Sorry, guess it still hurts.

Strykervet

Strykervet

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    #1
    SF soldier's body who was killed in Niger ambush due to shitty intel returned to widow and the best our president could muster was, "I guess he knew what he was signing up for, guess it still hurts". It'd be better if he didn't call at all.

    YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME! No shit he knew what he was signing up for! Imagine had that been said to a president's widow by someone of importance.

    Those of you that wore the uniform know this is bullshit.
     
    #3
    Yes I give full faith and credit to the Democratic Congresswoman reporting the call contents and the context of the conversation. There is no way a Democrat congresswoman would lie about this.


    I am going to change my vote from Trump to Clinton now because she would have been caring and compassionate about a US servicemans death.
     
    #4
    Somebody remind me which politician shitbag it was, plus entourage, that ate an aircrew's pizza, thinking that the Sun revolved around them.
     
    #5
    HE fucking said it, NOT ME. And yeah, I do believe the bitch with a "D" after her name. She was in the car with the family ON SPEAKERPHONE. This motherfucker is a disgrace to ALL US SERVICEMEN/WOMEN and you still go to bat for the shit he says. Amazing. You ever lost anyone in a war? A friend? Family? Just what would you think if he called them and said that shit? The motherfucker isn't human, period.

    You need to put down the political blinders for a moment. To politicize an event 1000 miles away is one thing, to politicize the death of a soldier in the car with the widow is quite another. Besides, it's well within the parameters of the kind of shit he says already --kinda like when he threw those "wonderful, soft towels" to thirsty as fuck PR citizens. Say what you will about PR, but if we aren't gonna fix that shit, then we should give 'em their fucking independence and move on. They pay half their pay in taxes like you, and then some.

    powdahound76 said:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/18...ed-up-for.html

    Stryker, I won't apologize for him and the stupid stuff I know he has said, that I have heard. I am well aware he isn't the best and I am still happy we have him over Murderous Clinton.
    Just saying this is what one news outlet says.
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    I know dude, I voted for the fucker for the same reason and I feel exactly the same --the majority of us do. That's not enough for some, for some I should worship the bastard, to some he can't do wrong. But it makes me wonder how many times we can vote for the "less of two evils" before we become just plain evil?

    Look all, I'm the LEAST POLITICAL person on this site. Hell, I'm FOR the "no politics means no politics" rule Frank used to jealously enforce. Please don't drag me into the petty bickering that is tearing this country apart and accelerating the next civil war. But I very much am for duty, sacrifice, honor --virtues this president will never understand in two lifetimes. To see him dishonor the widow of a fallen serviceman, let alone the callousness of his statement during her grief, is disgusting to say the least.

    So, Mrs. Johnson, I'll do what your president should have done in the first place:

    "Mrs. Johnson and family: I cannot begin to contemplate the grief and loss you and your family are going through; losing a loved one is hard and losing them before their time seems unjust. All I can do is attempt to console you by letting you know that your husband gave his life for his country honorably and that he was trying to make the world a better place. I know these words do little to console, but please know your husband/father/son showed the utmost duty, honor and sacrifice during his service and will not be forgotten, not by me, his comrades, those he touched, and of course you and your family."

    That's what a consolation call or letter should sound like. At least I have the knowledge that the family doesn't put much stock in his words, and will get a proper condolence letter from his chain of command, friends and those who actually meant something and knew him.
     
    #6
    Veer_G said:
    Somebody remind me which politician shitbag it was, plus entourage, that ate an aircrew's pizza, thinking that the Sun revolved around them.
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    Really? Gonna compare eating someone's pizza to consoling a serviceman's widow? You know, whoever it was could replace the pizza and "sorry" would be well enough. It was a fucking pizza! There is no going back on this, death isn't a pizza, I wish you could see that. We all bear the disgrace this man showed to Johnson's widow, whether you think you do or don't.

    This couldn't be any worse if Westboro church held the services.
     
    #9
    If Trump said it? Whats worse him saying it or that Cowboy hat wearing B!tch Politicizing it?

