I've been looking at single stage presses and have pretty much decided on the Lee Classic Cast Press. I only reload for 308 and 270wsm right now but who knows what the future holds. I just wanted to know if there are any reason not to buy the LCC press and to buy a different one instead? All input and opinions are welcome.
Single Stage Press Opinions
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Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
Look real hard at RCBS & Redding.
Both will last a life time.
Lee won't
Respectfully,
LG
Look real hard at RCBS & Redding.
Both will last a life time.
Lee won't
Respectfully,
LG
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not.
Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look real hard at RCBS & Redding.
Both will last a life time.
Lee won't
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look real hard at RCBS & Redding.
Both will last a life time.
Lee won't
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
+1
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look real hard at RCBS & Redding.
Both will last a life time.
Lee won't
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
Have you used a Lee press for a life time?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look real hard at RCBS & Redding.
Both will last a life time.
Lee won't
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
Have you used a Lee press for a life time?
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not. </div></div>
One is made from cast iron and steel...NOT Lee
The other is "pot" metal castings and is soft....Lee
It's your $$$ do as you wish. BTW I'm still using a RCBS "jr" press that I bought in high school in 1967.
LG
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not. </div></div>
One is made from cast iron and steel...NOT Lee
The other is "pot" metal castings and is soft....Lee
It's your $$$ do as you wish. BTW I'm still using a RCBS "jr" press that I bought in high school in 1967.
LG
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not. </div></div>
One is made from cast iron and steel...NOT Lee
The other is "pot" metal castings and is soft....Lee
It's your $$$ do as you wish. BTW I'm still using a RCBS "jr" press that I bought in high school in 1967.
LG </div></div>
I believe you are thinking about the LEE Challenger Presses. The LEE Classic <span style="font-weight: bold">CAST </span> press features cast iron construction and an All-Steel Linkage.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not. </div></div>
One is made from cast iron and steel...NOT Lee
The other is "pot" metal castings and is soft....Lee
It's your $$$ do as you wish. BTW I'm still using a RCBS "jr" press that I bought in high school in 1967.
LG </div></div>
I believe you are thinking about the LEE Challenger Presses. The LEE Classic <span style="font-weight: bold">CAST </span> press features cast iron construction and an All-Steel Linkage.
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
If you are looking for a very good option on a budget, search for a used RCBS Jr. I have had one for 30+ years and while I have many other setups, I still use the Jr. every day I reload.
They can be had used for $25 - $40 and worth every penny.
If you are looking for a very good option on a budget, search for a used RCBS Jr. I have had one for 30+ years and while I have many other setups, I still use the Jr. every day I reload.
They can be had used for $25 - $40 and worth every penny.
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fw707</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you looked at a Forster Co-ax? </div></div>
Yes I have, it just looks so foreign to me. (I'm pretty new to reloading) I've read all the great reviews but I'm not to fond of it. I have no reasoning against it except it's a little more expensive, I just want to stick with a conventional type press.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fw707</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you looked at a Forster Co-ax? </div></div>
Yes I have, it just looks so foreign to me. (I'm pretty new to reloading) I've read all the great reviews but I'm not to fond of it. I have no reasoning against it except it's a little more expensive, I just want to stick with a conventional type press.
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not. </div></div>
One is made from cast iron and steel...NOT Lee
The other is "pot" metal castings and is soft....Lee
It's your $$$ do as you wish. BTW I'm still using a RCBS "jr" press that I bought in high school in 1967.
LG </div></div>
I believe you are thinking about the LEE Challenger Presses. The LEE Classic <span style="font-weight: bold">CAST </span> press features cast iron construction and an All-Steel Linkage. </div></div>
After looking at the "Classic", it would be the only Lee bench press I would use.
I'm a life long RCBS & Dillon user and those have proven CS.
Cheers,
LG
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why will the LEE Classic Cast press not last a lifetime?
My FIL has a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme and I cannot stand the primer catcher. Thats one reason I'm looking at the LEE LCC over the RCBS, I like the way it dispenses it's primers, made from old railroad steel in the USA, an has a 1 1/8th" diameter ram. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm not overlooking anything the others presses have that the LEE does not. </div></div>
One is made from cast iron and steel...NOT Lee
The other is "pot" metal castings and is soft....Lee
It's your $$$ do as you wish. BTW I'm still using a RCBS "jr" press that I bought in high school in 1967.
