Well my lady was at the court house for jury duty. She is highly allergic to perfume. Bad combonation. When she had just got into the court room good she notice a older lady seated in front of her and her perfume. She started sneezing and her chested being tightening. She made her way out of the court room and to the first seat in the hall way. She started trying to get her epipen out. By this time a few people are around her but don't know what to do. They do get someone to call 911. It took the ambulance almost 30mins to get there (to the court house). And there are Sheriffs there also. There were actual 2 or 3 around her at the time. None know how to use the epipen. Lucky a older former nurse showed up and administrate it because by this time my lady is shacking from lack of oxygen. The older lady saved my fiance's life. Come on Sheriff's Department don't train this but it isn't rockett science either. So I called and talked to the training officer. As far as he knows they don't but he is a medic and thinks its crazy. REALLY All the cards were stacked against my women that day. Luckly she made it home alive.
Sheriffs = No First Aid?
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Thank God your wife is ok. That being said, she should train to self-administer the epipen. I mean that is why they're prescribed to individual people so that they inject themselves should the need arise.
Not sure how it is around your neck of the woods but in many LE agencies across the country the officers/deputies/troopers etc have very little if ANY training in first aid. Some places still FORBID their officers from providing any first aid due to the fear of litigation should something go wrong.
Here in NY, all cops go through a very basic Certified First Responder-Defib (CFR-D) course which basically just amounts to CPR and defibrillator. The exception being Emergency Service cops who go through a complete EMT-B program.
Bottom line is you and your wife need to be prepared for the very real possibility that help isn't going to come right away and when they get there they may not know what to do (as sad as that sounds its reality). Get her squared away so that once she becomes symptomatic she acts right away.
Good luck.
Thank God your wife is ok. That being said, she should train to self-administer the epipen. I mean that is why they're prescribed to individual people so that they inject themselves should the need arise.
Not sure how it is around your neck of the woods but in many LE agencies across the country the officers/deputies/troopers etc have very little if ANY training in first aid. Some places still FORBID their officers from providing any first aid due to the fear of litigation should something go wrong.
Here in NY, all cops go through a very basic Certified First Responder-Defib (CFR-D) course which basically just amounts to CPR and defibrillator. The exception being Emergency Service cops who go through a complete EMT-B program.
Bottom line is you and your wife need to be prepared for the very real possibility that help isn't going to come right away and when they get there they may not know what to do (as sad as that sounds its reality). Get her squared away so that once she becomes symptomatic she acts right away.
Good luck.
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Glad she is Ok. As far as the officers that stood around, Im sure one of them called 911. Just because your wife had a epipen in her hand does nothing at all for on lookers to know that she needs it. If she was in such bad shape that she couldnt talk, what makes you think everyone knows her medical problems?
I gurantee you if one of those deputies stuck her with the epipen, and she died because it was not her intention to have it, you would have a lawyer by your side now.
So no, Deputies are NOT medics, and dont need to train on how to be one. LIABILITY LIABILITY LIABILITY..
Glad she is Ok. As far as the officers that stood around, Im sure one of them called 911. Just because your wife had a epipen in her hand does nothing at all for on lookers to know that she needs it. If she was in such bad shape that she couldnt talk, what makes you think everyone knows her medical problems?
I gurantee you if one of those deputies stuck her with the epipen, and she died because it was not her intention to have it, you would have a lawyer by your side now.
So no, Deputies are NOT medics, and dont need to train on how to be one. LIABILITY LIABILITY LIABILITY..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I gurantee you if one of those deputies stuck her with the epipen, and she died because it was not her intention to have it, you would have a lawyer by your side now.
So no, Deputies are NOT medics, and dont need to train on how to be one. LIABILITY LIABILITY LIABILITY.. </div></div>
Nah, I don't buy that for a second. I would be inclined to think any number of different laws/precedents (well at least the usual Good Samaritan law) would cover a cop or even a joe-blow by-stander who was trying to help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I gurantee you if one of those deputies stuck her with the epipen, and she died because it was not her intention to have it, you would have a lawyer by your side now.
So no, Deputies are NOT medics, and dont need to train on how to be one. LIABILITY LIABILITY LIABILITY.. </div></div>
Nah, I don't buy that for a second. I would be inclined to think any number of different laws/precedents (well at least the usual Good Samaritan law) would cover a cop or even a joe-blow by-stander who was trying to help.
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I think ALL le officers should have at the very least a basic course in First aid to be followed up each year with other courses. I hear it all the time " we have no money in the budget" i call BS on most of them who say it. Depts. buy all sort's of new stuff and the training budget gets whats left over and in most cases it's not much if anything. I am glad your wife is all right
I think ALL le officers should have at the very least a basic course in First aid to be followed up each year with other courses. I hear it all the time " we have no money in the budget" i call BS on most of them who say it. Depts. buy all sort's of new stuff and the training budget gets whats left over and in most cases it's not much if anything. I am glad your wife is all right
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Cops aren't EMT's, and some EMT's can't even administer that medication to her depending on their level of training...
She needs to learn how to use that epipen herself. It's easy, just stab in leg muscle and push.
Cops aren't EMT's, and some EMT's can't even administer that medication to her depending on their level of training...
She needs to learn how to use that epipen herself. It's easy, just stab in leg muscle and push.
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I've been in LE for 12 years and I've never had any training on the use of an epipen. If she was in the state you describe I wouldn't have any idea what was wrong with her or what to do about it other than trying to get an ambulance there as soon as possible.
I receive very basic first aid training annually but only because I'm on the SWAT team. CPR, the use of an Israeli bandage, CAT tourniquet and OPA is all we get.
I've been in LE for 12 years and I've never had any training on the use of an epipen. If she was in the state you describe I wouldn't have any idea what was wrong with her or what to do about it other than trying to get an ambulance there as soon as possible.
I receive very basic first aid training annually but only because I'm on the SWAT team. CPR, the use of an Israeli bandage, CAT tourniquet and OPA is all we get.
