Self-Timing Brake Question

[Centuriator]

I have two brakes, one from 419, their Hellfire. I put it on the 20" LMT .308 barrel in my MWS, the other brake I bought was a "little bastard" that I put on the 16" barrel. Following the manufacturers' instructions, the 419 came loose immediately and kept coming loose. The Little Bastard seems to be holding better.

But, regardless, I decided to ditch the 419 and go with the full sized Bastard brake on the 20" barrel and intend to use Rockset to make sure it does not move.

Do you guys Rockset your self-timing brakes?

I learned very quickly that a loose brake equates to a totally screwed up POA/POI situation.

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

I use a dab of rockset on anything I dont plan on taking on and off all the time.

Area 419 I rockset the piece that goes on the barrel and use a dab of locTite on the brake collar. Havent had mine come loose ever.

Prep work is key, properly degrease BOTH parts threads with a degreaser that doesnt leave behind a residue.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

The adapter on the 419 may unthread if you don't use red locktite (which is what the instructions call for, if I remember right), but after doing that with the adapter, I have never had the brake come loose on mine.

 

[b6graham]

strap wrench. always.

i've seen every brand of self timing work loose

 

[Olen_4504]

I must be a lucky one. never had my area come 419 loose. no loctite, no tools. just thread the adapter on - torque it down. put the muzzle device on, tighten the collar down hand tight, give it a nice tap, tighten up the collar the rest of the way by hand. never come loose. in fact when i've removed it to swap barrels or clean i've had to use tools to get the collar to break free.

 

[SD Carpenter]

My PVA I keep snug as hand tight, hasn't popped off yet.... Fingers crossed lol

 

[One1Bravo]

I must be a lucky one. never had my area come 419 loose. no loctite, no tools. just thread the adapter on - torque it down. put the muzzle device on, tighten the collar down hand tight, give it a nice tap, tighten up the collar the rest of the way by hand. never come loose. in fact when i've removed it to swap barrels or clean i've had to use tools to get the collar to break free.

Same here. I have them on a few rifles and none of them have loosened at all.

 

[Steel head]

My heathen and MBM beast never come loose.

I have a area 419 sidewinder for my next barrel.
I’ll follow the directions and I’m confident it won’t be an issue.

 

[LawnMM]

I rocksett the 419 adapter, the brake just using the collar, never had it come loose and have the same system on 3 rifles.

Have the suppressor adapter for my can, slowly moving all my rifles to their setup.

 

[ForgeValley]

I learned very quickly that a loose brake equates to a totally screwed up POA/POI situation.

Yep, I was halfway through a class once and my shooting went to shit, checked everything I could think of and finally got to the brake. I check them obsessively after that.

 

[Nik H]

I have two brakes, one from 419, their Hellfire. I put it on the 20" LMT .308 barrel in my MWS, the other brake I bought was a "little bastard" that I put on the 16" barrel. Following the manufacturers' instructions, the 419 came loose immediately and kept coming loose. The Little Bastard seems to be holding better.

But, regardless, I decided to ditch the 419 and go with the full sized Bastard brake on the 20" barrel and intend to use Rockset to make sure it does not move.

Do you guys Rockset your self-timing brakes?

I learned very quickly that a loose brake equates to a totally screwed up POA/POI situation.

Never had that problem with my 419 Hellfire. I love it. I have never used Rockset for a brake. Did you call 419 and ask the what is going on? They are pretty responsive

 

[SingleShot85]

my little and micro bastard have not come loose either, both hand tighten both stay on. I had to use a wrench to get my micro bastard off a few times.......

 

[Pvt.Donut]

Never used anything on my Hellfire and never had an issue. Here are the steps once I tighten down the adapter:

Screw on the brake until it starts to engage the taper. Once aligned I use my palm to set the brake against the taper. This alone typically locks the brake in place. Then I tighten down the locking ring tight using my hand. After I fire I couple shots I re-tighten but it usually doesn't budge.

Using this method it's damn near impossible to remove the break without some tools. It locks on solid as hell. Area 419 also has a YouTube video showing installation. I'd say if your not getting it seated onto the taper it will probably loosen up. Try it again.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

^^^^^^^^ This is what I do as well and have never had it come loose on my Hellfire. Need a strap wrench to get it off.

VooDoo

 

[Stoweit]

^^^^^^^ Same way I did it, mine has never come loose.

 

[Centuriator]

Thanks for the input/feedback.

 

[JFR]

Believe it or not, a drop of oil on clean threads helps keep anything threaded, tight. If that fails then Loctite.

JFR

 

[XLR308]

I have the 419 Hellfire on my 6.5x47 and haven't noticed any real issues other than the first time I removed it.
I might have ham fisted it on there a little tighter than what's needed since it was a bit of a chore to get it to release.

 

[km77]

I've never had any issues with my Area419 hellfire either. It has held up well and never loosened on me.

 

[Praeger]

I have two brakes, one from 419, their Hellfire. I put it on the 20" LMT .308 barrel in my MWS, the other brake I bought was a "little bastard" that I put on the 16" barrel. Following the manufacturers' instructions, the 419 came loose immediately and kept coming loose. The Little Bastard seems to be holding better.

But, regardless, I decided to ditch the 419 and go with the full sized Bastard brake on the 20" barrel and intend to use Rockset to make sure it does not move.

Do you guys Rockset your self-timing brakes?

I learned very quickly that a loose brake equates to a totally screwed up POA/POI situation.

Remember, not all muzzle threading work is the same. Like any other threading job, they can be cut tight or loose depending on the lathe/CNC operator.

If your Hellfire is coming loose on the locking ring side, try giving the brake a firm tap with a wood mallet to seat the mating cone point of contact before tightening the locking ring the final twist.

I'd never Rockset a muzzle brake, makes cleaning the muzzle crown a major task.

 

[Cerwinski]

The adapter on the 419 may unthread if you don't use red locktite (which is what the instructions call for, if I remember right), but after doing that with the adapter, I have never had the brake come loose on mine.

I thought it was blue loctite? In any event mine has never come loose with just a tiny dab of it.

 

[Steel head]

I thought it was blue loctite? In any event mine has never come loose with just a tiny dab of it.

It does say blue locktite.

 

[bschneiderheinze]

Have three 419’s and never had them come loose usually there a little hard to get off