Suppressors short barrel shotgun
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Looks like there's a lot going on on that one. You'd have to re-do the iron sight set-up if you cut down the barrel.
With SBSs, I like to keep it simple. If I were going to do a SBS, it would look <span style="font-weight: bold">Old School</span>, something like this one ...
<span style="font-weight: bold">20ga Ithaca Auto-Burglar: Two shots, 10" barrels.</span>
Looks like there's a lot going on on that one. You'd have to re-do the iron sight set-up if you cut down the barrel.
With SBSs, I like to keep it simple. If I were going to do a SBS, it would look <span style="font-weight: bold">Old School</span>, something like this one ...
<span style="font-weight: bold">20ga Ithaca Auto-Burglar: Two shots, 10" barrels.</span>
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looks alot like this base shotgun with a different stock and a rail on top. doesnt look impossible if youre ready to hack it up.
looks alot like this base shotgun with a different stock and a rail on top. doesnt look impossible if youre ready to hack it up.
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Look like you would have to move the magazine guide as well. It would be like cutting down an 870 to less than 4 round magazine capacity. Doable - with the right tools/knowledge.
Anybody notice a lot more shotgun threads in this forum lately?
Look like you would have to move the magazine guide as well. It would be like cutting down an 870 to less than 4 round magazine capacity. Doable - with the right tools/knowledge.
Anybody notice a lot more shotgun threads in this forum lately?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deshawn jackson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks alot like this base shotgun with a different stock and a rail on top. doesnt look impossible if youre ready to hack it up.
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Oh boy! An extra one shot over the old school side-by.
And a guaranteed wrist breaker with those high base loads.
Anybody ever heard of tactical shotgun loads?
For certain, it would be easy to prove you were in fear for your life if you actually shot this thing, if you had ever shot it before.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deshawn jackson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks alot like this base shotgun with a different stock and a rail on top. doesnt look impossible if youre ready to hack it up.
Oh boy! An extra one shot over the old school side-by.
And a guaranteed wrist breaker with those high base loads.
Anybody ever heard of tactical shotgun loads?
For certain, it would be easy to prove you were in fear for your life if you actually shot this thing, if you had ever shot it before.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Oh boy! An extra one shot over the old school side-by.
And a guaranteed wrist breaker with those high base loads.
Anybody ever heard of tactical shotgun loads?
For certain, it would be easy to prove you were in fear for your life if you actually shot this thing, if you had ever shot it before. </div></div>
Frog, they're really not that bad. It's more comfortable for me than my buddy's .500 S&W. Grip design makes a difference too. I prefer the bird's head to the vertical pistol grip.
btw my AOW isn't as short (12.5") so it's still standard 870 capacity.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Oh boy! An extra one shot over the old school side-by.
And a guaranteed wrist breaker with those high base loads.
Anybody ever heard of tactical shotgun loads?
For certain, it would be easy to prove you were in fear for your life if you actually shot this thing, if you had ever shot it before. </div></div>
Frog, they're really not that bad. It's more comfortable for me than my buddy's .500 S&W. Grip design makes a difference too. I prefer the bird's head to the vertical pistol grip.
btw my AOW isn't as short (12.5") so it's still standard 870 capacity.
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Check out the Iron Ridge Arms site.
[url="http://www.ironridgeguns.com/short-shotgun-samples/"]http://www.ironridgeguns.com/short-shotgun-samples/[/url]
look down toward the bottom
Check out the Iron Ridge Arms site.
[url="http://www.ironridgeguns.com/short-shotgun-samples/"]http://www.ironridgeguns.com/short-shotgun-samples/[/url]
look down toward the bottom
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You could cut that down yes... by "you" I mean a person with the proper tools and knowledge base.
There is nothing "preventing" it from happening.
I like 12 - 14" SBS's... wouldn't cut it any shorter than that unless you are going AOW.
Semper Fidelis,
Kent
You could cut that down yes... by "you" I mean a person with the proper tools and knowledge base.
There is nothing "preventing" it from happening.
I like 12 - 14" SBS's... wouldn't cut it any shorter than that unless you are going AOW.
Semper Fidelis,
Kent
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Just spend your money on those reloading components so you can shoot those .4" groups...
Just spend your money on those reloading components so you can shoot those .4" groups...
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that will be the first think i do...... just currious about this shotgun shit...
that will be the first think i do...... just currious about this shotgun shit...
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I saw a short barreled 870 when I was shooting at a Police pistol match at Ridgeway PA a few years ago. I didn't shoot it, but it was very interesting.