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Any Nationally Registered EMT-B (Basic, the lowest level) is trained and authorized to administer an Epi Pen to a patient that needs it. But, in the case of the EMT-B, it has to be the patients prescribed Epi Pen. They are trained to look for the prescription sticker on the device. Paramedics, and in some areas Intermediates, are the ones who would be authorized/trained to carry and administer Epinephrine to a patient in need. That being said, this is a fairly rare occurrence for a LE officer to encounter. Much sadder is that they don't receive even basic trauma care training. Every LE officer nationwide should be trained to control life threatening bleeding and open an airway pending the arrival of trained medical providers. Every soldier gets this training and, yet, police administrators focus on CPR because it is aggressively pushed by the American Heart Association. AHA, by the way, may sound like a government agency but they are really a "non-profit" private organization with very, very good marketing people. Kind of sad really because EMS/Fire is as likely to be first to a medical call as a LE officer. But in the event of a violent incident, like Tucson, EMS/Fire stands off and police are always the first on scene. As it turns out, Pima S.O. happens to give every Deputy trauma training and issue them real world trauma gear. Lucky for some of the people who got shot out there.
Any Nationally Registered EMT-B (Basic, the lowest level) is trained and authorized to administer an Epi Pen to a patient that needs it. But, in the case of the EMT-B, it has to be the patients prescribed Epi Pen. They are trained to look for the prescription sticker on the device. Paramedics, and in some areas Intermediates, are the ones who would be authorized/trained to carry and administer Epinephrine to a patient in need. That being said, this is a fairly rare occurrence for a LE officer to encounter. Much sadder is that they don't receive even basic trauma care training. Every LE officer nationwide should be trained to control life threatening bleeding and open an airway pending the arrival of trained medical providers. Every soldier gets this training and, yet, police administrators focus on CPR because it is aggressively pushed by the American Heart Association. AHA, by the way, may sound like a government agency but they are really a "non-profit" private organization with very, very good marketing people. Kind of sad really because EMS/Fire is as likely to be first to a medical call as a LE officer. But in the event of a violent incident, like Tucson, EMS/Fire stands off and police are always the first on scene. As it turns out, Pima S.O. happens to give every Deputy trauma training and issue them real world trauma gear. Lucky for some of the people who got shot out there.
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What amazes me here is that the OP seems to be placing the blame on the cops. Why were the medics delayed 30 mins?
More importantly how come your wife doesn't know how to use the medication that is prescribed to her?
What amazes me here is that the OP seems to be placing the blame on the cops. Why were the medics delayed 30 mins?
More importantly how come your wife doesn't know how to use the medication that is prescribed to her?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What amazes me here is that the OP seems to be placing the blame on the cops. Why were the medics delayed 30 mins?
More importantly how come your wife doesn't know how to use the medication that is prescribed to her?</div></div>
I think he's saying that she knew how to use it, but by the time she got it out of her purse and in hand that she was so out of it that she was unable to self administer.
Now if I had an allergy to something common that I could run into on a daily basis, then the bottom of a purse would not be where I'd carry it. I'd have that thing in a side pocket where it could be out and administered in less than 15 seconds.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What amazes me here is that the OP seems to be placing the blame on the cops. Why were the medics delayed 30 mins?
More importantly how come your wife doesn't know how to use the medication that is prescribed to her?</div></div>
I think he's saying that she knew how to use it, but by the time she got it out of her purse and in hand that she was so out of it that she was unable to self administer.
Now if I had an allergy to something common that I could run into on a daily basis, then the bottom of a purse would not be where I'd carry it. I'd have that thing in a side pocket where it could be out and administered in less than 15 seconds.
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Throw a few benadryls in her purse, glove box, under the sink, her desk, etc. I am pretty sure she could take 2 tabs and wash it down with water.
One of my first dates with my wife more than 10 yrs ago ended up in the ER b/c she was served a peanut butter ice cream cake in the dark and took a bite with out asking what kind it was.
That is how I found out she had a nut allergy. OK, I got it. I have a shit ton of benadryl - every where.
Good luck
Throw a few benadryls in her purse, glove box, under the sink, her desk, etc. I am pretty sure she could take 2 tabs and wash it down with water.
One of my first dates with my wife more than 10 yrs ago ended up in the ER b/c she was served a peanut butter ice cream cake in the dark and took a bite with out asking what kind it was.
That is how I found out she had a nut allergy. OK, I got it. I have a shit ton of benadryl - every where.
Good luck
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Bingo. People tend to be hesitant to stick themselves the first time but one close call fixes that. Assuming they make it to their second chance. I have a bee sting allergy and I am sticking myself before the bee even has a chance to fly away. BTW, for future reference, the Epi doesn't kick in right away. So early administration is a good thing.
Bingo. People tend to be hesitant to stick themselves the first time but one close call fixes that. Assuming they make it to their second chance. I have a bee sting allergy and I am sticking myself before the bee even has a chance to fly away. BTW, for future reference, the Epi doesn't kick in right away. So early administration is a good thing.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">EMTs should have basic LE training.</div></div>
WIN!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">EMTs should have basic LE training.</div></div>
WIN!
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I have first aid training, and a little bit of trauma training, that was given to me by fellow officer that was a Navy Corpsman. That being said, to the guy who said he could think of all kind of protections for good samaritains and LEO trying to help. That looks good on paper but rarely does it apply in the real world. I can say that I would NOT stick a stranger with a needle under any circumstances. The trauma stuff I carry in my bail out bag is for me or another officer, not the public. Liability is a bitch. First aid is something I might perform on a kid, less chance of blood borne pathogens, but not on an adult I don't know.