LG </div></div>
I believe you are thinking about the LEE Challenger Presses. The LEE Classic <span style="font-weight: bold">CAST </span> press features cast iron construction and an All-Steel Linkage. </div></div>
After looking at the "Classic", it would be the only Lee bench press I would use.
I'm a life long RCBS & Dillon user and those have proven CS.
Cheers,
LG
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Try a coax before you commit. Actually size a couple of hundred cases and swap dies for different calibers with both machines. The Coax offers great convenience and tremendous mechanical advantage. Very concentric and accurate. When I bought mine in 1977 or so, the designer was still alive and consulting...he told me to remember it is a machine and as such needs lubing and oiling. Just as tight as the day it was made. I do have a "C" press that I use for erasing mistakes and a RCBS auto primer for the priming job. Dillon for high volume. Use the right tool for the job. JMHO
Try a coax before you commit. Actually size a couple of hundred cases and swap dies for different calibers with both machines. The Coax offers great convenience and tremendous mechanical advantage. Very concentric and accurate. When I bought mine in 1977 or so, the designer was still alive and consulting...he told me to remember it is a machine and as such needs lubing and oiling. Just as tight as the day it was made. I do have a "C" press that I use for erasing mistakes and a RCBS auto primer for the priming job. Dillon for high volume. Use the right tool for the job. JMHO
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Buy a Coax, Rockchucker or a Redding, otherwise you will just end up buying one later on and having a Lee in a box somewhere.
You asked experienced reloaders to answer, we did, so now its up to you to follow that advice or continue down the path that you have already apparently chosen.
John
Buy a Coax, Rockchucker or a Redding, otherwise you will just end up buying one later on and having a Lee in a box somewhere.
You asked experienced reloaders to answer, we did, so now its up to you to follow that advice or continue down the path that you have already apparently chosen.
John
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" I just wanted to know if there are any reason not to buy the LCC press and to buy a different one instead?"
No, there isn't. In fact there are several reasons that make the Lee Classic Cast the best value and perhaps the best period, even for the most critical user. It's big, cast iron/steel strong, the primer catcher system actually works, the lever is fully adjustable for angle-length-side and the design suggests the durablilty will exceed any others (not that it matters because any steel press will last longer than the user). The drilling and machining is done by precision CNC tooling which assures everthing is aligned and bored correctly; it don't get no better than that no matter who made it or how much it costs!
Any reflex sliming of Lee's presses is a knee-jerk reaction with no idea of what they are actually talking about, especially so for the Classic series. If I ever had to replace my old Rock Chucker II, I WOULD get a CC, in fact it's what I would have now if it had been available when I got my RC. And I base all that with some 45+ years of reloading experience with many tools of pretty much all brands under my gun belt.
" I just wanted to know if there are any reason not to buy the LCC press and to buy a different one instead?"
No, there isn't. In fact there are several reasons that make the Lee Classic Cast the best value and perhaps the best period, even for the most critical user. It's big, cast iron/steel strong, the primer catcher system actually works, the lever is fully adjustable for angle-length-side and the design suggests the durablilty will exceed any others (not that it matters because any steel press will last longer than the user). The drilling and machining is done by precision CNC tooling which assures everthing is aligned and bored correctly; it don't get no better than that no matter who made it or how much it costs!
Any reflex sliming of Lee's presses is a knee-jerk reaction with no idea of what they are actually talking about, especially so for the Classic series. If I ever had to replace my old Rock Chucker II, I WOULD get a CC, in fact it's what I would have now if it had been available when I got my RC. And I base all that with some 45+ years of reloading experience with many tools of pretty much all brands under my gun belt.
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Ill cast my vote for RCBS as well. My JR2 has a few years on me, and I couldnt find anything wrong with it if I tried. I hand prime, but the press-primer works. It doesnt spill primers either.
Ill cast my vote for RCBS as well. My JR2 has a few years on me, and I couldnt find anything wrong with it if I tried. I hand prime, but the press-primer works. It doesnt spill primers either.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">" I just wanted to know if there are any reason not to buy the LCC press and to buy a different one instead?"
