Maggie’s Screw it, get the hacksaw...

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Mods feel free to move if this isn't in the appropriate section. I think there was a shotgun section years back but wasn't able to find it before posting...

Anyhooo...

So I bought this absurd 10 gauge sxs shotgun that is in great shape, especially for an old gun. Only issue is it (was) extremely long, like the damn thing was 4-5' long total.

I don't hunt geese, and already have turkey guns, so what else is there to do besides cut this bad boy down?

This first pic is the original barrel length...


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This next pic is the portion of barrel that was cut off, next to the new muzzle after being filed, crowned (lol), and cold-blued. There was a gap between the two barrels as seen in the unfinished section of barrel. To fill this in, I stuffed the void with steel wool, then poured molten solder into the gap. When it hardened, I filed it smooth to get a somewhat finished look.

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Here's the finished length at 18.5" (1/2" relief left just to be safe, or in case I messed something up on the first cut)

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Next step is a quad rail with a mounted light and laser. Yes the gun is a novelty, but a damn cool one. I am not sure how well the light and laser will do with the recoil factor, but it's going to be a sweet little rig. I think I might get more enjoyment watching other people shoot it!
 
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MtnCreek said:
Some folks post shotguns in sidearms section.

That's got to be brutal. Have you shot it?
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I sent one through each tube as a right of passage... Not sure I'll do it again unless absolutely necessary, it has some kick. It was 2 1/4oz turkey loads, the spread was about 18" at 15 yards, so still relatively tight considering what it is.
 
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MtnCreek said:
Some folks post shotguns in sidearms section.

That's got to be brutal. Have you shot it?
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This^^^ Lol
Going to be a hand full that light and that short.
My bud has some 10ga slugs if you want to give them a try.
Back when a high school buddy's Dad had a 10ga Ithaca single shot, after a couple shots we were done.

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My brother once bought just an old barreled action for a black powder 10 gauge at auction for $5. After he stocked it and cleaned it all up, we took it out to shoot. I don't know what made him do it, but he put a heavy proof load in it and touched it off while standing. He was all set for heavy recoil, but that damn thing still blew him backwards and knocked his hat and glasses off. My other brother and I about fell down laughing. Then we declined to take a turn at it, because, while we loved to shoot most anything, there's such a thing as sensible.

Oh yeah. Nice coach gun you got there. Personally, I'd leave the light and laser off of it, but each to their own. (y)
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
Interesting project.
But personally I think it's a bit of a shame to cut down a shotgun like that.
The 10 gauge guns aren't really well suited to being cut down handy "social work" blasters, they are best kept when you need to "Put something special in them for the rabbits".
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I'm thinking a 10ga slug against a "stack/hallway" of hommes.

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W54/XM-388 said:
Interesting project.
But personally I think it's a bit of a shame to cut down a shotgun like that.
The 10 gauge guns aren't really well suited to being cut down handy "social work" blasters, they are best kept when you need to "Put something special in them for the rabbits".
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I mulled it over for some time, and if I didn't have some other single shots, and semi's, I probably would've left it. But, being that it is a 10gauge, I couldn't help but see it any other way than a super badass novelty gun. I had seen plenty of sawn-off 12's, but what makes it really cool, to me at least, is that it's a sawn-off 10.

Believe it or not, my H&R Turkey Pardner, with extra full choke and 3.5" chamber, and some fiocchi 2 3/8 oz #4 turkey loads, kicks significantly more than this one. Which is exactly why, most of the time if shotgun work is needed, the 1100 is used!
 
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Rthur said:
I'm thinking a 10ga slug against a "stack/hallway" of hommes.

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That is where something like a rifle in .458 Winchester Magnum or some other similar safari rifle would come in handy.
They tend to have "issues" sometimes if too close, you know taking out one cape buffalo and killing some animal on the other side as well.
 
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It's a shame IMHO that ya cut that down. It had a chimney for a reason. To reach out there with a tighter pattern. My father bought a single shot 10 Gauge for his Duck Club due to Geese flying so damn high above out in the Sacramento Delta, end of eight mile road. Dad had a wooden leg and we'd have to lift the engine on the john boat to pull ourselves into our floating blinds. You'd stand up in the boat to shoot. He bought that 10 gauge as a joke and never told anybody about it. He just wanted to bust a Goose and show the boys in the other blinds they 'could' be reached, then show'm the "Smoke Stack" as he called it. Bigger n shit here comes some high flyers while we're out there. Dad stands up (always wobbly) and as they pass overhead he lets one fly at them. Dad damn near busts his ass rolling backwards tipping the boat and blind a bit then we see feathers and this gawd damn Goose on it's way down. Son of a bitch sounded like incoming. It was a great Coot killer as well. Rafts of those bastards out there swimming around the peat moss that the dredges brought up. One BOOM into the bunch and all you'd see was little green legs kicking up in the air. Gizzards, lot's of gizzards.
 