Just my opinion,
Patrick
I have first aid training, and a little bit of trauma training, that was given to me by fellow officer that was a Navy Corpsman. That being said, to the guy who said he could think of all kind of protections for good samaritains and LEO trying to help. That looks good on paper but rarely does it apply in the real world. I can say that I would NOT stick a stranger with a needle under any circumstances. The trauma stuff I carry in my bail out bag is for me or another officer, not the public. Liability is a bitch. First aid is something I might perform on a kid, less chance of blood borne pathogens, but not on an adult I don't know.
Just my opinion,
Patrick
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DODGE268</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have first aid training, and a little bit of trauma training, that was given to me by fellow officer that was a Navy Corpsman. That being said, to the guy who said he could think of all kind of protections for good samaritains and LEO trying to help. That looks good on paper but rarely does it apply in the real world. I can say that I would NOT stick a stranger with a needle under any circumstances. The trauma stuff I carry in my bail out bag is for me or another officer, not the public. Liability is a bitch. First aid is something I might perform on a kid, less chance of blood borne pathogens, but not on an adult I don't know.
Just my opinion,
Patrick </div></div>
To the op I am glad your wife is ok.
Interesting statement. It is sad in today's world all public employee's have to worry so much about lawsuits.
Law enforcement's job is to protect the public. If a person is injured you would just stand there instead of helping them? I would think LE would get in trouble for that. You would not be happy if you were injured and everyone just stood around and did nothing.
I will help anyone at anytime if I can. I will worry about the lawsuit later.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DODGE268</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have first aid training, and a little bit of trauma training, that was given to me by fellow officer that was a Navy Corpsman. That being said, to the guy who said he could think of all kind of protections for good samaritains and LEO trying to help. That looks good on paper but rarely does it apply in the real world. I can say that I would NOT stick a stranger with a needle under any circumstances. The trauma stuff I carry in my bail out bag is for me or another officer, not the public. Liability is a bitch. First aid is something I might perform on a kid, less chance of blood borne pathogens, but not on an adult I don't know.
Just my opinion,
Patrick </div></div>
To the op I am glad your wife is ok.
Interesting statement. It is sad in today's world all public employee's have to worry so much about lawsuits.
Law enforcement's job is to protect the public. If a person is injured you would just stand there instead of helping them? I would think LE would get in trouble for that. You would not be happy if you were injured and everyone just stood around and did nothing.
I will help anyone at anytime if I can. I will worry about the lawsuit later.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JB Gleason</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But, in the case of the EMT-B, it has to be the patients prescribed Epi Pen. </div></div>
Not always. We are trained and carry epi pens on all our rigs and we are EMT-Bs.
Gill glad she is ok but definitely get her trained to self administer. Like JRose said it's not hard.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JB Gleason</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But, in the case of the EMT-B, it has to be the patients prescribed Epi Pen. </div></div>
Not always. We are trained and carry epi pens on all our rigs and we are EMT-Bs.
Gill glad she is ok but definitely get her trained to self administer. Like JRose said it's not hard.
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My wife is allergic to turkey. Don't know how she can stay around me!! Anyways we always have children's liquid Benadryl in every car, in her purse, at her work, my work, and all over the house. At the first sign BAM! she chugs some down.
My wife is allergic to turkey. Don't know how she can stay around me!! Anyways we always have children's liquid Benadryl in every car, in her purse, at her work, my work, and all over the house. At the first sign BAM! she chugs some down.
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Several of my Texas Highway Patrol Trooper friends have always told me rule number 1 when responding to a car wreck or medical emergency was, make sure the ambulance beats you to the scene. They don't want to deal with the medical situation or trauma. They have first aid training but don't want to have to administer it.
Several of my Texas Highway Patrol Trooper friends have always told me rule number 1 when responding to a car wreck or medical emergency was, make sure the ambulance beats you to the scene. They don't want to deal with the medical situation or trauma. They have first aid training but don't want to have to administer it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What amazes me here is that the OP seems to be placing the blame on the cops. Why were the medics delayed 30 mins?
More importantly how come your wife doesn't know how to use the medication that is prescribed to her?</div></div>
I think he's saying that she knew how to use it, but by the time she got it out of her purse and in hand that she was so out of it that she was unable to self administer.
Now if I had an allergy to something common that I could run into on a daily basis, then the bottom of a purse would not be where I'd carry it. I'd have that thing in a side pocket where it could be out and administered in less than 15 seconds. </div></div>
I am just guessing but if the county courthouse is in a rural enough area that it takes 30 minutes for ems to respond, then I am sure there is tons of LE training the deputies need before they get emt certified.
and +10 on care and placement of the Epi Pen....I've had several patients who had no clue where their pen was or how to self administer but they never failed to repeat what they were allergic to every 2 minutes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What amazes me here is that the OP seems to be placing the blame on the cops. Why were the medics delayed 30 mins?
More importantly how come your wife doesn't know how to use the medication that is prescribed to her?</div></div>
I think he's saying that she knew how to use it, but by the time she got it out of her purse and in hand that she was so out of it that she was unable to self administer.
Now if I had an allergy to something common that I could run into on a daily basis, then the bottom of a purse would not be where I'd carry it. I'd have that thing in a side pocket where it could be out and administered in less than 15 seconds. </div></div>
I am just guessing but if the county courthouse is in a rural enough area that it takes 30 minutes for ems to respond, then I am sure there is tons of LE training the deputies need before they get emt certified.
and +10 on care and placement of the Epi Pen....I've had several patients who had no clue where their pen was or how to self administer but they never failed to repeat what they were allergic to every 2 minutes.
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Ok wife does and have used here epipen herself. But with trying to calm down and shacking. She said she would had eventually been able to apply it. But that is easier said then done at the time. I got to call the Sheriff training officer back. He left me a message. Wonder what he is going to say.
The court house is down town. Maybe 5mins from the central fire department.
I just espect more out of a Sheriff Deputy, I guess or at least the ones around that day. Personally I live by the saying "Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6". If someone is going to take everything I have worked hard for trying to help them so be it. I'll be able to sleep at night.