No, there isn't. In fact there are several reasons that make the Lee Classic Cast the best value and perhaps the best period, even for the most critical user. It's big, cast iron/steel strong, the primer catcher system actually works, the lever is fully adjustable for angle-length-side and the design suggests the durablilty will exceed any others (not that it matters because any steel press will last longer than the user). The drilling and machining is done by precision CNC tooling which assures everthing is aligned and bored correctly; it don't get no better than that no matter who made it or how much it costs!
Any reflex sliming of Lee's presses is a knee-jerk reaction with no idea of what they are actually talking about, especially so for the Classic series. If I ever had to replace my old Rock Chucker II, I WOULD get a CC, in fact it's what I would have now if it had been available when I got my RC. And I base all that with some 45+ years of reloading experience with many tools of pretty much all brands under my gun belt. </div></div>
So the 3 broken(cross pins and handles)Lee's I have seen(NOT the iron one, BTW)don't count, HUH
NOT a "knee-jerk", try "hands on" with a Mark 1 eyeball
Respectfully,
LG
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">" I just wanted to know if there are any reason not to buy the LCC press and to buy a different one instead?"
No, there isn't. In fact there are several reasons that make the Lee Classic Cast the best value and perhaps the best period, even for the most critical user. It's big, cast iron/steel strong, the primer catcher system actually works, the lever is fully adjustable for angle-length-side and the design suggests the durablilty will exceed any others (not that it matters because any steel press will last longer than the user). The drilling and machining is done by precision CNC tooling which assures everthing is aligned and bored correctly; it don't get no better than that no matter who made it or how much it costs!
Any reflex sliming of Lee's presses is a knee-jerk reaction with no idea of what they are actually talking about, especially so for the Classic series. If I ever had to replace my old Rock Chucker II, I WOULD get a CC, in fact it's what I would have now if it had been available when I got my RC. And I base all that with some 45+ years of reloading experience with many tools of pretty much all brands under my gun belt. </div></div>
So the 3 broken(cross pins and handles)Lee's I have seen(NOT the iron one, BTW)don't count, HUH
NOT a "knee-jerk", try "hands on" with a Mark 1 eyeball
Respectfully,
LG
Re: Single Stage Press Opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been looking at single stage presses and have pretty much decided on the Lee Classic Cast Press. I only reload for 308 and 270wsm right now but who knows what the future holds. I just wanted to know if there are any reason not to buy the LCC press and to buy a different one instead? All input and opinions are welcome. </div></div>
I've been looking at this press for 2+ years, to supplement my Dillon 550b.
I think for the money spent...<$90, it's a lot of bang for the buck.
If you'd give me a Redding Big Boss/II, a Hornady, or a RC Supreme, sure--I'd take those, but on a budget, the Lee CC O-Frame is worthy.
I've just got to figure out if I really need a SS press and then where on my crowded bench, I'd put it. It would have to be easily removed and Lee sells a nice mounting plate/bracket setup that might work. 3 or 4 bolts isn't that much to worry about, in the long run.
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been looking at single stage presses and have pretty much decided on the Lee Classic Cast Press. I only reload for 308 and 270wsm right now but who knows what the future holds. I just wanted to know if there are any reason not to buy the LCC press and to buy a different one instead? All input and opinions are welcome. </div></div>
I've been looking at this press for 2+ years, to supplement my Dillon 550b.
I think for the money spent...<$90, it's a lot of bang for the buck.
If you'd give me a Redding Big Boss/II, a Hornady, or a RC Supreme, sure--I'd take those, but on a budget, the Lee CC O-Frame is worthy.
I've just got to figure out if I really need a SS press and then where on my crowded bench, I'd put it. It would have to be easily removed and Lee sells a nice mounting plate/bracket setup that might work. 3 or 4 bolts isn't that much to worry about, in the long run.
Chris
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I think if your goal is to save money, you will use lee dies, press, and throw your powder directly from a lee measure. If your goal is to reload extremely accurate ammunition, your method will be different. I really like my Co-Ax.
