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Single Stage Press Opinions

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Can somone explain cam-over to me? Flashhole said the Lee does not have the cam-over fature that some of the other presses have. This is the kind of info I'm looking for, I have no idea what cam-over is and if you want it or not.
 
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When you run the ram up, pull the handle down, on a press some models will go to the top of the stroke then as you pull the handle down the rest of the way the ram actually drops a little. This is cam over. If you look at the linkage under the ram the pivot arms will cross the ram. Other presses have a stop in the linkage where the handle hits a positive stop and the ram stops at the same place every time.
 
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I used to have a RCBS Rockchucker and a Dillon 550B and was pleased with both but I was in the Air Force at the time and subject to moving around a bit till I retired out in 2008. So I had my stuff stored in a storage unit that got broke into and stoled by a methhead son of the people who owned the rental storage units. Well anyway I also had bought a Lee Classic Cast press that was stored elsewhere that I 'was' going to use as a station to use a Dillon case trimmer unit when I got my home built.

Well since I didn't get my presses recovered back I set up the LCC and I was actually impressed with it over my old RCBS RockChucker. The things I liked about my Lee Classic Cast was there was a larger opening to load larger calibers like my brother's .338 Laupau Magnum which you just set your bullet on the case mouth then run it up. My brother's older RCBS Rockchucker you had to slip your bullet up in the die then set it on the case mouth. I believe the newer RCBS Rock Chucker Supremes have larger opening now. I don't know if they have fixed the spent primer problem but I sure like the Lee Classic Press's hollow ram hole to allow the spent primer fall through into a tube and I use a bucket to catch the primers. The handle is adjustable length for different applications and I watched the little video Lee has on how the Classic Cast press is made by chopping up old rail road rails and melting them and a casting then finishing them with CNC.

I seen an older Coax press and the handle clearance on a larger caliber die looked close for larger dies clearance but I think Foresters newer Coax presses have taller handles to overcome the height of larger dies. COAX's shell plate is free floating which self centers the shell case as it goes in the die which makes for more concentric inline loading.

My brother has used my Lee Classic Cast and he has said to me if he decides to replace his Rockchucker someday he just may replace it with Lee Classic Cast too. And he also has looked at a Coax press too and he likes them too so it may come down to how bad and how much with him if he does decide.

But since I still have most of my dies and scales and the other accessries from the theft the Lee Classic Press was not that hard on the bank account and I was up and going again. For a beginning newbie reloader that didn't have anything I would have to recommend the RCBS Rockchucker Supreme reloading kits that come with the scales, priming tool, powder measure, ect... since the complete RCBS kits are cheaper than buying press, measure, scales, and the rest of the stuff individually. That is one area that Lee doesn't cover with thier Classic Presses and that is a a kit with the set up to start up reloading from but anyway I'm not a fan of all the Lee products like thier powder measures, primer tools, scales. Plastic and cheap is not precision enough for me.

I do like the case length and trimmer sets though. Simple and works! The slow part is the only down fall but I do catch more bad brass going one at a time on my mixed range brass like split case mouths and necks and other stuff.

I also like the Lee Case Bulge Buster kit for rimless pistol cases too. They size the cases down at the base like they do the bullet sizer dies do to lead bullets! I shoot revolvers and my one .45 ACP revolver the moonclip reloads sometimes wouldn't go all the way in the cylinder and that was from the 45 ACP range brass I picked up came from different pistols and some may had unsupported chambers and bulged the cases out. The Bulge Buster kit and the right carbide sizer die for your caliber and you can size your brass before you load or the instructions say you can run loaded cartridge through the die too. I usually run the cases before myself. You can get other sizer dies like 40 S&W and run all your range brass through the Bulge Buster for your .40 S&W semi-autos reloads. They have the most problems from the older Glocks because they had unsupported chambers because of the feed load ramps built into the barrels. Us brass rats hate to throw out good brass when there is a cure for it.

Not everything Lee makes is bad, and some of the other brands products are so great either.
 