Ok wife does and have used here epipen herself. But with trying to calm down and shacking. She said she would had eventually been able to apply it. But that is easier said then done at the time. I got to call the Sheriff training officer back. He left me a message. Wonder what he is going to say.
The court house is down town. Maybe 5mins from the central fire department.
I just espect more out of a Sheriff Deputy, I guess or at least the ones around that day. Personally I live by the saying "Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6". If someone is going to take everything I have worked hard for trying to help them so be it. I'll be able to sleep at night.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GillJr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok wife does and have used here epipen herself. But with trying to calm down and shacking. She said she would had eventually been able to apply it. But that is easier said then done at the time. I got to call the Sheriff training officer back. He left me a message. Wonder what he is going to say.
The court house is down town. Maybe 5mins from the central fire department.
I just espect more out of a Sheriff Deputy, I guess or at least the ones around that day. Personally <span style="color: #FF0000">I live by the saying "Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6". If someone is going to take everything I have worked hard for trying to help them so be it. I'll be able to sleep at night.</span> </div></div>
Nevermind!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GillJr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok wife does and have used here epipen herself. But with trying to calm down and shacking. She said she would had eventually been able to apply it. But that is easier said then done at the time. I got to call the Sheriff training officer back. He left me a message. Wonder what he is going to say.
The court house is down town. Maybe 5mins from the central fire department.
I just espect more out of a Sheriff Deputy, I guess or at least the ones around that day. Personally <span style="color: #FF0000">I live by the saying "Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6". If someone is going to take everything I have worked hard for trying to help them so be it. I'll be able to sleep at night.</span> </div></div>
Nevermind!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GillJr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok wife does and have used here epipen herself. But with trying to calm down and shacking. She said she would had eventually been able to apply it. But that is easier said then done at the time. I got to call the Sheriff training officer back. He left me a message. Wonder what he is going to say.
The court house is down town. Maybe 5mins from the central fire department.
I just espect more out of a Sheriff Deputy, I guess or at least the ones around that day. Personally I live by the saying "Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6". If someone is going to take everything I have worked hard for trying to help them so be it. I'll be able to sleep at night. </div></div>
BS.
I expect more from an adult that is prescribed a medication that must be self administered. She should be at the top of the list of people that need some training, not a court security Deputy. Look in the mirror if you want to point fingers.
Stop trying to pile this shyte on the court staff.
Hell, maybe I just expect too much from an adult female.
BTW: There is only ONE Sheriff in a county. Everyone else is a Deputy Sheriff.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GillJr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok wife does and have used here epipen herself. But with trying to calm down and shacking. She said she would had eventually been able to apply it. But that is easier said then done at the time. I got to call the Sheriff training officer back. He left me a message. Wonder what he is going to say.
The court house is down town. Maybe 5mins from the central fire department.
I just espect more out of a Sheriff Deputy, I guess or at least the ones around that day. Personally I live by the saying "Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6". If someone is going to take everything I have worked hard for trying to help them so be it. I'll be able to sleep at night. </div></div>
BS.
I expect more from an adult that is prescribed a medication that must be self administered. She should be at the top of the list of people that need some training, not a court security Deputy. Look in the mirror if you want to point fingers.
Stop trying to pile this shyte on the court staff.
Hell, maybe I just expect too much from an adult female.
BTW: There is only ONE Sheriff in a county. Everyone else is a Deputy Sheriff.
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I am glad your loved one is O.K. I have been a LEO for 6 years I am only Basic First Aid and CPR / AED Certifed. If she was unable to comunicate all I could do is call the squad and make her as comfortable as I could and wait.
I am glad your loved one is O.K. I have been a LEO for 6 years I am only Basic First Aid and CPR / AED Certifed. If she was unable to comunicate all I could do is call the squad and make her as comfortable as I could and wait.
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I only know how to use those things as a former CLS(Combat Life Saver). Everyone has a choice in life to take First Aid, and advanced training to be a First Responder or a Good Samaritan, or they can be a hand wringing looky lou. I made my choice way back in the Boy Scouts and continued to advance my training and experience.
The biggest thing that stops people now is the fear of the HIV or other bad, nasty, health issues. Way I see it, if someone needs help, someone has to be able to do it. LEO's just happen to be in a position where they are automatically in a First Responder climate. Not being trained in First Responder duties is just an excuse in my book because if a Soldier can do it, a civilian can too.
I only know how to use those things as a former CLS(Combat Life Saver). Everyone has a choice in life to take First Aid, and advanced training to be a First Responder or a Good Samaritan, or they can be a hand wringing looky lou. I made my choice way back in the Boy Scouts and continued to advance my training and experience.
The biggest thing that stops people now is the fear of the HIV or other bad, nasty, health issues. Way I see it, if someone needs help, someone has to be able to do it. LEO's just happen to be in a position where they are automatically in a First Responder climate. Not being trained in First Responder duties is just an excuse in my book because if a Soldier can do it, a civilian can too.
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I have to ask. Where was fd. That is way too long of a response time. That to me would be a legitimate concern. Our protocol is first rig on the scene in 3 minutes 90% of the time. Someone should have been there much sooner.
I have to ask. Where was fd. That is way too long of a response time. That to me would be a legitimate concern. Our protocol is first rig on the scene in 3 minutes 90% of the time. Someone should have been there much sooner.
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Well If I may try to expalin something, Its not about us ( LEO ) being lazy or stupid, or not wanting to help. I agree that as First Responders we should be better trained in First Aid besides the basic. Two Dept's here in my tri-county area require that the applicant be both Fire and Police Cert.Now Vicarious Liabiilty and Preponderance of Evidence in a Civil Law Suite. Everything in our job like many others deals with certificates and cred's. Everything from being certifed to drive a Police car to carrying OC or a baton. If you dont have the certificate or cred's to carry or perform a task,and you do it guess what you just broke policy / proceedure and or the law.So how can you break what you are paid to enforce is how some may look at that. Now lets say that in a simular situation an officer who assits a person in medical need and performs a task such as the eppy - pen and the person either passes away, even from another serious medical condition or even though you just saved thier life, they still want to sue you becasue you being the police officer just performed a medical treatment without being trained, certifed or having the cred's or mis diagnosed becasue of the lack of training, certifiaction or cred's. Now it goes to a Civil Law Suite where some hot shot young attorney sues you and or the P.D. on behalf of the family, and guess what, since you broke policy / procedure guess who dont have your back. That's where the Good Sam Clause is supposed to keep that from happening? Again I am not trying to make excuses, just a for instance of how we are at times caught in situations that no matter what we do with good and honorable intent, LEO's are still screwed.
