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Nope, not buying it.

First off, some of the very best, most modern designs and manufactures cannot be found on their list of tested cans in some important catagories. Sometimes old designs from one manufacturer is tested side by side with a new design.

Secondly, their references are missing on some of their stated manufacturer facts.

Secondly dB ratings are one, but not the only and sometimes not even the most important measurement when it comes to building a world class suppressor.

The problem with decibel readings are that it expresses a pressure level of sound, and gives no insight as to the "quality" or frequency of the sound.

Read any of their free reviews and see if that strikes you as how a balanced, complete and independant review should be done.
 
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I was kind of dissapointed in their test as they only show some examples of a particular caliber. It would be almost impossible to test out all the cans at one time. Out of the 223 and 308 cans listed, they left some off that could have been a lot quieter, lighter, cost less and smaller. The Quicksilver Ti can was a ringer for the .308 cans. It's double the cost, probably double the size, double the weight of all the others tested.

I have heard a lot of suppressors and to me most of the big name suppressor manufacturers are pretty close to one another. Just pick out what features are most important to you and go from there. Quietest is not always the most important thing when picking a suppressor.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arevalosocom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FREE Db reduction data:
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Some day when you are all set up, I need to get over there and bring my mulimount and sandstorm.

The MM is quieter than the older trinity.
The sandstorm is amazing in 7.62

But I have nothing to compare them to.
 
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Look at some point all this "data" has to be dragged out into the light and asked a few questions.

Does Robert Silvers own "Silencer Research?"

Is Robert Silvers the R&D specialist at AAC?

Ancient competitors products tested next to to new products? Important models missing from the line-up?

Do we really care about dB when we all know it isn't the holy grail?

First and foremost, any idiot will tell you that dB is a measure of <span style="font-weight: bold">sound pressure</span>, ........and sound pressure can't measure <span style="font-weight: bold">duration,frequency or tonality </span>. Both a .308 and a .300 peak at <span style="font-weight: bold">exactly the same pressure </span>(dB) and will read<span style="font-weight: bold"> exactly the same dB</span>, but most of those same idiots know the .300 is louder. dB is only one of a number of important indicators and, IMO, one needs to look at accuracy results, quality of construction, on and on and on and <span style="font-weight: bold">that</span> is only the beginning of the problem.

There is a real problem in how we allow suppressors to be compared, and Silencer Research, is IMO a big part of that problem.

Need to know? go to hear them, all the rest of this web based stuff is mischifus at best, misleading at worst.
 
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Does Robert Silvers own "Silencer Research?"

Answer is no...John Titsworth runs Silencer Research.

Robert Silvers runs Silencertalk.

The guy does a real good job at comparing suppressors he has access to. While it may not answer all questions his site does provide info to those that also dont have access to a bunch of suppressors to test before purchase...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

dB is only one of a number of important indicators and, IMO, one needs to look at accuracy results, </div></div>

Not trying to get into a pissing contest, but this is way more subjective than a DB test.

I agree build quality, weight, repeatability of zero when removed and replaced is something to consider, but sound suppression is an important factor too. Best would be to hear in person what different cans sound like, but that isn't always possible.

I have been very curious to see a RTA test in conjunction with SPL to see at what frequencys and DB the cans meter.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look at some point all this "data" has to be dragged out into the light and asked a few questions.

Does Robert Silvers own "Silencer Research?"

<span style="color: #6633FF">NO</span>.

Is Robert Silvers the R&D specialist at AAC?

<span style="color: #6633FF">NO</span>.

Ancient competitors products tested next to to new products? Important models missing from the line-up?

<span style="color: #6633ff">Says who? He asks for input, and then follows that input for the most part. If XYZ is not there, it is usually because not enough people asked for it.</span>

Do we really care about dB when we all know it isn't the holy grail?

<span style="color: #6633FF">Most people seem too.</span>

First and foremost, any idiot will tell you that dB is a measure of <span style="font-weight: bold">sound pressure</span>, ........and sound pressure can't measure <span style="font-weight: bold">duration,frequency or tonality </span>. Both a .308 and a .300 peak at <span style="font-weight: bold">exactly the same pressure </span>(dB) and will read<span style="font-weight: bold"> exactly the same dB</span>, but most of those same idiots know the .300 is louder. dB is only one of a number of important indicators and, IMO, one needs to look at accuracy results, quality of construction, on and on and on and <span style="font-weight: bold">that</span> is only the beginning of the problem.

<span style="color: #6633FF">Yes, we all know this.</span>

There is a real problem in how we allow suppressors to be compared, and Silencer Research, is IMO a big part of that problem.

<span style="color: #6633FF">What do you suggest?</span>

Need to know? go to hear them, all the rest of this web based stuff is mischifus at best, misleading at worst.