I think if your goal is to save money, you will use lee dies, press, and throw your powder directly from a lee measure. If your goal is to reload extremely accurate ammunition, your method will be different. I really like my Co-Ax.
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i've loaded for years with a RCBS ammo master.....it got a huge lever /load arm to work the most sticky of cases that are not lubed, and can do .50bmg down......
it even got the ability to up-grade to a turret press by an additional purchase of all the gear to make it into a turret press....
i'm just sayin.....its expandable
i've loaded for years with a RCBS ammo master.....it got a huge lever /load arm to work the most sticky of cases that are not lubed, and can do .50bmg down......
it even got the ability to up-grade to a turret press by an additional purchase of all the gear to make it into a turret press....
i'm just sayin.....its expandable
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bulk handgun------Dillon 550
precision rifle---Forster COAX
now if Cabelas will just ship me my Backordered COAX!!!! I could be using it right now!
bulk handgun------Dillon 550
precision rifle---Forster COAX
now if Cabelas will just ship me my Backordered COAX!!!! I could be using it right now!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bulk handgun------Dillon 550
precision rifle---Forster COAX
now if Cabelas will just ship me my Backordered COAX!!!! I could be using it right now! </div></div>
Good call.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bulk handgun------Dillon 550
precision rifle---Forster COAX
now if Cabelas will just ship me my Backordered COAX!!!! I could be using it right now! </div></div>
Good call.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Co-Ax or get f................... </div></div>
So, just how many rounds of bulk handgun ammo can you load on that Co-Ax per hr.
Co-Ax is good.....BUT, it's NOT for everydangbody
But, I'm a nobody that has been reloading for over 45 years is all. So what do I know
Respectfully,
LG
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Co-Ax or get f................... </div></div>
So, just how many rounds of bulk handgun ammo can you load on that Co-Ax per hr.
Co-Ax is good.....BUT, it's NOT for everydangbody
But, I'm a nobody that has been reloading for over 45 years is all. So what do I know
Respectfully,
LG
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll hopefully be getting rid of my co-ax to load everything on my 650.
Freefloating the resizing and seating die and weighing powder with a chargemaster.
</div></div>
Hit me up with a price if you do decide to get rid of it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll hopefully be getting rid of my co-ax to load everything on my 650.
Freefloating the resizing and seating die and weighing powder with a chargemaster.
</div></div>
Hit me up with a price if you do decide to get rid of it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Co-Ax or get f................... </div></div>
So, just how many rounds of bulk handgun ammo can you load on that Co-Ax per hr.
Co-Ax is good.....BUT, it's NOT for everydangbody
But, I'm a nobody that has been reloading for over 45 years is all. So what do I know
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
Maybe so but the question regarding a single stage press has been posted on a precision rifle forum so the answers maybe favoured towards precision reloading rather than bulk...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Co-Ax or get f................... </div></div>
So, just how many rounds of bulk handgun ammo can you load on that Co-Ax per hr.
Co-Ax is good.....BUT, it's NOT for everydangbody
But, I'm a nobody that has been reloading for over 45 years is all. So what do I know
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
Maybe so but the question regarding a single stage press has been posted on a precision rifle forum so the answers maybe favoured towards precision reloading rather than bulk...
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I have had my 50th Anniversary Breech Lock Challenger Kit for over 10 years and never had a issue. It works great but after you use it awhile you will want to add some upgrades to your set-up such as digital calipers and a better powder drop and a digital scale and a reamer and... well you get the idea.
OW
I have had my 50th Anniversary Breech Lock Challenger Kit for over 10 years and never had a issue. It works great but after you use it awhile you will want to add some upgrades to your set-up such as digital calipers and a better powder drop and a digital scale and a reamer and... well you get the idea.
OW
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Co-Ax or get f................... </div></div>
So, just how many rounds of bulk handgun ammo can you load on that Co-Ax per hr.
Co-Ax is good.....BUT, it's NOT for everydangbody
But, I'm a nobody that has been reloading for over 45 years is all. So what do I know
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
about 150-200 an hour
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Co-Ax or get f................... </div></div>
So, just how many rounds of bulk handgun ammo can you load on that Co-Ax per hr.