Well If I may try to expalin something, Its not about us ( LEO ) being lazy or stupid, or not wanting to help. I agree that as First Responders we should be better trained in First Aid besides the basic. Two Dept's here in my tri-county area require that the applicant be both Fire and Police Cert.Now Vicarious Liabiilty and Preponderance of Evidence in a Civil Law Suite. Everything in our job like many others deals with certificates and cred's. Everything from being certifed to drive a Police car to carrying OC or a baton. If you dont have the certificate or cred's to carry or perform a task,and you do it guess what you just broke policy / proceedure and or the law.So how can you break what you are paid to enforce is how some may look at that. Now lets say that in a simular situation an officer who assits a person in medical need and performs a task such as the eppy - pen and the person either passes away, even from another serious medical condition or even though you just saved thier life, they still want to sue you becasue you being the police officer just performed a medical treatment without being trained, certifed or having the cred's or mis diagnosed becasue of the lack of training, certifiaction or cred's. Now it goes to a Civil Law Suite where some hot shot young attorney sues you and or the P.D. on behalf of the family, and guess what, since you broke policy / procedure guess who dont have your back. That's where the Good Sam Clause is supposed to keep that from happening? Again I am not trying to make excuses, just a for instance of how we are at times caught in situations that no matter what we do with good and honorable intent, LEO's are still screwed.
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If someone were unable to communicate, and there wasn't matching orders for the medication and patient ID I would be prone to calming efforts, checking for trauma and airway blockage alone.
I'd rather do an emergency tracheotomy than inject someone with something that I am not 100% sure of its indication or dosage.
Rule #1-do no harm.
Glad she's OK, but she needs to train herself, not only in the application of her own treatment, but in calming herself in the face of an anaphylatcic reaction. Panic add to the response and helps noone.
If someone were unable to communicate, and there wasn't matching orders for the medication and patient ID I would be prone to calming efforts, checking for trauma and airway blockage alone.
I'd rather do an emergency tracheotomy than inject someone with something that I am not 100% sure of its indication or dosage.
Rule #1-do no harm.
Glad she's OK, but she needs to train herself, not only in the application of her own treatment, but in calming herself in the face of an anaphylatcic reaction. Panic add to the response and helps noone.
Re: Sheriffs = No First Aid?
Should she have injected herself sooner? Probably
Should the Deputy know how to do it, or at least the common sense to figure it out? Yes
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen
Should she have injected herself sooner? Probably
Should the Deputy know how to do it, or at least the common sense to figure it out? Yes
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
That looks hard.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
That looks hard.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
I'm officially qualified to use one of these now. Crap, that's even easier than I would have guessed. Good to know to hold it in place for 10 seconds, that's about the hardest part of the process.
J
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
I'm officially qualified to use one of these now. Crap, that's even easier than I would have guessed. Good to know to hold it in place for 10 seconds, that's about the hardest part of the process.
J
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To the op I am glad your wife is ok.
Interesting statement. It is sad in today's world all public employee's have to worry so much about lawsuits.
Law enforcement's job is to protect the public. If a person is injured you would just stand there instead of helping them? I would think LE would get in trouble for that. You would not be happy if you were injured and everyone just stood around and did nothing.
I will help anyone at anytime if I can. I will worry about the lawsuit later.
</div></div>
Guess what? The scumbag liability lawyers do have you both ways now. They have come up with a concept called "Failure to Render Aid". You can Google it to learn more. In a nutshell, they have successfully argued numerous cases where LEO's stood by and did nothing. They won money for, often, bad guys the police were arresting. Their theory goes that you have prior knowledge that you will likely be first to the scene and that, as a public safety employee, you have a duty to help people. I'm not defending the concept just letting you know it is out there. And the Good Samaritan Law may or may not apply to a person employed in a public safety position. It varies by state but that law was originally designed to encourage civilians to help others. Guess where the whole Failure to Render Aid started? Remember the LA bank shoot out? After the bad guys shot all of the police and civilians they ran. One shot himself, the other guy ended up shooting it out with LAPD SWAT in the middle of the street. You have probably seen the video. One of the SWAT officers laid on the ground and shot the bad guy multiple times in the legs. He ended up handcuffed on the ground and bled to death while LAPD kept EMS out of the area while they looked for additional suspects. The bad guys family sued, amazing I know, and won a large settlement against the LAPD. Sad but true.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To the op I am glad your wife is ok.
Interesting statement. It is sad in today's world all public employee's have to worry so much about lawsuits.
Law enforcement's job is to protect the public. If a person is injured you would just stand there instead of helping them? I would think LE would get in trouble for that. You would not be happy if you were injured and everyone just stood around and did nothing.
I will help anyone at anytime if I can. I will worry about the lawsuit later.
</div></div>
Guess what? The scumbag liability lawyers do have you both ways now. They have come up with a concept called "Failure to Render Aid". You can Google it to learn more. In a nutshell, they have successfully argued numerous cases where LEO's stood by and did nothing. They won money for, often, bad guys the police were arresting. Their theory goes that you have prior knowledge that you will likely be first to the scene and that, as a public safety employee, you have a duty to help people. I'm not defending the concept just letting you know it is out there. And the Good Samaritan Law may or may not apply to a person employed in a public safety position. It varies by state but that law was originally designed to encourage civilians to help others. Guess where the whole Failure to Render Aid started? Remember the LA bank shoot out? After the bad guys shot all of the police and civilians they ran. One shot himself, the other guy ended up shooting it out with LAPD SWAT in the middle of the street. You have probably seen the video. One of the SWAT officers laid on the ground and shot the bad guy multiple times in the legs. He ended up handcuffed on the ground and bled to death while LAPD kept EMS out of the area while they looked for additional suspects. The bad guys family sued, amazing I know, and won a large settlement against the LAPD. Sad but true.