    So Go eff yourself. Because if Trump did say it it was not with the intent to hurt. But Wilson's intent was to hurt. I never know the right words to say to someone who has lost a loved one. Its easy to say the wrong thing for the right reasons. His mistake was in goodness, Hers was in Evil so who do you stand with. Witch one has caused the most pain for the family? Trump or Wilson.
     
    #10
    Strykervet said:
    Really? Gonna compare eating someone's pizza to consoling a serviceman's widow? You know, whoever it was could replace the pizza and "sorry" would be well enough. It was a fucking pizza! There is no going back on this, death isn't a pizza, I wish you could see that. We all bear the disgrace this man showed to Johnson's widow, whether you think you do or don't.

    This couldn't be any worse if Westboro church held the services.
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    Slow your roll, player. I made no such comparison. I asked a question, reminded in general of gross insensitivity. You're pissed off and lashing out. I'm going to say what others have said. Trump may be an insensitive ass, but can you really compare his actions to what we might have expected from Hillary? It doesn't excuse his behavior, but be glad that the Socialists on the far edge of the D party aren't in place to sponsor and coddle the Spenser Rapones of the world.
     
    #11
    Strykervet said:
    SF soldier's body who was killed in Niger ambush due to shitty intel returned to widow and the best our president could muster was, "I guess he knew what he was signing up for, guess it still hurts". It'd be better if he didn't call at all.

    YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME! No shit he knew what he was signing up for! Imagine had that been said to a president's widow by someone of importance.

    Those of you that wore the uniform know this is bullshit.
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    Yes.....
     
    #12
    The one that politicized this is the Dem politician by bringing it to the medias attention.

    Not making apologies for him. I don't know what was said only what was reported and I do not believe much reporting these days.

    We don't know the context in which the statement was made.

    Context 1 which the media would have you believe

    "Eh, He signed up knowing the possible consequences so we should have expected this but still it hurts. At least you won a great insurance pay out now."

    Context 2 which could have been his intent.

    "Where do we get such men that despite knowing the possible consequence of what could happen they still sign up for this? We know what the possibilities are but still it shocks us and hurts us when our hero servicemen pay the last full measure."

    We don't know what the full context of the conversation was but the Dem pol jumped right in to politicize what should have been a private conversation.

    It doesn't make things right but I wonder if he promised the wife he would get the film maker that caused his death and throw him in jail.
     
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    #14
    I can't believe there are still moron among us who actually believe anything a Democrat says.......especially when it involves Trump.

    keep on eating up that MSM narrative stryker......they love morons like yourself.
     
    #15
    Well, to the left/right gang, go fuck yourselves back to 'ya. I don't play those games, that shit is tearing the country apart. If ANY OTHER self-described molester, slum lord and pathological liar whose KNOWN to be insensitive, to mention a few, said "oh, but she's lying" you guys would be all over that comment like shit on skivvies.

    I'd be saying the same thing were it Obama, Bush, Cliton or any other. It's disgusting, it's wrong. Yes, knowing what to say to a grieving person is hard sometimes; sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut instead and say as little as possible. But we expect more from our president and considering this is something he called other presidents out for (and lied about re: calling widows/ers) recently, you'd think he'd at least have a template. IIRC, Lincoln left some outstanding condolence letters behind, and he has access to the best speech writers in the country, whether he hires or listens to them or not.

    And yeah, I agree, I bet he does have a hard time coming up with meaningful, heartfelt words for average people he doesn't know.

     
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    #19
    Wow, a few judgemental SOBs here this morning. I find it ironic the person who says "i am the least political person here" and "no politics means no politics" should be enforced. Goes on the biggest rant so far. I would disagree with you. You would seem to be political and you want "no politics" because you get to " wound up" about politics.

    Now about our president. He has his faults there is no doubt. He has an ego the size of Jupiter. Skin as thin as rice paper. I think he suffers from a "learning disability". In all seriousness.

    I would never say that words are not powerful. But as someone who struggles with language and its idiosyncrasies I think you have to understand what a person is trying to say as much as what they say. Used to be called "reading between the lines"

    There are many many types of Autism and with that many levels or degrees of severity. I would be about a level 2 Aspergers.