Co-Ax is good.....BUT, it's NOT for everydangbody
But, I'm a nobody that has been reloading for over 45 years is all. So what do I know
Respectfully,
LG </div></div>
about 150-200 an hour
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Lumpy: "So the 3 broken(cross pins and handles)Lee's I have seen(NOT the iron one, BTW)don't count, HUH NOT a "knee-jerk", try "hands on" with a Mark 1 eyeball"
Well, respectfully, Mr. Bjordan did specifically state he is looking at the Lee Classic Cast single stage, which IS iron and steel. Since you now stipulate you have neither used nor even seen the Lee Classic cast press (as I suspected) it's clear that neither your hands nor eyeballs are involved in your assement, only your mouth. Therefore, your negative comments seem well qualified to be honestly and fairly described as a knee-jerk reaction. [As is (perhaps?) your bringing up bulk reloading on a thread specifically titled "Single Stage Press Opinions" a knee-jerk reaction to inject your personal choices if they were requested or not?]
Thing is, it's really not our 'years of experience' that matters, it's what we know that matters or, at least in this instance, don't know. Lee's Classic Cast really is an excellant press, for any level of work or reloading skill.
Ammo is made in the dies, not the press, and money will be much better spent getting good dies (Forster/Redding). But none of the tools matter until - and unless - the loader has good skills and uses good loading methods. Skill can't be bought at any price and it can't be instantly obtained in a box, it takes a long time to develop skill no matter the brand or price of the tools used.
Lumpy: "So the 3 broken(cross pins and handles)Lee's I have seen(NOT the iron one, BTW)don't count, HUH NOT a "knee-jerk", try "hands on" with a Mark 1 eyeball"
Well, respectfully, Mr. Bjordan did specifically state he is looking at the Lee Classic Cast single stage, which IS iron and steel. Since you now stipulate you have neither used nor even seen the Lee Classic cast press (as I suspected) it's clear that neither your hands nor eyeballs are involved in your assement, only your mouth. Therefore, your negative comments seem well qualified to be honestly and fairly described as a knee-jerk reaction. [As is (perhaps?) your bringing up bulk reloading on a thread specifically titled "Single Stage Press Opinions" a knee-jerk reaction to inject your personal choices if they were requested or not?]
Thing is, it's really not our 'years of experience' that matters, it's what we know that matters or, at least in this instance, don't know. Lee's Classic Cast really is an excellant press, for any level of work or reloading skill.
Ammo is made in the dies, not the press, and money will be much better spent getting good dies (Forster/Redding). But none of the tools matter until - and unless - the loader has good skills and uses good loading methods. Skill can't be bought at any price and it can't be instantly obtained in a box, it takes a long time to develop skill no matter the brand or price of the tools used.
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I agree with everybody here about the Forster. I figure, if you have one press then its going to be the bit of equipment that see the most use out of everything your using.
So why not buy something real nice.
Its a very powerful press by the way. It ultimately saves on exerted effort which is good if your injured, frail or lazy.
Im sure the other presses work.
But its like marriage I guess. You have to wake up next to it every day. Make sure your happy with it before you commit otherwise a divorce is in order.
I agree with everybody here about the Forster. I figure, if you have one press then its going to be the bit of equipment that see the most use out of everything your using.
So why not buy something real nice.
Its a very powerful press by the way. It ultimately saves on exerted effort which is good if your injured, frail or lazy.
Im sure the other presses work.
But its like marriage I guess. You have to wake up next to it every day. Make sure your happy with it before you commit otherwise a divorce is in order.
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Just returned from the local "toy store" and did put hands and eyes on the Lee cast press and did load about 20 rnds(HG)on it.
I'll stick with my Dillon 550 and RCBS
YES, dies make the ammo, and dies are "tools". BUT, you need a good "tool holder"(press)too
Cry one time and buy the best you can.
YMMV,
LG
Just returned from the local "toy store" and did put hands and eyes on the Lee cast press and did load about 20 rnds(HG)on it.
I'll stick with my Dillon 550 and RCBS
YES, dies make the ammo, and dies are "tools". BUT, you need a good "tool holder"(press)too
Cry one time and buy the best you can.
