i talked to seekins this week and unfortunately it looks like the sp10 builder kits are being permanently discontinued as far as they can see. So if you see anyone selling one and it's real, snatch it up.
SP10 builder kits discontinued
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This is also a good deal
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Stag 10 Assembled Upper/Lower Combo Right Handed - FDE Cerakote
NOTE: Please anticipate longer lead times due to the high demand for our products.
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You forgot Mega MML. Both are solid! And unfortunately both seem to be outgood deal yes but the sp10 is the gold standard
I hope Icon does release small and large frame monolithic uppers now.
I am hoping for that too! i guess for now there's always the JP LRI-20 upperYou forgot Mega MML. Both are solid! And unfortunately both seem to be out
I hope Icon does release small and large frame monolithic uppers now.
Possibly to build full rifles for sale for $3k-$4K+
Maybe pressure from Europtic and/or other retailers as kits may take business away from them.
i think it might also be high demand for the kits and not being able to keep up withthat demand in addition to the factory rifles they makePossibly to build full rifles for sale for $3k-$4K+
Maybe pressure from Europtic and/or other retailers as kits may take business away from them.
Exactly. That’s what I was inferring initially based on a discussion with a sales rep a year or so ago. The pressure from retail is just a thought and not validated.
And zev No longer has the MNL stuff on their mega arms page. So I guess right now if you’re going for a semi monolithic design, you would have to go with either JP or aero
Damn, we only have one Spartan/CS SP10 builds left and I can't afford it right now
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ughhhhhhh i wish it was 6.5 creed!!!Damn, we only have one Spartan/CS SP10 builds left and I can't afford it right now
SOLD - Spartan Precision/CS Tactical SP10 .308
Spartan Precision/CS Tactical SP10 .308 $3,850.00 https://cstactical.com/spartan-sp10-308win/ SPARTAN PRECISION RIFLES produced a very limited & exclusive run of precision SP10, yes at this time CS Tactical is the only place you can purchase one of these fast-hitting scalpels. SPARTAN...
i'm probably going with the SCI-20 with the matching ambi lower and a 17.25" mkIII handguard with 15" arca rail
They were for department builds to be used with a suppressor, originally we built up 6.5CM's that were not as consistently reliable with their chosen department ammo. These ones ran very well
On the topic of Aero https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/aero-precision-going-out-of-business-or.7246567/
In short, unless its in stock at LGS - it will be a wild waiting game if ordering direct
This really sucks. Seekins makes one of the best platforms for rifle builds in small and large frame. Not everyone wants their canned rifles. It's really foolish IMO, as they could sell damn near everyone they make.
In which case they will just go with something other than Seekins. A guy who is going to put a $8-1200 custom barrel on their AR will go with another option.
you're exactly right. For the monolithic or semi monolithic options, unless ZEV puts the Mega MML stuff back on their site, you're mostly stuck with JP For the LRI-20 upper or the LRP-07 set, or go with aero m5 enhanced upper with a sgt of arms arca forend. Unfortunately for Aero, I don't trust their QC at all, so for my needs JP seems to be the best option, at least for a custom build.
They're perpetually backordered which suggests they already sell every one they make. From what I understand they have to reduce output of rifles to sell builder kits.
Well considering I can buy rifles in stock at any time, but not kits, then how is that a problem? I am sure the margin is a bit better on Rifles but there is much less that goes into making them as well. Focusing on putting out as many Builder kits as possible would be a great way to move a ton of product. Also, people are much more likely to buy 2, 3, 4, 8 builders kits to make rifles than buy more than 1 or 2 factory rifles.
Seekins doesn't sell SP10's direct. If an SP10 is in stock at a retailer it is because it was already purchased from Seekins. Perhaps the real issue is retailers don't want to order builder kits? It sounds like there could be a business opportunity for you, send Seekins an email explaining you would like to cut them a PO for 1000 units, no terms. I bet they'll take your order.
Is Glen still active on the page? I know he used to be. Maybe he could shed some light on this. Id really like to order an SP-10 in 260 rem but that too was discontinued.
It is a bad marketing strategy to discontinue the builder kit.
if everyone email them to bring them back. maybe they'll listen
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if everyone email them to bring them back. maybe they'll listen
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I'll see no difference three separate times I tried to get one for 6 months each and struck out every time. They are never in stock. As said above I sent with something else as most do
What are the other options for monolithic/semi monolithic other than LMT?