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I remember years ago Ithaca came out with a 10ga autoloader I think it was some goofy name like "Roadblocker" or something like that. Anyway, my buddies at the LGS and range where I hung out get one in and one of them Marty who couldn't hit himself in the ass with either hand, buys it thinking it will makeup for his poor shooting the next time they go duck hunting.

When I next caught up with them after the hunt they were still laughing at poor Marty the guy who shot it. They had hard time telling the story and as one of them would get hysterical one of the others would step in and try to finish it before becoming overwhelmed with laughter. Like you they were in a blind on a boat and they let Marty try his new "duck gun" first. I guess Marty jumped up and fired almost straight up and kept shooting until I think they said all 3 rounds discharged. They were really impressed until they realized poor old Marty only meant to shoot once. He said it would bounce and fire again and He couldn't stop shooting. He was beat to a pulp. Then they pointed to the gun on the used rack for sale.
 
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My son still has my first sxs I paid 75$ for it brand new.
Wish my dad had told me not to put 2 fingers on the triggers for a faster second shot.
On my ass with hipwaders full of cold mud and water, only did it the one time and still remember.
I don't sugest you try it with a 10 Ga., not even the one time.
 
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I hope that was not a 'nice' shotgun....

I have a Mag 10 Roadblocker. Great gun from the '80s. Puts a ton of buckshot downrange with every shot.

But 10-gauge doubles are rare... interesting and were very special-purpose. If it's a Baikal... no harm done. Sure hope it's not anything nice.

That said.. your gun.

My 8-gauge (thanks @buffalowinter ) is one hell of a cannon. Love it! Makes a 10 gauge look like a .410 birder.

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
I hope that was not a 'nice' shotgun....

I have a Mag 10 Roadblocker. Great gun from the '80s. Puts a ton of buckshot downrange with every shot.

But 10-gauge doubles are rare... interesting and were very special-purpose. If it's a Baikal... no harm done. Sure hope it's not anything nice.

That said.. your gun.

My 8-gauge (thanks @buffalowinter ) is one hell of a cannon. Love it! Makes a 10 gauge look like a .410 birder.

Cheers,

Sirhr
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I shot my dad’s 8 gauge once (just once) and the only thing that I ever fired that kicked worse was a 1903 Springfield converted by the USCG into a line throwing gun. Launching a 15 ounce projectile 1000+ yards generates a wee bit of recoil.
 
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Totally agree with Sirhr. If its not a true vintage gun, no harm done, but it's a terrible thing to do to a fine shotgun. However, do be aware that most vintage 10 ga. doubles are NOT 3-1/2" chambers like modern 10 ga. guns. Standard chamber length for a vintage 10 ga. was 2-7/8". Shooting 3-1/2" shells in them would be very dangerous. Back then, they didn't mark gauge or chamber length on the barrels. If yours is properly marked, then it is a newer gun anyway.
 
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Ya'll have commented on 'novelty'. I remember when the talk was loading up dimes instead of shot, for 'home defence'. With that thing, a person could use quarters, pretty-near!

Remember, I said "NOVELTY".

As an aside, I have my Great Uncle's old Parker Side-By-Each. Many many years ago, it belonged to the Mayor of Vancouver, whom gave it to him. Still has the crest 'badge' on the grip, but it's worn smooth. Then one time my Great Uncle's step-son got ahold of it, and a box of bird-shot shells, (newer) so it's not as tight as day one.

That snapperheaded idiot should never have gotten his hands on it. So yeah, I agree with the "don't destroy the old". At the same time though, you own it and none of us do. Each their own, I guess.
 
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Sean the Nailer said:
He'd fired a few rounds of "smokeless powder" shotshells out of a Damascus barrel designed for blackpowder.
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Ok, but what did it actually do to the gun? Parker (or LC Smith, or AH Fox, or Lefever, etc) damascus barrels were of extremely high quality, and not the cheap hardware store-quality stuff out of Belgium at the time like you would have gotten from Sears, etc. Most of those high-end makers damascus and twist barrels would proof just as high as the fluid steel barrel guns by the same makers.

I'm just curious what damage was done.
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
I hope that was not a 'nice' shotgun....

I have a Mag 10 Roadblocker. Great gun from the '80s. Puts a ton of buckshot downrange with every shot.

