Just wondering how close most of your rifles are when you remove the scope but leave it in the rings of course and put it back on. I'm not trying to get into a discussion about QR vs regular rings or badger vs NF or whatever but just curious as to how close your rifle is when the scope is taken off and put back on in its respective spot on the base. I'm talking quality steel rings and steel base but not QR. I'd be interested in knowing how close the QR are when put back on too. Thanks
Scope removal and resight
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I assume you are talking about two individual rings that you are removing and leaving the base on the rifle as there are also mounts such as the AADland mount designed mostly for ARs that is not a Quick Release mount but is a single piece and therefore more likely to be repeatable. That being said I think the most imporant issue here is making sure you are remounting the scope in the exact same way you installed it the first time i.e. exact same torque values on the screws and in the exact same position on the base etc. If you do that and all your equipment is of high quality you should see a minimal shift in zero.
I assume you are talking about two individual rings that you are removing and leaving the base on the rifle as there are also mounts such as the AADland mount designed mostly for ARs that is not a Quick Release mount but is a single piece and therefore more likely to be repeatable. That being said I think the most imporant issue here is making sure you are remounting the scope in the exact same way you installed it the first time i.e. exact same torque values on the screws and in the exact same position on the base etc. If you do that and all your equipment is of high quality you should see a minimal shift in zero.
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Ok thanks and sorry I wasn't clear I'm talking about a one piece steel base on a SA 700 and 2 steel heavy duty rings piccatinny/weaver style. I won't mention brands bc I have several and want input from diff stuff others have used. For example I want to here: I have a 700 LTR with a NF base and rings and when remounted I'm usually within 1 moa or whatever the case may be. You know what I'm saying. I understand the importance of consistency and torque but its just hard to have confidence that your going to hit the same spot when you put them back together when you're holding one in each hand. I'll never believe it will be exact but like I said just curious as to how close other rifles are.
Ok thanks and sorry I wasn't clear I'm talking about a one piece steel base on a SA 700 and 2 steel heavy duty rings piccatinny/weaver style. I won't mention brands bc I have several and want input from diff stuff others have used. For example I want to here: I have a 700 LTR with a NF base and rings and when remounted I'm usually within 1 moa or whatever the case may be. You know what I'm saying. I understand the importance of consistency and torque but its just hard to have confidence that your going to hit the same spot when you put them back together when you're holding one in each hand. I'll never believe it will be exact but like I said just curious as to how close other rifles are.
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If you're leaving the scope in the rings and just removing it from the base, it should be very close when you remount it.
If you're leaving the scope in the rings and just removing it from the base, it should be very close when you remount it.
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I know you mentioned not wanting info on QR rings but just to add a bit of info. I was using the Leupold QRW rings on my long range pistols because we were using a VGM mount and you set it using a dial indicator and the scope has to come off so the indicator will fit into a hole on the mount. We'd take that scope off and make fine adjustments numerous times at each session to get it just right. Even at the extended targets (900 and 1000 yards) that thing would be exactly on. We were very careful on the tightening of the levers on the rings to have them exactly in the same position which would be the same as torquing them the same on regular rings. We also had to make sure to slide the scope into the same position in the mount slots each time but with a high end mount and rings they almost snap into place when put together.
I wouldn't be afraid to take it off in the middle of a match and put it back on and be comfortable knowing the next shot would still be a hit. Doing everything the same each time should eliminate an error but better equipment will help keep everything where it belongs.
Topstrap
I know you mentioned not wanting info on QR rings but just to add a bit of info. I was using the Leupold QRW rings on my long range pistols because we were using a VGM mount and you set it using a dial indicator and the scope has to come off so the indicator will fit into a hole on the mount. We'd take that scope off and make fine adjustments numerous times at each session to get it just right. Even at the extended targets (900 and 1000 yards) that thing would be exactly on. We were very careful on the tightening of the levers on the rings to have them exactly in the same position which would be the same as torquing them the same on regular rings. We also had to make sure to slide the scope into the same position in the mount slots each time but with a high end mount and rings they almost snap into place when put together.
I wouldn't be afraid to take it off in the middle of a match and put it back on and be comfortable knowing the next shot would still be a hit. Doing everything the same each time should eliminate an error but better equipment will help keep everything where it belongs.
Topstrap
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That is some long range pistol shooting. I have savage strikers in 308 and 300wsm I've shot to 500 but I'm just using a 2-7 burris and 2.5-8 leupold.
That is some long range pistol shooting. I have savage strikers in 308 and 300wsm I've shot to 500 but I'm just using a 2-7 burris and 2.5-8 leupold.
Re: Scope removal and resight
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: predmaster223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree but wondering just how close. </div></div>
It's not that cut and dry. Depending on the quality of the optics and rings, it could be 3 feet off or .3" off. It has to be remounted in the same picatinny slot to the same torque specs to mitigate misalignment. Quality rings and quality optics will yield a very small poi shift, and like Topstrap said, it should't prevent you from hitting your next target but there's far too many variables to give you an exact number. Just know that it's close enough.
To take it a step further, a quality scope should hold zero even if it's removed from the rings and reinstalled using the methods described above. Reference this video. It illustrates how much hassle a good optic can save you and how reliable they can be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ewpwPTA6Q
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: predmaster223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree but wondering just how close. </div></div>
It's not that cut and dry. Depending on the quality of the optics and rings, it could be 3 feet off or .3" off. It has to be remounted in the same picatinny slot to the same torque specs to mitigate misalignment. Quality rings and quality optics will yield a very small poi shift, and like Topstrap said, it should't prevent you from hitting your next target but there's far too many variables to give you an exact number. Just know that it's close enough.
To take it a step further, a quality scope should hold zero even if it's removed from the rings and reinstalled using the methods described above. Reference this video. It illustrates how much hassle a good optic can save you and how reliable they can be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ewpwPTA6Q
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coldbore and follow up after removal and reinstall/torque schmidt pmii 5-25 badger usmc atop surgeon/surgeon 300wm
coldbore and follow up after removal and reinstall/torque schmidt pmii 5-25 badger usmc atop surgeon/surgeon 300wm
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have a clone sa scalpel with a diff make of optic ring , "still solid kit" i think i had .3mil of adjustment if i recall correctly, so your gonna be close with quality components
have a clone sa scalpel with a diff make of optic ring , "still solid kit" i think i had .3mil of adjustment if i recall correctly, so your gonna be close with quality components
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: predmaster223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just wondering how close most of your rifles are when you remove the scope but leave it in the rings of course and put it back on. </div></div>
Talley rings, CSS pinned Pic base, Vortex PST 4-16x50...rezeroes better than I can hold=no zero shift.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: predmaster223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just wondering how close most of your rifles are when you remove the scope but leave it in the rings of course and put it back on. </div></div>
Talley rings, CSS pinned Pic base, Vortex PST 4-16x50...rezeroes better than I can hold=no zero shift.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">w/ quality rings and bases, and proper torque.... very close </div></div>
I agree. I can usually re-zero in a couple of clicks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">w/ quality rings and bases, and proper torque.... very close </div></div>
I agree. I can usually re-zero in a couple of clicks.
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Man I wish I would have seen this post before I went to the gun show lat week. I found an awesome soft case that turned into a shooting mat but my sass wouldn't fit with the scope. Now I need to see if I can find the g online.
Man I wish I would have seen this post before I went to the gun show lat week. I found an awesome soft case that turned into a shooting mat but my sass wouldn't fit with the scope. Now I need to see if I can find the g online.
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