Re: Sheriffs = No First Aid?
For me personally I feel 10x more comfortable responding to a gun call than a medical emergency. I have used CPR, an AED, etc. to try and revive people but to be honest it scares the hell out of me. I don't receive enough training (in reality who does receive enough? training) and don't have very much experience in doing it. With that being said I would love to get more medical training if possible.
I'm not going to get into this liability debate but for myself and my brothers I know personally, we do not stand by and watch people die, so please watch your comments.
For me personally I feel 10x more comfortable responding to a gun call than a medical emergency. I have used CPR, an AED, etc. to try and revive people but to be honest it scares the hell out of me. I don't receive enough training (in reality who does receive enough? training) and don't have very much experience in doing it. With that being said I would love to get more medical training if possible.
I'm not going to get into this liability debate but for myself and my brothers I know personally, we do not stand by and watch people die, so please watch your comments.
Re: Sheriffs = No First Aid?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zebra308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well If I may try to expalin something, Its not about us ( LEO ) being lazy or stupid, or not wanting to help. I agree that as First Responders we should be better trained in First Aid besides the basic. Two Dept's here in my tri-county area require that the applicant be both Fire and Police Cert.Now Vicarious Liabiilty and Preponderance of Evidence in a Civil Law Suite. Everything in our job like many others deals with certificates and cred's. Everything from being certifed to drive a Police car to carrying OC or a baton. If you dont have the certificate or cred's to carry or perform a task,and you do it guess what you just broke policy / proceedure and or the law.So how can you break what you are paid to enforce is how some may look at that. Now lets say that in a simular situation an officer who assits a person in medical need and performs a task such as the eppy - pen and the person either passes away, even from another serious medical condition or even though you just saved thier life, they still want to sue you becasue you being the police officer just performed a medical treatment without being trained, certifed or having the cred's or mis diagnosed becasue of the lack of training, certifiaction or cred's. Now it goes to a Civil Law Suite where some hot shot young attorney sues you and or the P.D. on behalf of the family, and guess what, since you broke policy / procedure guess who dont have your back. That's where the Good Sam Clause is supposed to keep that from happening? Again I am not trying to make excuses, just a for instance of how we are at times caught in situations that no matter what we do with good and honorable intent, LEO's are still screwed. </div></div>
Agree completely....and JB Gleason....yup you have a valid argument also....
Unfortunately everything today is about liability....and the way I understand it you WILL end up with a worse outcome if you use medical practices that you are not trained for. Im a Cop and unfortunately you DO need to think about your PERSONAL liability, because thats EXACTLY what it is.
I had a life save the other day. The gal had swallowed and choked on a couple Fentanyl patches (besides the couple she had on her chest.....When I got there she was not breathing and had no pulse. I attempted to clear her airway and was unable to do so but I could just see a portion of the patch. I began CPR on her and was able, to my suprise, to get a pulse after a few seconds of compressions. Unfortunately she was still not breathing on her own or even attempting to breath. I was unable at first to get air into her with a BVM so I had to attempt to jam an oropharyngeal as far back as possible to try to get air past that damn Fentanyl patch. What did she really need? Prob a tracheotomy....was I trained in it....NOPE. There is no damn way I would attempt to do that, even though I was sure I wasnt going to be able to keep her alive much longer.
Its easy for people to say "I would do this" or "I would do that" till you are faced with the liability of it all....and yes it is YOUR liability. In Minnesota I actually have to pay a yearly fee to have legal representation on standby in case someone decides that they want to sue me. If you are not breaking "Policy" with what you have done then MAYBE your department will have your back, but that isnt a gaurentee.
It all comes down to how much are you willing to risk YOUR families way of life for someone else. Its a shitty way to look at it yes, but thats the way today's Lawyers have made things. They have made things so frikin petty you have to be careful on how you word things...say you get someone on a DWI/DUI. I would get torn up in court if I even said I could smell "alcohol" on him, Alcohol does not technically have a smell, its the process of making it drinkable that you can smell, I have to say "the odor of an alcoholic beverage". There are alot of instances like that but you get the point.
As far as the Medical training goes....here in Minnesota it is required to be a cop. Which is great....but it is NOT free.
My training is a step above basic and still cost me $500 PLUS 4 days off from work that I didnt get paid for. EMT-B as far as I know costs about $2,000 and takes a couple days a week for an entire summer, plus Exam fees....now after that you have to continue to get refresher training, which hopefully your department will pay for, but doesnt have to.
Now for the medical equipment. Some departments provide it and some try to get it donated but not all of them have GOOD gear, besides, even if they did have some super life saving gear the basic training that YOU can afford isnt going to cover it.
Did you know that I can even be sued if I use medical gear that I have purchased myself to use? Yup, department aquired, department issued and all Im allowed to use....do I have my own personal bag with my own hand picked stuff, yup, and you know what? Its only for me and my fellow officers/fire/ems persons.....
There is a REASON doctors have Liability/malpractice insurance....
People and Lawyers have made things very difficult to "help" them in a time of need.
Have you ever thought about why Cops have to have in squad video, in squad audio recording, personal audio recording device that links to the video, and then still have a personal recorder.....it does help with convictions yes....but it also prevents liability and lawsuits...