YMMV,
LG
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"I agree with everybody here about the Forster. I figure, if you have one press then its going to be the bit of equipment that see the most use out of everything your using...So why not buy something real nice."
Vman, it would take a real idiot to denegrate the Co-Ax. But if it's something 'really nice' depends a lot on the individual's work methods and, perhaps, his perceived need for fast die exchanges.
I don't mind screwing dies in-out at all, it only takes a few seconds anyway. The ergonomics of my work style does NOT readily accept the straight-out lever design and straight in-out case handling of the Co-Ax. I'm right handed and handle cases with my left so a comventional "0" press is far better for me and those who prefer to work as I do, and that seems to be most of us. I find the effort to work any compound toggle lever press so easy that comparing one to another is meaningless. ??
"I agree with everybody here about the Forster. I figure, if you have one press then its going to be the bit of equipment that see the most use out of everything your using...So why not buy something real nice."
Vman, it would take a real idiot to denegrate the Co-Ax. But if it's something 'really nice' depends a lot on the individual's work methods and, perhaps, his perceived need for fast die exchanges.
I don't mind screwing dies in-out at all, it only takes a few seconds anyway. The ergonomics of my work style does NOT readily accept the straight-out lever design and straight in-out case handling of the Co-Ax. I'm right handed and handle cases with my left so a comventional "0" press is far better for me and those who prefer to work as I do, and that seems to be most of us. I find the effort to work any compound toggle lever press so easy that comparing one to another is meaningless. ??
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"Just returned from the local "toy store" and did put hands and eyes on the Lee cast press and did load about 20 rnds(HG)on it.
I'll stick with my Dillon 550 and RCBS"
No one will object, certainly not Bjordsn.
"Just returned from the local "toy store" and did put hands and eyes on the Lee cast press and did load about 20 rnds(HG)on it.
I'll stick with my Dillon 550 and RCBS"
No one will object, certainly not Bjordsn.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The ergonomics of my work style does NOT readily accept the straight-out lever design and straight in-out case handling of the Co-Ax. I'm right handed and handle cases with my left so a comventional "0" press is far better for me and those who prefer to work as I do, and that seems to be most of us. I find the effort to work any compound toggle lever press so easy that comparing one to another is meaningless. ??
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That's how I operate the co-ax, right handed using the left to handle the cases. Like everything you develop a style to suit. With little practice operating the co-ax is as slick as snot so to speak and for me definitely faster than a traditional press. In fact because access to the mechanism is front facing you can use your right hand to get rid of a sized / seated case whilst the left slips in a fresh one...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The ergonomics of my work style does NOT readily accept the straight-out lever design and straight in-out case handling of the Co-Ax. I'm right handed and handle cases with my left so a comventional "0" press is far better for me and those who prefer to work as I do, and that seems to be most of us. I find the effort to work any compound toggle lever press so easy that comparing one to another is meaningless. ??
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That's how I operate the co-ax, right handed using the left to handle the cases. Like everything you develop a style to suit. With little practice operating the co-ax is as slick as snot so to speak and for me definitely faster than a traditional press. In fact because access to the mechanism is front facing you can use your right hand to get rid of a sized / seated case whilst the left slips in a fresh one...
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Wow this turned into alot more than requested. I have Forster dies, and have been reloading for about 2 years at my FIL's with his Rockchucker Supreme. I'm finaly ready to reload at my house now so I need my own pres. I like everything about the RC except for the handling of the spent primers. Thats why I was looking elsewhere and found the LCC and it had alot of good reviews and looks like the spent primers are handled better, and has an adjustable handle. I know the co ax is a great press but it's just not for me. I was just wanting to compare the O frame presses. I don't see the LCC being inferior to the RCBS, the Hornady, or the Redding, and just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing somthing. Thanks alot for everyones input. It seems everyone putting down the LEE doesn't really hve anything to back it up with, and there are quite a few withexperience with it saying it's as good or better. I'll be ordering a LCC press first ting in the morning. Thanks SH!