    If anyone has listened to our president he definitely struggles with words on the fly. Obama was/is a hell of a speaker. But what does that get you? Someone that sounds " intelligent" can feed you a line of shit and you will eat it. I guess that is the power of words (or at least part of it).

    How do you call and tell someone sorry your loved one is dead? My wife asked me what i thought about what he said this morning and i guess i see the whole situation. I believe the President feels guilt over the soldier's death. He is in charge and ultimately is responsible for the military. He may have ordered the operation. When i "read between the lines" I hear someone who is truely sorry, but a job had to be done. The soldier did know what he signed up for. We all do, that is why they deserve our utmost respect.

    By saying what he said he is not trying to make the soldier responsible for his own death. I believe he is trying to admonish himself of guilt.

    Was what he said appropriate? NO!! But i believe from what i have read so far that the media has taken it out of context and that there was more to the conversation. The media is spinning it negatively to get the biggest bang for its' buck.

    As my wife says to me A LOT. "Why do you have to point out the obvious"? (Meaning I say shit like that all the time)

    Personally i was 5000 times more offended yesterday (maybe day before) when Trump said he was the only President to call deceased soldiers families. That is a fucking lie. Everyone hates a liar. Then a few hours later his press secretary (or whatever she is) repeated the same lie and said it was true. I wanted to punch my fucking TV. It is an assault on my Intelligence to try and make me think that he is the first president to give a shit about a deceased soldier.
     
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    #20
    Strykervet said:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/18...ed-up-for.html

    What are you, a political troll? Do you ever contribute to the site?
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    what other president in recent history has ever suffered from an onslaught of slander that trump has?........

    it is relentless, and a coordinated deliberate attack.......every week its something new thrown out by the media and the dems.....and tgey are trying to get something to stick to make him look bad.

    he'll, I remeber when the media was all up in arms because trump ordered 2 scoops of ice cream after dinner........tgat is the level they ae stooping to to try and slander him.

    and hell, remember that boy who cut the WH grass?...there were dems bitching about how he supports child labor and is anti Union.......

    90% of what they are reporting about trump is either taken out of context.....conpletely made up......or something so stupid no normal person actually cares about.

    and the dems want me to give a shit every time they open their traps?.....fuck that........maybe if they haven't delegitimized their complaints by literally complaining about everything....i might actually give a shit about anything they had to say.

    but you believe them for some reason........tell me, what have they done to earn themselves ANY legitimacy what so ever?



    god, if trump so single handedly cured cancer tomorrow......the dems would be bitching because he put researchers and doctors out of work.

    is trump perfect?.....hell no.......but he hasnt done anything that any other president hasn't done a million times over.....the onlyt difference is, no other president has been type cast as a "neo nazi, white supremacist, bumbling bafoon" in the news every week........

    funny, no one accused trump of those things before he ran for office.......i wonder what changed?....oh right...hes a non establishment Republican.

    if it were Hillary in his position, doing exactly what hes doing, she would be portrayed as mother fucking Theresa
     
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    #22
    IF! And that's a HUGE FUCKING "IF" he said what's being reported, then I don't care. You don't accidentally end up in an ODA, you fucking want to be the gleaming tip of the spear as close to the shit as anyone can get. If I'd gotten killed overseas, as a cop, whatever, my mother would've said to people that I made my decisions and got killed doing what I loved. I told my family and my teammates not to fucking dare think of me as a "victim" if I got smoked on a patrol, I made a lot of conscious choices that put me there.

    I fucking refuse to think of my dead and maimed friends as victims, they're fucking warriors who died or got fucked up in their chosen profession. The "victims" are the family left behind, and no words, regardless of their eloquence, have any meaning. Politicizing them is 100 times more offensive to me than whatever plain speak The Donald may have used.

    Personally Im so desensitized to the daily "OMG, look what Trump said" bullshit that he can SAY anything he damn well feels like and I couldn't give half a fuck. I look at what he's already DONE, and is struggling mightily to achieve, and I smile and say "That's my president". That's something I haven't been able to say for a long damn time.
     