And before I hear the argument that Cops can afford to pay for this stuff, try looking up online and see what Cops REALLY make.....The first job offer I got was for $12 an hour, smaller departments pay up to about $15-16 per hour, big departments may offer up to about $18-19, County is a bit better but you are going to be hard pressed to do better than $20-23 hr with exp.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zebra308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well If I may try to expalin something, Its not about us ( LEO ) being lazy or stupid, or not wanting to help. I agree that as First Responders we should be better trained in First Aid besides the basic. Two Dept's here in my tri-county area require that the applicant be both Fire and Police Cert.Now Vicarious Liabiilty and Preponderance of Evidence in a Civil Law Suite. Everything in our job like many others deals with certificates and cred's. Everything from being certifed to drive a Police car to carrying OC or a baton. If you dont have the certificate or cred's to carry or perform a task,and you do it guess what you just broke policy / proceedure and or the law.So how can you break what you are paid to enforce is how some may look at that. Now lets say that in a simular situation an officer who assits a person in medical need and performs a task such as the eppy - pen and the person either passes away, even from another serious medical condition or even though you just saved thier life, they still want to sue you becasue you being the police officer just performed a medical treatment without being trained, certifed or having the cred's or mis diagnosed becasue of the lack of training, certifiaction or cred's. Now it goes to a Civil Law Suite where some hot shot young attorney sues you and or the P.D. on behalf of the family, and guess what, since you broke policy / procedure guess who dont have your back. That's where the Good Sam Clause is supposed to keep that from happening? Again I am not trying to make excuses, just a for instance of how we are at times caught in situations that no matter what we do with good and honorable intent, LEO's are still screwed. </div></div>
Agree completely....and JB Gleason....yup you have a valid argument also....
Unfortunately everything today is about liability....and the way I understand it you WILL end up with a worse outcome if you use medical practices that you are not trained for. Im a Cop and unfortunately you DO need to think about your PERSONAL liability, because thats EXACTLY what it is.
I had a life save the other day. The gal had swallowed and choked on a couple Fentanyl patches (besides the couple she had on her chest.....When I got there she was not breathing and had no pulse. I attempted to clear her airway and was unable to do so but I could just see a portion of the patch. I began CPR on her and was able, to my suprise, to get a pulse after a few seconds of compressions. Unfortunately she was still not breathing on her own or even attempting to breath. I was unable at first to get air into her with a BVM so I had to attempt to jam an oropharyngeal as far back as possible to try to get air past that damn Fentanyl patch. What did she really need? Prob a tracheotomy....was I trained in it....NOPE. There is no damn way I would attempt to do that, even though I was sure I wasnt going to be able to keep her alive much longer.
Its easy for people to say "I would do this" or "I would do that" till you are faced with the liability of it all....and yes it is YOUR liability. In Minnesota I actually have to pay a yearly fee to have legal representation on standby in case someone decides that they want to sue me. If you are not breaking "Policy" with what you have done then MAYBE your department will have your back, but that isnt a gaurentee.
It all comes down to how much are you willing to risk YOUR families way of life for someone else. Its a shitty way to look at it yes, but thats the way today's Lawyers have made things. They have made things so frikin petty you have to be careful on how you word things...say you get someone on a DWI/DUI. I would get torn up in court if I even said I could smell "alcohol" on him, Alcohol does not technically have a smell, its the process of making it drinkable that you can smell, I have to say "the odor of an alcoholic beverage". There are alot of instances like that but you get the point.
As far as the Medical training goes....here in Minnesota it is required to be a cop. Which is great....but it is NOT free.
My training is a step above basic and still cost me $500 PLUS 4 days off from work that I didnt get paid for. EMT-B as far as I know costs about $2,000 and takes a couple days a week for an entire summer, plus Exam fees....now after that you have to continue to get refresher training, which hopefully your department will pay for, but doesnt have to.
Now for the medical equipment. Some departments provide it and some try to get it donated but not all of them have GOOD gear, besides, even if they did have some super life saving gear the basic training that YOU can afford isnt going to cover it.
Did you know that I can even be sued if I use medical gear that I have purchased myself to use? Yup, department aquired, department issued and all Im allowed to use....do I have my own personal bag with my own hand picked stuff, yup, and you know what? Its only for me and my fellow officers/fire/ems persons.....
There is a REASON doctors have Liability/malpractice insurance....
People and Lawyers have made things very difficult to "help" them in a time of need.
Have you ever thought about why Cops have to have in squad video, in squad audio recording, personal audio recording device that links to the video, and then still have a personal recorder.....it does help with convictions yes....but it also prevents liability and lawsuits...
And before I hear the argument that Cops can afford to pay for this stuff, try looking up online and see what Cops REALLY make.....The first job offer I got was for $12 an hour, smaller departments pay up to about $15-16 per hour, big departments may offer up to about $18-19, County is a bit better but you are going to be hard pressed to do better than $20-23 hr with exp.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For me personally I feel 10x more comfortable responding to a gun call than a medical emergency. I have used CPR, an AED, etc. to try and revive people but to be honest it scares the hell out of me. I don't receive enough training (in reality who does receive enough? training) and don't have very much experience in doing it. With that being said I would love to get more medical training if possible.
I'm not going to get into this liability debate but for myself and my brothers I know personally, we do not stand by and watch people die, so please watch your comments. </div></div>
I forgot to add this to mine as well. I dont want ot protray that I stand aside and let people just die or go untreated. you just got to take the gamble some days....its just sad that you have to worry about liability.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For me personally I feel 10x more comfortable responding to a gun call than a medical emergency. I have used CPR, an AED, etc. to try and revive people but to be honest it scares the hell out of me. I don't receive enough training (in reality who does receive enough? training) and don't have very much experience in doing it. With that being said I would love to get more medical training if possible.
I'm not going to get into this liability debate but for myself and my brothers I know personally, we do not stand by and watch people die, so please watch your comments. </div></div>
I forgot to add this to mine as well. I dont want ot protray that I stand aside and let people just die or go untreated. you just got to take the gamble some days....its just sad that you have to worry about liability.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange****</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I forgot to add this to mine as well. I dont want ot protray that I stand aside and let people just die or go untreated. you just got to take the gamble some days....its just sad that you have to worry about liability. </div></div>
Was not pointing a finger at you, I'm sure you're already aware.