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Stick with the Lee Classic Cast! The people who like the Green presses have never tried a Classic Cast press. The older aluminum presses were a little weak but good for beginner. The new cast iron units put anything RCBS has to shame. You are not going to wear one out. The adjustable handle is an option that blows away the rest. you can quickly shorten it for seating bullets so you don't have to swing a long handle liek on a Rockchucker. Why was all that motion and energy if you don't have to. I but one when they first came out and have easily cycled the handle 20,000 times and the unit has only gotten smoother. Great price for a superior press. My friend replaced his Rockchucker after playing with my Lee for only a few minutes. Thats all the longer it took to realize how much better the handle system is. And you can do 50BMG on it. =-)
 
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I run the Forster Coaxial as well for precision rifle, Dillon 550B for bulk. The Forster is an amazing press, a little more $$ than most but just about any press is a one time purchase. The Coaxial's best features are its automated shellholder and snap-in die design. It is however not well suited for the larger belted magnums, things get real cramped with anything longer than standard short action rounds.

I have used the RCBS AmmoMaster with great results as well, but if you are not loading the larger magnums, you have a lot of excess ram stroke wasted on the shorter rounds, slows things down a bit.

Kirk R
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bjordan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The money I save buying the Lee over the forster and others will be spent on more bullets/powder. </div></div>

That's a good way to look at it, but after the bullets/powder are gone you'll still have the Lee.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Coaxial's best features are its automated shellholder and snap-in die design. It is however not well suited for the larger belted magnums, things get real cramped with anything longer than standard short action rounds.

Kirk R </div></div>

I do agree with you that when you get to the larger magnums things do get a bit cramped (bullet seating only though). However with a bit of care I reload the .300WM and .338LM without any issues. I'm happy to overlook the few shortcomings (excuse the pun!) of the press for its other excellent features and accuracy.
 
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I've got green (RCBS Rockchucker), red (Lee CCP), and blue (Dillon XL650) on my bench. All of them work great and if anything the Lee CCP feels sturdier to me than my Rockchucker does. Don't get me wrong, I like them both just fine, but I wouldn't hesitate to use only the Lee. I think sometimes people get a little too emotionally invested in their chosen brand and all the rest are junk just because they don't own them...
 
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I should add that the reason I looked for another press and got the Co-Ax was because the Rock Chucker I originally purchased did not size the cases straight (ram/shellholder slightly out of alignment to the die body) - that's why its relegated to depriming and pistol ammo.
 
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Listen I don't think the Co-Ax is perfect but I load 9mm, 40s&w, 45acp, .223 260 308 and 30-06, when you factor in shell holders the price of the Co-Ax is not that far out of line compared to a Rockchucker, buy Forster dies or Hornady and you'll get compatible lockrings
 
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There is nothing magic about 'cam over.' As the ram moves up, it eventually goes as far up as it can. Then, IF the lever toggle continues to rotate passed the point of <span style="text-decoration: underline">'top dead center'</span> of ram travel and starts back down before the links hit the physical stops it is said to have 'cammed over' (TDC); it's no more complex than that.

Lee puts the stops at TDC rather than passed it and it's purely a matter of opinon which is 'better'. Actually, it really doesn't matter where the ram is when it stops, we just adjust our dies so they do what needs to be done with either.


<span style="font-style: italic">"That's a good way to look at it, but after the bullets/powder are gone you'll still have the Lee."</span>

Perfect, best of both worlds!
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I spent a lot of time researching before buying my first press. I Chose the Co-Ax and could not be happier. I did install a shorter handle.

As for the ergonomics, I chose to mount my press to thick I-Beam. This allows me to rotate the press to comfortable position. For added weight, I stack pieces of rail(road) on the back of the I-Beam or use a C-clamp to affix it to the bench. It was not part of the plan, but it ended up being a fairly portable system.

I considered getting a Dillon or LNL for higher volume stuff but after getting some experience, I realized the press was not the rate limiting step and have decided to spend my money on brass prep/powder dispensing equipment.

Get a Co-Ax, you will be happy that you did.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lumpy grits</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look real hard at RCBS & Redding.
Both will last a life time.
Lee won't
Respectfully,
LG</div></div>

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