I see more than a dozen states have passed these type of laws, which is great, but I wonder how effective they will be in the long run:
Missouri Governor Will Sign Bill Nullifying Federal Gun Laws: Spokeswoman
www.theepochtimes.com
Fed can not require local gov to incur and bear costs on the fed govs behalf.Time will tell. Sooner or later there's going to be a law suit by the Feds or someone and it'll likely go all the way to the SCOTUS.
Why stop at fed gun laws? Let’s nullify all of the things!Should be banning ALL federal gun laws, not just "new" ones.
Will it make a difference, probably not...but any step taken to reducing federal power is fine by me
Not sure that level of all or nothing gives a very cogent analysis of the situation. Any time any organization is forced to carry out its job with a reduced labor force, they have to make decisions as to how important various objectives are. This shouldn't be any different, as local PD is really just contract labor in this situation.Hi,
No State has stepped up and said they will use State LE to stop the Feds from coming in and arresting your ass; so these laws are a mute point and pandering at best.
Who cares if abc State Police will not arrest you or assist the Feds in arresting you. It is not like they are going to stop the Feds from arresting you.
Sincerely,
Theis
What would you do, for example, if you had to do all of your metal finishing in house because your finishers didn't want to work for you? You'd probably decide to offer fewer finishes, bring it in house, hire up to do it. But resources are not unlimited, so you'd either need to raise more money or take it from somewhere else. Either choice has consequences.
Well, if the outcome of these laws is for the ATF to have 10x as many agents, then by definition, the laws have made a difference.If he could legally print money, and borrow unlimited amounts. Then also use inflation as a tool to diminish the value of the debt, expanding the business becomes more feasible.
I know of one federal immigration agency that used to be 2000 agents. States first decided to stop helping, then later to start impeding. Now it's up to 20,000 agents. It would suck to see that kind of expansion with ATF.
Unintended consequences seem to be the most common kind.
Don’t be naive. Nothing like this is unintended. The state govt are just as corrupt as the feds. Look at the election stuff happening now. The same state legislatures that allowed this fuckery to happen in the first place are the ones now trying to get to the bottom of it. Lol. What bullshit.
i agree with @THEIS for once. It’s pandering.
Wade is a big believer in the all consequences are intended school of thought.I'm not sure I understand your point.
Are you saying that the corrupt states are deliberately passing these -we won't help the ATF- laws, to goad the fed into expanding the ATF?
That's the states goal in these laws? And I'm naive if I don't believe that?
Ok
Which is, of course, the case in everything because of finite resources and other, less economic, reasons. I don't think there is a question that they will have to make choices that they didn't have to make before. What these choices are, I certainly do not know, but given the level of active enforcement of things like magazine bans and AR feature bans, even at levels where it is much easier to do it, I don't really see the ATF bothering to send manpower in to Buttfuck, ID to search for pistol brace offenders.like illegal immigration and federal drug laws...?
the word "selective" comes to mind...
They will decide where they feel the juice is worth the squeeze. A flow chart of DHS isn't an argument against the idea that everybody, even the feds, has to allocate resources.Hi,
Everybody remembers how "fast" this organization was stood up; from thought to enforcement was extremely fast.
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Does anyone seriously think that Fed LE entities are going to let people get away with breaking Federal Law (Not getting into discussing whether the laws are Constitutional or not) just because they cannot get assistance from some State LE Agencies??
Sincerely,
Theis
Well yes, as in the case of States with legalized marijuana laws, though occasionally, feds will try to push it. One of those politically correct things to allow people to dope themselves to death. So the feds are kinda ok with it. Easy to control those that are high. I've always believed that the drug trade has been in the pockets of politicians for decades, with Uncle Sam being the biggest pusher on the block (next to china, russia). A great way for our hard working boys and girls in the swamp to fund those off shore accounts.Hi,
Everybody remembers how "fast" this organization was stood up; from thought to enforcement was extremely fast.
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Does anyone seriously think that Fed LE entities are going to let people get away with breaking Federal Law (Not getting into discussing whether the laws are Constitutional or not) just because they cannot get assistance from some State LE Agencies??
Sincerely,
Theis
Time will tell. Sooner or later there's going to be a law suit by the Feds or someone and it'll likely go all the way to the SCOTUS.
Which is, of course, the case in everything because of finite resources and other, less economic, reasons. I don't think there is a question that they will have to make choices that they didn't have to make before. What these choices are, I certainly do not know, but given the level of active enforcement of things like magazine bans and AR feature bans, even at levels where it is much easier to do it, I don't really see the ATF bothering to send manpower in to Buttfuck, ID to search for pistol brace offenders.
I don't see any other way to analyze what will happen other than based on what the same group has done in very similar situations.
That is what I meant by "other, less economic, reasons." I didn't mean to imply that resources are the only reason for decision making. What I am saying is that resources will likely determine where you will see big operations. I think I used as an example, Texas, which probably has the most ATF employees outside of DC. They have a new suppressor law. i would not be surprised to see the ATF push back on that, both because it is high profile, it is Texas, which is still emblematic of RED STATE, and they have more than enough personnel and material in place. They don't require local LEO help there. I don't think you'd see the same verve in going after pistol braces in Alaska. Resource allocation matters.the primary is not lack of resource. although i do agree resources are finite, ...of course.
it, to me...appears to be selective with a left leaning bias...again, drugs and immigration.
if anything it should be interesting. precedent is set with "sanctuary states"...and several states legalization of certain drugs.
hell, you can even buy stock in pot companies on the open market...tell me that is a resource issue...lol.
Hi,
No State has stepped up and said they will use State LE to stop the Feds from coming in and arresting your ass; so these laws are a mute point and pandering at best.
Who cares if abc State Police will not arrest you or assist the Feds in arresting you. It is not like they are going to stop the Feds from arresting you.
Sincerely,
Theis
The same way that states have stopped the federales from enforcing marijuana lawsThis will prevent people from being charged within the state but the Feds will have jurisdiction over any Federal crimes being committed within the state. I don't know if there's a way the state can stop the Feds from acting on their own laws.
This is how the State works, it shouldn’t surprise anyoneIt’s also funny and telling, the fed won’t come in when a state (NY,CA,NY,MA, etc) violates the constitution and attempts to restrict citizens rights.
Basically the fed will only overrule the state when it decreases your power as a citizen, NEVER when it could increase your power.
The same way that states have stopped the federales from enforcing marijuana laws
The Feds aren't spending any resources to stop granny from smoking week to help with arthritis or for that matter, little Johnny smoking some week in his parents basement. They still go after trafficking, but the states aren't denying this is still a crime.
The feds raided perfectly legal businesses as defined by California several years ago. They still go after large grow operations, which is still bullshit, because that is tax money that they haven’t been able to steal yetThe Feds aren't spending any resources to stop granny from smoking week to help with arthritis or for that matter, little Johnny smoking some week in his parents basement. They still go after trafficking, but the states aren't denying this is still a crime.