Wow this turned into alot more than requested. I have Forster dies, and have been reloading for about 2 years at my FIL's with his Rockchucker Supreme. I'm finaly ready to reload at my house now so I need my own pres. I like everything about the RC except for the handling of the spent primers. Thats why I was looking elsewhere and found the LCC and it had alot of good reviews and looks like the spent primers are handled better, and has an adjustable handle. I know the co ax is a great press but it's just not for me. I was just wanting to compare the O frame presses. I don't see the LCC being inferior to the RCBS, the Hornady, or the Redding, and just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing somthing. Thanks alot for everyones input. It seems everyone putting down the LEE doesn't really hve anything to back it up with, and there are quite a few withexperience with it saying it's as good or better. I'll be ordering a LCC press first ting in the morning. Thanks SH!
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It's all good
Very best to you, and you should be happy with it.
Cheers,
LG
It's all good
Very best to you, and you should be happy with it.
Cheers,
LG
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Forster COAX. The ergonomics are just fine...same as any other. I load the press with my left, actuate the ram with my right. It will load just as many, with less effort, and arguably more precisely.
Josh
Forster COAX. The ergonomics are just fine...same as any other. I load the press with my left, actuate the ram with my right. It will load just as many, with less effort, and arguably more precisely.
Josh
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My RCBS Rockchucker belonged to my dad and was purchased in 1972. Still cranking the rounds out today. The Bonanza Co Ax is good too, had one, but sold it and regret the day I did that.
Either way, you can't go wrong.
My RCBS Rockchucker belonged to my dad and was purchased in 1972. Still cranking the rounds out today. The Bonanza Co Ax is good too, had one, but sold it and regret the day I did that.
Either way, you can't go wrong.
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It seems that people either love Lee or hate them. Pluses are low prices and decent customer service. Minuses some of their products are better made than others. Personally, I load pistol ammo on a Lee Loadmaster. I had a few set up problems with it but ironed them out early on. I started on an RCBS Rockchucker that is still mounted on my bench. In between them I have a Redding T-7 that I make match rifle ammo on. The RCBS is used for a collet bullet puller and working up loads before I set up a head for the Lee or small batches of rifle ammo. I have no aversion to Lee but would look at some of the starter kits from everybody and get a scale and case trimmer at the same time. For example the Redding Versa Pak ($370 @ Midway) has a scale, case trimmer, and powder dispenser. They are very good quality.
There is a Reding Big boss on ebay for 13 hours that is at $103 right now. The Lee cast you are looking at is $99 buy it now. I generally don't look at used equipment but it might open up some more options but most of it is buyer beware.
It seems that people either love Lee or hate them. Pluses are low prices and decent customer service. Minuses some of their products are better made than others. Personally, I load pistol ammo on a Lee Loadmaster. I had a few set up problems with it but ironed them out early on. I started on an RCBS Rockchucker that is still mounted on my bench. In between them I have a Redding T-7 that I make match rifle ammo on. The RCBS is used for a collet bullet puller and working up loads before I set up a head for the Lee or small batches of rifle ammo. I have no aversion to Lee but would look at some of the starter kits from everybody and get a scale and case trimmer at the same time. For example the Redding Versa Pak ($370 @ Midway) has a scale, case trimmer, and powder dispenser. They are very good quality.
There is a Reding Big boss on ebay for 13 hours that is at $103 right now. The Lee cast you are looking at is $99 buy it now. I generally don't look at used equipment but it might open up some more options but most of it is buyer beware.
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You are finding out the classic Ford Vs Chevy arguement.
Get a press. They will all serve you well.
Some will argue (As we have seen), that inexpensive presses are not worthy of loading your ammo.
Truthfully, it doesnt matter what color (brand) your press is, it will load ammo for you.
Have fun and ask lots of questions as you go through the reloading process. Lots of folks will help out.
You are finding out the classic Ford Vs Chevy arguement.
Get a press. They will all serve you well.
Some will argue (As we have seen), that inexpensive presses are not worthy of loading your ammo.
Truthfully, it doesnt matter what color (brand) your press is, it will load ammo for you.
Have fun and ask lots of questions as you go through the reloading process. Lots of folks will help out.
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I already have Forster Ultra Micrometer Die Sets, but also use a lee collet for the 308. I have a Hornady LNL powder dispensor/scale combo and a rcbs 10-10. My trimmer is a Hornady Cam-Lock, and I have a set of Lyman calipers with hornady LNL comparator kit. The money I save buying the Lee over the forster and others will be spent on more bullets/powder.