<span style="color: #6633FF">Where can I go to hear them all</span>?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arevalosocom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FREE Db reduction data:

http://silencertalk.com/results.htm

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45466

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25980

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26342

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26548

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39067

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24926

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24884

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24880

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36892

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewto...sc&start=50

http://advanced-armament.com/pdf/articles/p034_OPTECH_0408.pdf

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Sorry but silencertalk seems to be very one sided to me. That being said I dont think there is anything wrong with paying to access another industry website. I dont know the guy personally but he has to take time and energy out of his day to compare silencers for consumers so why not.
 
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Yes, there are other factors to a suppressor than just amount of sound suppression, but the other factors are much more difficult to test. POI shift is easy enough to report. Accuracy is very difficult to test. Both POI Shift and Accuracy probably vary significantly from suppressor to suppressor.

It would be too expensive to see how many shots the suppressor could take before it fails.

The reasoning for the site was that a lot of manufacturers were making claims about dB reduction that appeared false or was not substantiated. This is very testable, and so they spent some time doing side-by-side comparisons. Their approach is very scientific. I wish that a few other manufacturers were tested and that other elements were tested, but I feel like the publication has fulfilled its goal of providing unbiased testing for comparison of suppressors by different manufacturers.
 
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I just signed up recently, and recommend you do the same. The reviews are as good as they can be, in my opinion. John knows as well as everyone else that dB aren't the only thing people need to know which is why his spread sheet/comparison chart includes: Silencer Name, dB unsuppressed, dB suppressed, Net sound reduction, A blast baffle measurement (maybe distance from bore?), Length of can, Diameter of can, Weight of can, Volume of can, Material the can is made of, Whether or not the can can be taken apart, Whether or not the can is multi-caliber rated, retail cost of the can, dB reduction per cubic inch, and Cost per dB reduction.

And that's just the comparison chart for the .22 cans! Then you can click on each can to see a write up that includes his impressions, photos, and videos of the cans INCLUDING the can tested on several platforms. He's got a summary/conclusion section that gives you a quick feel for the can you are looking for as well. There is no "standard" sound test that can mimic what the ear hears. This is why even when a can measures comparatively high in a category, he'll tell you if the can was actually as quiet to his ears as other can's tested.

You will not get as complete a picture on as many cans anywhere else online. For pay or for free.

And to ramble on some more... (notice, I just signed up for this site a week ago. I'm not an advertisement. I'm a fan.)

The usefulness of the sight is illustrated by my .22 can research. First, I have a 10/22 and a Buckmark. Both will be suppressed so I started by opening up the 10/22 page and the p22 (short barreled pistol) page. I had them up side by side. It was immediately obvious that some cans worked great on one setup but weren't even competitive on the other. But as stated before, dB isn't the be-all, end-all, so I ordered the can's by my priority. First, the can could not be aluminum. I want this can to last me forever so I wanted SS or Ti. Second was also non-negotiable. The can had to be of the type that I could take apart to clean. I just don't believe in sealed .22 cans, so this was also a requirement. I ordered both the charts based on material so that SS was up top. Then I went down each chart and only compared the dB ratings of the SS and take-apart cans. I also noticed how the can's performance compared on the two platforms. I clicked each can that past my requirement list and read the conclusion. This warned me off of a couple cans and told me to take a closer look at a few cans whose dB ratings may have scared me away had I not had a subjective description of the cans effectiveness to go along with it. After narrowing my search, I watched all the videos and read the complete description of the cans I was choosing from. I narrowed my search down to the SWR Specre or the Liberty Kodiak. The AAC Element would have been considered as well, but I decided against it because I didn't want a gap between where my 1" bull-barrel ends and the can begins. I just preferred the continuous barrel-extension look.

Of my top two, I preferred the mono-core of the Kodiak over the Omega baffle setup of the the Spectre. I would have been happy with either, and there are a LOT of Spectre fans out there, but I found a deal on a Kodiak and it's bought and payed for. Now the waiting begins, but I am 100% confident in my choice because of the information I was able to get in one place to compare the cans available.

Those people who say the sight isn't perfect are right. But it's the best we've got, and I'm absolutely satisfied that my $30 was well spent.

Regards,
Nate
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks.

But...four year old data in this field is irrelevant.

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90% of those links are 2 Years old at the worst.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: badkarma85</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arevalosocom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FREE Db reduction data:

http://silencertalk.com/results.htm

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45466

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25980

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26342

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26548

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39067

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24926

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24884

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24880

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36892

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewto...sc&start=50

http://advanced-armament.com/pdf/articles/p034_OPTECH_0408.pdf

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Sorry but silencertalk seems to be very one sided to me. That being said I dont think there is anything wrong with paying to access another industry website. I dont know the guy personally but he has to take time and energy out of his day to compare silencers for consumers so why not. </div></div>

It's one thing to say Silencertalk/Robert has bias, he does work for AAC.

But he uses a Calibrated Bruel Kjaer 2209 sound meter, a calibrated 4136 microphone and calibrates the test before and after readings using a 4231 calibrator. To top it off he films the whole thing.

The data is what the data is, he simply reports it.