But 10-gauge doubles are rare... interesting and were very special-purpose. If it's a Baikal... no harm done. Sure hope it's not anything nice.

That said.. your gun.

My 8-gauge (thanks @buffalowinter ) is one hell of a cannon. Love it! Makes a 10 gauge look like a .410 birder.

Cheers

Sirhr
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I’d love to see pics of this gun!
 
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Dirty D said:
I shot my dad’s 8 gauge once (just once) and the only thing that I ever fired that kicked worse was a 1903 Springfield converted by the USCG into a line throwing gun. Launching a 15 ounce projectile 1000+ yards generates a wee bit of recoil.
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That was a blast watching the Deck Apes setup for a VERTREP. Always wanted to shoot the line over. Watching that ball of line bounce around the deck was pretty cool.


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I thought only the aviators referred to them as deck apes (and always thought it a bit disrespectful, seeing as how it is they that will be risking their lives to pull you out of a flaming cockpit when you pancake it into the fantail. But...you were a "deck ape" as I recall? So not so disrespectful after all?
 
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vh20 said:
I thought only the aviators referred to them as deck apes (and always thought it a bit disrespectful, seeing as how it is they that will be risking their lives to pull you out of a flaming cockpit when you pancake it into the fantail. But...you were a "deck ape" as I recall? So not so disrespectful after all?
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I was a deck ape (all 5'1 3/4" of me) before I switched to engineering and it was intended as a derogatory term for us but we began referring to ourselves as deck apes as a verbal middle finger to the ops types that looked down on us.

A couple of things to note from the pic on the deck of the Katmai Bay above, that is a 30-06 case full to the crimp of powder pushing that 15 ounce (not grain but ounce) projectile, the front and rear sights have been removed to keep them from removing the shooters right cheek, lastly the shooters left hand is required to go over the top of the rifle when firing to help control the upward swing of that bastardized '03 (not a light rifle). The shooter is required to lean into the shot like that and I have seen 200 pound guys pull the trigger that far into a lean and end up standing straight up post recoil. Our gunners mate put one of those 15 ounce projectiles THROUGH the wheelhouse of a fishing trawler while trying to pass them a tow line in 90mph winds, the projectile missed the fishing trawler captain by about a foot.
 
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vh20 said:
I thought only the aviators referred to them as deck apes (and always thought it a bit disrespectful, seeing as how it is they that will be risking their lives to pull you out of a flaming cockpit when you pancake it into the fantail. But...you were a "deck ape" as I recall? So not so disrespectful after all?
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I was an undesignated Airdale when I first joined, so I was a Brown Shoe that crossed over to a Black Shoe after my first year. Went from AN to SN. I worked discipline (go figure) for 8 outta my 10 yrs. My rate was PN. A PN that didn't work in his rate very much. Snipes, Deck Apes, BB Stackers, yada yada yada. I hung with'm all and you know how it is. We are entitled to give each other shit within our respective service as all services do. Just like we can talk shit about our 'Boat', but someone else talks shit about our boat? Then the trouble starts, right.
 
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Dirty D said:
I was a deck ape (all 5'1 3/4" of me) before I switched to engineering and it was intended as a derogatory term for us but we began referring to ourselves as deck apes as a verbal middle finger to the ops types that looked down on us.

A couple of things to note from the pic on the deck of the Katmai Bay above, that is a 30-06 case full to the crimp of powder pushing that 15 ounce (not grain but ounce) projectile, the front and rear sights have been removed to keep them from removing the shooters right cheek, lastly the shooters left hand is required to go over the top of the rifle when firing to help control the upward swing of that bastardized '03 (not a light rifle). The shooter is required to lean into the shot like that and I have seen 200 pound guys pull the trigger that far into a lean and end up standing straight up post recoil. Our gunners mate put one of those 15 ounce projectiles THROUGH the wheelhouse of a fishing trawler while trying to pass them a tow line in 90mph winds, the projectile missed the fishing trawler captain by about a foot.
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Good story Shark. Hey, I found a pic of ya on the world wide web when you were a wet behind the gills li'l deck chimp. :love:





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1J04 said:
That was a blast watching the Deck Apes setup for a VERTREP. Always wanted to shoot the line over. Watching that ball of line bounce around the deck was pretty cool.


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Oh 1J... that little thing is so cute! Here's how they used to do it in the fleet!

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^^^ After restoration at the Schloss Nitrocellulose workshops....

Before Restoration...

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Now, what were you saying about recoil pads?

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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I bought one about a yr ago... off gunbroker..planning to chop it down also but when it arrived it was a little to nice and I couldn’t or haven’t yet chopped her down.. it sets in the corner for a conversation peice
 
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