    #24
    bogeybrown said:
    personally im so desensitized to the daily "omg, look what trump said" bullshit that he can say anything he damn well feels like and i couldn't give half a fuck. I look at what he's already done, and is struggling mightily to achieve, and i smile and say "that's my president". That's something i haven't been able to say for a long damn time.
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    quoted for the motherfucking truth

     
    #25
    bogeybrown said:
    IF! And that's a HUGE FUCKING "IF" he said what's being reported, then I don't care. You don't accidentally end up in an ODA, you fucking want to be the gleaming tip of the spear as close to the shit as anyone can get. If I'd gotten killed overseas, as a cop, whatever, my mother would've said to people that I made my decisions and got killed doing what I loved. I told my family and my teammates not to fucking dare think of me as a "victim" if I got smoked on a patrol, I made a lot of conscious choices that put me there.

    I fucking refuse to think of my dead and maimed friends as victims, they're fucking warriors who died or got fucked up in their chosen profession. The "victims" are the family left behind, and no words, regardless of their eloquence, have any meaning. Politicizing them is 100 times more offensive to me than whatever plain speak The Donald may have used.

    Personally Im so desensitized to the daily "OMG, look what Trump said" bullshit that he can SAY anything he damn well feels like and I couldn't give half a fuck. I look at what he's already DONE, and is struggling mightily to achieve, and I smile and say "That's my president". That's something I haven't been able to say for a long damn time.
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    Thank you for saving me a lot of typing, I've got vacation to finish packing for.
     
    #26
    bogeybrown said:
    Personally Im so desensitized to the daily "OMG, look what Trump said" bullshit that he can SAY anything he damn well feels like and I couldn't give half a fuck. I look at what he's already DONE, and is struggling mightily to achieve, and I smile and say "That's my president". That's something I haven't been able to say for a long damn time.
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    and the news agrees....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4993288/Almost-HALF-voters-say-media-make-Trump-stories.html

     
    #27
    If I'm not around and my kid goes out on thin ice and breaks through and falls into the freezing water, and you are around and you see the kid dying in the water and you go in to save him, you know the risks, you are likely going to break through the ice and not be able to get out either. Perhaps you hope the ice will be thin enough that you will be able to smash your way back to shore, hopefully you can. If I have to speak to your family and I say "he knew the risks" I mean that I am so thankful for your courage and your attempt to save an innocent that I just can not think of any other way to say it. So that is how I'm hearing it and I think President Trump means what I would mean.
     
    #28
    diverdon said:
    If I'm not around and my kid goes out on thin ice and breaks through and falls into the freezing water, and you arnne around and you see the kid dying in the water and you go in to save him, you know the risks, you are likely going to break through the ice and not be able to get out either. Perhaps you hope the ice will be thin enough that you will be able to smash your way back to shore, hopefully you can. If I have to speak to your family and I say "he knew the risks" I mean that I am so thankful for your courage and your attempt to save an innocent that I just can not think of any other way to say it. So that is how I'm hearing it and I think President Trump means what I would mean.
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    Well said. No one here knows the intent of Trump's words. We can choose to believe it was callous or we can believe that his intent was to extol the virtues of the men at arms who choose it as a profession and endeavor to be in the worst places and at the highest risk. I am choosing the latter. Your choice is yours'.
     
    #29
    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.​
    Ten sentences delivered in two minutes. Most likely shorter than Trumps phone call. If this could could be removed from the context of the civil war, which it can't, and applied to current conflicts, it would cause rioting in the streets. Sometimes societies evolve and sometimes they devolve. Your viewpoint defines which side you come down on.
     
    #30
    Well, I guess if you throw enough shit at the wall eventually something will stick. Congrats OP, they won.

    Also, guess what? 15 years in and counting, we all know what we signed up for, what we don't know is what was said during that conversation. I'll be damned if I'll take the word of a 74 year old, cowboy hat wearing, democrat politician about it either.