I saw a short barreled 870 when I was shooting at a Police pistol match at Ridgeway PA a few years ago. I didn't shoot it, but it was very interesting.
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its seems intresting but dont worrie my money will go on the reloading stuff when midway gets the stuff in stock
its seems intresting but dont worrie my money will go on the reloading stuff when midway gets the stuff in stock
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No good gun stores in your area? Buffalo Gun Center up here in Erie Co. has a good supply. They might not have exactly what you want though.
No good gun stores in your area? Buffalo Gun Center up here in Erie Co. has a good supply. They might not have exactly what you want though.
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their good but i want to order in bulk... 500 bullets 8 lbs of powder 500 new winchester stamped caseings
every thing i want to order on midway came to 1500 bucks... i want to order it all in one wack... so iam just waiting for a few things to come in stock
their good but i want to order in bulk... 500 bullets 8 lbs of powder 500 new winchester stamped caseings
every thing i want to order on midway came to 1500 bucks... i want to order it all in one wack... so iam just waiting for a few things to come in stock
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dlc356, I confess! I eat quiche!
The bird's head looks a lot more comfortable.
A dealer friend used to keep a Pachmayr PGed Ithaca around to lend out to those (often cops) inquiring about PGs.
Something about its conformation concentrated recoil. Few purchased after the sample.
My own experience is pretty much limited to a Mossberg a friend bought, installing the PG before ever shooting it with the buttstock (he was a shotgun novice).
We shot a variety of light birdshot loads ant heavy slug and buck loads, back before anybody ever heard of tactical loads.
I had a nagging wrist pain for several months (like most of a year) and didn't figure it out until after it quit hurting.
I found I couldn't keep a grip on the fore end for more than two shots.
My belief is that barring LOTS of training (which will be unlikely for most, due to the unpleasantness of shooting these), putting a PG on a shotgun is the one thing that can be done to reduce its utility as a defensive weapon. Uncoupling the butt from the shoulder or axilla reduces the inherent pointability of the gun; minor changes in either hand's position relative to the other can produce wild changes in aim, rendering misses across living room distances possible.
I certainly don't believe it's impossible to learn to use something like these effectively, but it will require LOTS of training.
dlc356, I confess! I eat quiche!
The bird's head looks a lot more comfortable.
A dealer friend used to keep a Pachmayr PGed Ithaca around to lend out to those (often cops) inquiring about PGs.
Something about its conformation concentrated recoil. Few purchased after the sample.
My own experience is pretty much limited to a Mossberg a friend bought, installing the PG before ever shooting it with the buttstock (he was a shotgun novice).
We shot a variety of light birdshot loads ant heavy slug and buck loads, back before anybody ever heard of tactical loads.
I had a nagging wrist pain for several months (like most of a year) and didn't figure it out until after it quit hurting.
I found I couldn't keep a grip on the fore end for more than two shots.
My belief is that barring LOTS of training (which will be unlikely for most, due to the unpleasantness of shooting these), putting a PG on a shotgun is the one thing that can be done to reduce its utility as a defensive weapon. Uncoupling the butt from the shoulder or axilla reduces the inherent pointability of the gun; minor changes in either hand's position relative to the other can produce wild changes in aim, rendering misses across living room distances possible.
I certainly don't believe it's impossible to learn to use something like these effectively, but it will require LOTS of training.
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I agree. Nothing demands "getting into the gun" like a 12 guage. If I were to ever get a shorty like the Serbu, I'd at least put a folding stock on it. That way, you've got the compact storage, but can also put your shoulder behind it when it's time to shoot.
I agree. Nothing demands "getting into the gun" like a 12 guage. If I were to ever get a shorty like the Serbu, I'd at least put a folding stock on it. That way, you've got the compact storage, but can also put your shoulder behind it when it's time to shoot.
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The birdshead grip is certainly the way to go with these 12ga AOW's. (If someone is interested in a more traditional pistol grip I have a Pachmeyer pistol grip and for end) My Mossberg 12.5" is certainly a handful but is more than managable for its designated role as a breecher. 6 round side saddle with 3+1 will open most residential doors. The only issue I have found is the side saddle scrapes the top of my left index finger when shooting it LH. Is this a set up taken to the range for a fun filled afternoon of shooting, No. The fiber optic front sight is not good for anything other than hanging on stuff just haven't bought and shaved a bead sight to replace it. Would I own one other than for work probably not. Sure is handy as a key to the city.