I already have Forster Ultra Micrometer Die Sets, but also use a lee collet for the 308. I have a Hornady LNL powder dispensor/scale combo and a rcbs 10-10. My trimmer is a Hornady Cam-Lock, and I have a set of Lyman calipers with hornady LNL comparator kit. The money I save buying the Lee over the forster and others will be spent on more bullets/powder.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bulk handgun------Dillon 550
precision rifle---Forster COAX
now if Cabelas will just ship me my Backordered COAX!!!! I could be using it right now! </div></div>
Another vote for exactly as he said...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bulk handgun------Dillon 550
precision rifle---Forster COAX
now if Cabelas will just ship me my Backordered COAX!!!! I could be using it right now! </div></div>
Another vote for exactly as he said...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunsnjeeps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that people either love Lee or hate them. </div></div>
kinda like the threads that we all see like this:
Is a nightforce really better than my falcon menace?
The guys who paid the extra swear by it, and the guys who don't refuse to see the difference, are either of them wrong... NO.
They just live in different realities.
Welcome to Internetland...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunsnjeeps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that people either love Lee or hate them. </div></div>
kinda like the threads that we all see like this:
Is a nightforce really better than my falcon menace?
The guys who paid the extra swear by it, and the guys who don't refuse to see the difference, are either of them wrong... NO.
They just live in different realities.
Welcome to Internetland...
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You can see what's on my bench. I had a Forster Co-Ax but got real tired of pinching my fingers seating bullets for 300 Win Mag and the ergonomics are not as friendly as other presses so I sold it. I didn't say it was a bad press, just not what I like to see in a press that costs that much money. For those who have them and like them ... good for you. I had a Rock Chucker but it was a bit sloppy for my liking. I challenge anyone (excluding folks who have dedicated bullet swaging presses like the Corbin presses) who says their press has more mechanical advantage than a Redding Ultramag. Just ain't so. The Lee Classic presses are very solid and tight and no one who owns one disses it. There are some differences with the Lee press such as no cam over feature but they are super strong and the ram alignment to the die is on par with much more expensive presses. You cannot go wrong with a Lee Classic Cast press.
You can see what's on my bench. I had a Forster Co-Ax but got real tired of pinching my fingers seating bullets for 300 Win Mag and the ergonomics are not as friendly as other presses so I sold it. I didn't say it was a bad press, just not what I like to see in a press that costs that much money. For those who have them and like them ... good for you. I had a Rock Chucker but it was a bit sloppy for my liking. I challenge anyone (excluding folks who have dedicated bullet swaging presses like the Corbin presses) who says their press has more mechanical advantage than a Redding Ultramag. Just ain't so. The Lee Classic presses are very solid and tight and no one who owns one disses it. There are some differences with the Lee press such as no cam over feature but they are super strong and the ram alignment to the die is on par with much more expensive presses. You cannot go wrong with a Lee Classic Cast press.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already have Forster Ultra Micrometer Die Sets, but also use a lee collet for the 308. I have a Hornady LNL powder dispensor/scale combo and a rcbs 10-10. My trimmer is a Hornady Cam-Lock, and I have a set of Lyman calipers with hornady LNL comparator kit. The money I save buying the Lee over the forster and others will be spent on more bullets/powder. </div></div>
You have a lot of good equipment already. I kind of assumed (assumption is the mother of all f%%k ups) that you were starting with a press first. Comparing write ups on the Lee and a couple of other presses it looks like a good press. It has a couple of options the others don't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already have Forster Ultra Micrometer Die Sets, but also use a lee collet for the 308. I have a Hornady LNL powder dispensor/scale combo and a rcbs 10-10. My trimmer is a Hornady Cam-Lock, and I have a set of Lyman calipers with hornady LNL comparator kit. The money I save buying the Lee over the forster and others will be spent on more bullets/powder. </div></div>
You have a lot of good equipment already. I kind of assumed (assumption is the mother of all f%%k ups) that you were starting with a press first. Comparing write ups on the Lee and a couple of other presses it looks like a good press. It has a couple of options the others don't.