     
    #32
    A lot has been made of the Presidents alleged words. This needs to be about the fallen soldier's surviving family. The truth is, no one knows the right things to say or when to say them. Because words aren't likely to heal this kind of hurt. In 22 years working in fire, EMS, and law enforcement I've delivered this message dozens of times. It's always awkward, and I mostly feel like a piece of shit afterward. But never once were those words delivered insincerely. Especially in light of our past President's cavalier attitude toward the military, I'm willing to give our current President the benefit of the doubt.
     
    #33
    I find it difficult to believe that a President that would take on the NFL publicly over the disrespect shown our flag and those that serve or served under it would ever intentionally disrespect a military member or family.

     
    #34
    well as a vet, i have zero problems with any of what was allegedly said. Whatever was said, and however they are trying to twist it, i am 100% sure it was taken out of context or distorted.

    i'm supposed to believe a guy that has thanked military and law enforcement at every turn, is going to piss in the face of a family member of a soldier who just bought the farm?

    are you REalLY that fucking gullible? and if so, i have to ask you....who is the real asshole here? you have yourself all worked up into a tizzy over yet another hit piece that dont amount to shit. come on, man.
     
    #35
    The voting records have been opened. Wilson votes against the Mil and Vets several times over the past years.

    Stryker, I thank you for your service. I thank you for having a brain and not trusting someone just because everyone else does. I am even grateful for all those who see Trump as a bully and a douche because he is both.

    He is my douche though and could you imagine what would be happening to our heroes if Clinton was able to carry on what Obummer had done for the last 8 years?
     
    #36
    I am past listening to the braying left trying to play gotcha again.... I believe that the man was sincere as all hell in his call. And his words.

    What I am trying to figure out is how the widow was in a limo, with a whack-a-doodle congresswoman at the exact moment the call was placed (call was scheduled the day before).. and of course, the Congresscritter just happened to have her press secretary there. With CNN on speed dial. And was ready to leap on anything and everything. Let's see... leak on the schedule from the Whitehouse... some holdover deep state spy?? Another setup? And on the same day as the Uranium/e-mail/hearings are going on? And the left needs aircover? Look at the shiny object... no Clinton scandal here.

    The greatest disrespect in all this was that this grieving widow has been used in the most appalling and cynical way. An American Soldier's tragic death was turned into a 'get Trump' circus... for the most appalling reasons and by the most appalling people.

    RIP Sgt. Johnson. Along with SSG's Black, Johnson and Wright.... your country needs more like you!.

    In greatest respect and condolences,

    Sirhr
     
    #37
    sirhrmechanic said:
    I am past listening to the braying left trying to play gotcha again.... I believe that the man was sincere as all hell in his call. And his words.

    What I am trying to figure out is how the widow was in a limo, with a whack-a-doodle congresswoman at the exact moment the call was placed (call was scheduled the day before).. and of course, the Congresscritter just happened to have her press secretary there. With CNN on speed dial. And was ready to leap on anything and everything. Let's see... leak on the schedule from the Whitehouse... some holdover deep state spy?? Another setup? And on the same day as the Uranium/e-mail/hearings are going on? And the left needs aircover? Look at the shiny object... no Clinton scandal here.

    The greatest disrespect in all this was that this grieving widow has been used in the most appalling and cynical way. An American Soldier's tragic death was turned into a 'get Trump' circus... for the most appalling reasons and by the most appalling people.

    RIP Sgt. Johnson. Along with SSG's Black, Johnson and Wright.... your country needs more like you!.

    In greatest respect and condolences,

    Sirhr
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    That Cowboy Hat wearing B!tch knows that that dead soldier will now vote for her forever. A Win Win for her convoluted ass.
     
    #38
    Stryker, I've read your posts for years now, and I just don't get this one. Neither you nor I know what was actually said. We DO know that the congresswoman has a PROVEN inability to speak the truth and as dedicated an anti-Trump agenda as ever existed. We DO know that context matters at least as much as words, and the context of these alleged statements could be taken as opposite meanings. We DO know that the media will slash Trump at every opportunity they are given, and will even invent opportunities when they don't exist. We DO know that Trump is, by past actions and words, more supportive of our military and LE than anything we've seen from the Left in a long time.