Bummer that these are no longer available..
Bummer that these are no longer available..
Aero, Ridgeline. Rumor is mega might make a comeback and 419 was teasing some AR-15 barrel nut deflection test so I'm sure they are working on something.
I've got one SP10 Builder's Kit left...
Just finished building it up with:
Proof 20" SS 6.5 CM barrel
JP FMOS BCG w/ Enhanced Bolt
JP SCS Heavy H-2
Trigger Tech Diamond trigger (1.75 LB)
SLR Adjustable Gas Block
HUXWRX 7.62 brake
Accuracy Int'l Dark Earth Cerakote
I'll try to get some pictures this week.
Just finished building it up with:
Proof 20" SS 6.5 CM barrel
JP FMOS BCG w/ Enhanced Bolt
JP SCS Heavy H-2
Trigger Tech Diamond trigger (1.75 LB)
SLR Adjustable Gas Block
HUXWRX 7.62 brake
Accuracy Int'l Dark Earth Cerakote
I'll try to get some pictures this week.
Please get some pics! That sounds similar to what i'll be doing except a VMOS and a benchmark barrel and probably a hawkins updraft brake for PRS use and a VENT 1 direct thread for suppressed use
Seekins SP-10 builders kit. 24" Mullerworks as heavy as possible with a .936 fixed gas block. Journal is a friction fit. +2 length. Gas port ended up being .083" to lock back on a mag with my NRL Hunter ammo. 140 Hybrid, 39.5gr H4350 in Alpha SRP brass. JP LoMass BCG, SCS with 3 tungsten buffers, TT Diamond. Hawkins updraft in 6.5mm. 3lbs of weights added. Weighs 20lbs as pictured. It runs about 35fps slower than my 25" NRL Hunter barrel but it just crossed the 100rd mark this morning after it's first cleaning at 75rds.
The barrel extension was a challenge. I went through 4 extensions and ended up getting a prototype extension that was cut with shallow feed ramps. I'm not sure what it's original purpose was but it's what's required to feed Hybrids and ATIPs without jamming or jacking up the tip. My gunsmith softened the lugs until there were no scratches on the bullet. He also cut the port in a groove and throated it for a 2.800" coal at the lands. Dude went above and beyond.
The barrel extension was a challenge. I went through 4 extensions and ended up getting a prototype extension that was cut with shallow feed ramps. I'm not sure what it's original purpose was but it's what's required to feed Hybrids and ATIPs without jamming or jacking up the tip. My gunsmith softened the lugs until there were no scratches on the bullet. He also cut the port in a groove and throated it for a 2.800" coal at the lands. Dude went above and beyond.
Is there a proprietary barrel/receiver interface on these that doesn't work precisely with standard barrel extensions from criterion/proof/etc?
random though. anyone that does 6.5 in their gas guns. anyone see a benefit of a 7.5 twist over an 8 twist in 6.5 creed?
According to Bergers stability calculator:
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Assuming you're heaviest bullet is likely a 140 Hybrid given the AR mag restriction:
At my altitude it makes no difference. 6000ft asl
At sea level in the summer it makes no difference
At sea level in the winter, you could lose some of your BC to marginal stability with an 8 twist
2700(12/7.5)60= 259K rpms
Doesn't hurt anything to go with a 7.5 and it may help depending on your location. Disclaimer: This is all predictions and calculations. I have no personal experience or empirical testing with one twist vs the other and at my altitude I wouldn't be able to see the difference if I did.
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Assuming you're heaviest bullet is likely a 140 Hybrid given the AR mag restriction:
At my altitude it makes no difference. 6000ft asl
At sea level in the summer it makes no difference
At sea level in the winter, you could lose some of your BC to marginal stability with an 8 twist
2700(12/7.5)60= 259K rpms
Doesn't hurt anything to go with a 7.5 and it may help depending on your location. Disclaimer: This is all predictions and calculations. I have no personal experience or empirical testing with one twist vs the other and at my altitude I wouldn't be able to see the difference if I did.
Gotcha! I'll be using berger 144's from eagle eye. i saw riflebarrelblanks have 7.5 twist CRB barrels. i have an 8 twist benchmark being spun up and wasnt sure if i'd see a benefit living in the southern US(alabama, sometimes shoot in texas) with a 7.5 twist