I'm getting ready for work, I hope this thread does not jinx me, everyone be safe.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange****</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I forgot to add this to mine as well. I dont want ot protray that I stand aside and let people just die or go untreated. you just got to take the gamble some days....its just sad that you have to worry about liability. </div></div>
Was not pointing a finger at you, I'm sure you're already aware.
I'm getting ready for work, I hope this thread does not jinx me, everyone be safe.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JB Gleason</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> He ended up handcuffed on the ground and bled to death while LAPD kept EMS out of the area while they looked for additional suspects. The bad guys family sued, amazing I know, and won a large settlement against the LAPD. Sad but true. </div></div>
Wrong, they did not win the lawsuit. It was declared a mistrial. Sad but true that in an effort to promote the internet hysteria you picked a poor example.
The only time that "failure to render aid" can be applied is if the public employee targeted has been trained to render said aid.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JB Gleason</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> He ended up handcuffed on the ground and bled to death while LAPD kept EMS out of the area while they looked for additional suspects. The bad guys family sued, amazing I know, and won a large settlement against the LAPD. Sad but true. </div></div>
Wrong, they did not win the lawsuit. It was declared a mistrial. Sad but true that in an effort to promote the internet hysteria you picked a poor example.
The only time that "failure to render aid" can be applied is if the public employee targeted has been trained to render said aid.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange****</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I forgot to add this to mine as well. I dont want ot protray that I stand aside and let people just die or go untreated. you just got to take the gamble some days....its just sad that you have to worry about liability. </div></div>
Was not pointing a finger at you, I'm sure you're already aware.
I'm getting ready for work, I hope this thread does not jinx me, everyone be safe. </div></div>
Nope, didnt think you were, I just saw that it would have been a good addition to what I was saying. I didnt want to portray that I didnt provide aid, I do everything I can as long as its within my scope of training....and maybe a bit further.
Stay safe Brother....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange****</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I forgot to add this to mine as well. I dont want ot protray that I stand aside and let people just die or go untreated. you just got to take the gamble some days....its just sad that you have to worry about liability. </div></div>
Was not pointing a finger at you, I'm sure you're already aware.
I'm getting ready for work, I hope this thread does not jinx me, everyone be safe. </div></div>
Nope, didnt think you were, I just saw that it would have been a good addition to what I was saying. I didnt want to portray that I didnt provide aid, I do everything I can as long as its within my scope of training....and maybe a bit further.
Stay safe Brother....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should she have injected herself sooner? Probably
Should the Deputy know how to do it, or at least the common sense to figure it out? Yes
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
What disappoints me is that this same company that makes this product & this video used to provide a "training pen" along with the real epi-pen, so that anyone prescribed could practice without being injected with the actual medicine. Per the website it looks as though this is no longer available - I wonder if they were sued over someone thinking the "trainer" had real epi in it, although it clearly stated it didn't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should she have injected herself sooner? Probably
Should the Deputy know how to do it, or at least the common sense to figure it out? Yes
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
What disappoints me is that this same company that makes this product & this video used to provide a "training pen" along with the real epi-pen, so that anyone prescribed could practice without being injected with the actual medicine. Per the website it looks as though this is no longer available - I wonder if they were sued over someone thinking the "trainer" had real epi in it, although it clearly stated it didn't.
Re: Sheriffs = No First Aid?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should she have injected herself sooner? Probably
Should the Deputy know how to do it, or at least the common sense to figure it out? Yes
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
What disappoints me is that this same company that makes this product & this video used to provide a "training pen" along with the real epi-pen, so that anyone prescribed could practice without being injected with the actual medicine. Per the website it looks as though this is no longer available - I wonder if they were sued over someone thinking the "trainer" had real epi in it, although it clearly stated it didn't.</div></div>
Na, they still have them....
As a point of interest, an Epi hit will typically buy you about 15 minutes before the drug will begin to wear off....
Anyone know how many shots you can get out of a SINGLE Epi? (Trivia type question, I already know)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Luke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should she have injected herself sooner? Probably
Should the Deputy know how to do it, or at least the common sense to figure it out? Yes
If you were there would you know how to do it? If not, here's what to do: http://www.epipen.com/how-to-use-epipen</div></div>
What disappoints me is that this same company that makes this product & this video used to provide a "training pen" along with the real epi-pen, so that anyone prescribed could practice without being injected with the actual medicine. Per the website it looks as though this is no longer available - I wonder if they were sued over someone thinking the "trainer" had real epi in it, although it clearly stated it didn't.</div></div>
Na, they still have them....
As a point of interest, an Epi hit will typically buy you about 15 minutes before the drug will begin to wear off....
Anyone know how many shots you can get out of a SINGLE Epi? (Trivia type question, I already know)
Re: Sheriffs = No First Aid?
In a typical use yes...but lets say you are stuck in the woods or a long way from medical attention....
There are actually multiple doses that you can get out of them...I have been taught that there are about 3 doses after the initial Loaded dose.
Here is a little instruction on how to use one in an emergency....I will not condone this and therfore hold NO liability for it, since it was posted on the internet prior to this Im just dirrecting you to someone else's dirrections....If you injected the remaining Epi. it can KILL YOU....Dose correctly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://electricant.net/projects/wmed/epipen/epipen.htm
In a typical use yes...but lets say you are stuck in the woods or a long way from medical attention....
There are actually multiple doses that you can get out of them...I have been taught that there are about 3 doses after the initial Loaded dose.
Here is a little instruction on how to use one in an emergency....I will not condone this and therfore hold NO liability for it, since it was posted on the internet prior to this Im just dirrecting you to someone else's dirrections....If you injected the remaining Epi. it can KILL YOU....Dose correctly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://electricant.net/projects/wmed/epipen/epipen.htm