    So, the proven liar (whom Sirhr rightly points out just "happened" to be there?) creates her own narrative of what was said. We are to believe she's now telling the truth for once? And you are willing to believe her enough to go off in a fit of rage?

    Yet, we also happen to have Gen. Kelley on the other end of the phone call. A man who has lost his OWN son to the same war, and knows more about what's going on over there than you or I ever will. He ALSO heard everything said in that conversation, and has emphatically stated that Trump said absolutely nothing inappropriate or disrespectful, and was genuine in his sympathy.

    So you jump off the deep end and believe that walking piece of trash over a decorated General who lost his own son to the same effort? Again, I just don't get this one, buddy. I mean, I can see how you might say that both sides are putting their spin on it, but for some reason you picked a side and dove in with both feet, without giving so much as a second thought to the other (much more likely) side.

    2AFan - perhaps you may have forgotten...Obama was a hell of a speaker, and sounded intelligent ONLY when he was on the prompter. When he got off, he often revealed himself to be a complete idiot. "Police acted stupidly," "You didn't build that," "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility..." etc, etc.

    Bogey - Holy crap, dude. You could put that post right under the OP, delete all the other posts and lock the thread right there. Well done!

    Edit: Forgot to say, this is straight out of the Left's playbook. The next play is to find a way to blame the soldiers' actual deaths on Trump. That plan is being made as we discuss this now. Wait for it...
     
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    #40
    If you haven't heard his speech you better look it up...I think General Kelly just made the last statement regarding this.

    Wish we had men like Kelly run for POTUS. He would put some honor and backbone back into the country.
     
    #41
    What I hate is the fact that this POS congress woman used this soldier's death to further badger the president and attempt to undermine the country even more. Additionally, are local news cameras always on the tarmac filming grieving family members as they meet they're loved ones who made the ultimate sacrifice come home? Or is it just this one? Honestly, I don't know. But I doubt it. Again, I hate to use this person's sacrifice to accuse the left of yet another attempt to undermine this country, but from what i see it looks exactly like that.
     
    #42
    If you find Gen. Kellys full statement he excoriates a list of things in the "New Age" that were once considered sacred but have now become cheap and in play.

    His statement regards the men and women in Arlington points to a burden he lives with, a burden that the people that surround him could never shoulder.

     
    #44
    General Kelly just hit it out of the park....

    They addressed the issue about cameras at Dover, too, yesterday. One of the mothers of a Six guy who was killed in the big chopper crash c. 2013 said that the families had welcomed the last President to meet them at Dover, on the condition that there be no cameras. Naturally, Obama showed up with a full press retinue, wept for a moment on camera and then buggered off after his photo op. She was on the radio yesterday and furious.

    Anyway, this Congresswoman set this up... IMHO it was totally designed as a "gotcha." How cynical is that... to use a grieving widow tor a 'gotcha' moment. What a piece of slime.

    Sirhr
     
    #46
    agreed but therein lies the next problem. We (the people) will finally get sick of the garbage news and try to "fix" unsubstantiated stories through quickly written, little to no thought knee-jerk legislature and before we know it we will effectively have limited or snuffed out our first amendment right. In the interest of maintaining truth and integrity of course. Hitler did this early in his rise to power. freedom of speech, assembly, press etc.....were all taken. left's wet dream realized.
     
    #48
    srtsam said:
    agreed but therein lies the next problem. We (the people) will finally get sick of the garbage news and try to "fix" unsubstantiated stories through quickly written, little to no thought knee-jerk legislature and before we know it we will effectively have limited or snuffed out our first amendment right. In the interest of maintaining truth and integrity of course. Hitler did this early in his rise to power. freedom of speech, assembly, press etc.....were all taken. left's wet dream realized.
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    Well the thing is....it doesn't require legislation......all we need to due is change the channel.
     
    #50
    If looks could falcon punch....

    Green Beret to her right....
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