Here is a picture:
The birdshead grip is certainly the way to go with these 12ga AOW's. (If someone is interested in a more traditional pistol grip I have a Pachmeyer pistol grip and for end) My Mossberg 12.5" is certainly a handful but is more than managable for its designated role as a breecher. 6 round side saddle with 3+1 will open most residential doors. The only issue I have found is the side saddle scrapes the top of my left index finger when shooting it LH. Is this a set up taken to the range for a fun filled afternoon of shooting, No. The fiber optic front sight is not good for anything other than hanging on stuff just haven't bought and shaved a bead sight to replace it. Would I own one other than for work probably not. Sure is handy as a key to the city.
Here is a picture:
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frog,
No worries bro. I won't tell anyone about the quiche
... Honestly, the only reason I bought the AOW is because I can't get a SBS in AL. We got close to changing the law a couple months ago but the "majority" leader didn't bring it before the Sen. after it passed The House. I'm going to stop now before I cross the political line and get a vacation.
The lack of a stock is definitely not a benefit. Contrary to the movies, it's possible to miss with a shotgun and easy to miss when there's no stock. If I ever move, it'll be to a state where I can get a SBS.
frog,
No worries bro. I won't tell anyone about the quiche
The lack of a stock is definitely not a benefit. Contrary to the movies, it's possible to miss with a shotgun and easy to miss when there's no stock. If I ever move, it'll be to a state where I can get a SBS.
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if you cut down that barrel you'll loose the benefit of the muzzle reduction and front sight and need both repositioned.
if you cut down that barrel you'll loose the benefit of the muzzle reduction and front sight and need both repositioned.
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what ar15 stock is this ( 3ed pic from the bottem ) http://www.ironridgeguns.com/short-shotgun-samples/
what ar15 stock is this ( 3ed pic from the bottem ) http://www.ironridgeguns.com/short-shotgun-samples/
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Here's one for sale http://ee.ar15.com/ItemView.aspx?iid=50244 just a tad expensive...
Here's one for sale http://ee.ar15.com/ItemView.aspx?iid=50244 just a tad expensive...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlc356</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, the only reason I bought the AOW is because I can't get a SBS in AL.</div></div>
Not sure I understand this point. Does putting a stock on the SSS make it a SBS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlc356</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, the only reason I bought the AOW is because I can't get a SBS in AL.</div></div>
Not sure I understand this point. Does putting a stock on the SSS make it a SBS?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steppenwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Looks like there's a lot going on on that one. You'd have to re-do the iron sight set-up if you cut down the barrel.
With SBSs, I like to keep it simple. If I were going to do a SBS, it would look <span style="font-weight: bold">Old School</span>, something like this one ...
<span style="font-weight: bold">20ga Ithaca Auto-Burglar: Two shots, 10" barrels.</span>
</div></div>
Speaking of old school, here's mine......"Stumpy"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steppenwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Looks like there's a lot going on on that one. You'd have to re-do the iron sight set-up if you cut down the barrel.
With SBSs, I like to keep it simple. If I were going to do a SBS, it would look <span style="font-weight: bold">Old School</span>, something like this one ...
<span style="font-weight: bold">20ga Ithaca Auto-Burglar: Two shots, 10" barrels.</span>
Speaking of old school, here's mine......"Stumpy"
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2manygunz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlc356</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, the only reason I bought the AOW is because I can't get a SBS in AL.</div></div>
Not sure I understand this point. Does putting a stock on the SSS make it a SBS? </div></div>
Yes, it does. AOWs like these cannot have a shoulder stock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2manygunz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlc356</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, the only reason I bought the AOW is because I can't get a SBS in AL.</div></div>
Not sure I understand this point. Does putting a stock on the SSS make it a SBS? </div></div>
Yes, it does. AOWs like these cannot have a shoulder stock.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2manygunz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlc356</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, the only reason I bought the AOW is because I can't get a SBS in AL.</div></div>
Not sure I understand this point. Does putting a stock on the SSS make it a SBS? </div></div>
Yes, it does. AOWs like these cannot have a shoulder stock. </div></div>
Learn something new every day. Thanks for that clarification. Would not have thought about the implications of mod'ing a Super Shorty once it had a tax stamp!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2manygunz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlc356</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, the only reason I bought the AOW is because I can't get a SBS in AL.</div></div>
Not sure I understand this point. Does putting a stock on the SSS make it a SBS? </div></div>
Yes, it does. AOWs like these cannot have a shoulder stock. </div></div>
Learn something new every day. Thanks for that clarification. Would not have thought about the implications of mod'ing a Super Shorty once it had a tax stamp!
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That's why the AOW transfers on a $5 stamp - they wouldn't let you transform it into a SBS without getting their extra $195!
That's why the AOW transfers on a $5 stamp - they wouldn't let you transform it into a SBS without getting their extra $195!
