Speer Target Match Grade Tips (Dont Buy)

[144:1]

I recently bought three 100 tip boxes from three separate distributers. One local where I live and two from online. I, like Im sure many, weigh each tip down to .1 grain and box them accordingly.

With the Speer Target Match grade I found them NOT/NOT to be a match grade quality tip. Each box ranged from 167.1 grain to 168.2 grain. I have posted photos to prove my findings. I would expect this from non match grade tips. In one of the photos I show the range of 100 tips from 167.1 - 168.2. I have one weight 167.8 grains (which isnt even the 168 grain advertised) with enough for 20 rounds that is unacceptable in my book.

Three boxes from three distributors on three separate dates. Speer couldnt make this right if they tried. Im sure all their batchs of match grade are like this.

I would not recommend these as a Match Grade tips.

 

[McLarenross]

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Hate to tell a man but SMKs and A-Maxs are the same way. Ive never weighed Scenars but I bet they arent much better. I just sort them by 0.1gr lots and use the outer ends for my fouler/noncritical loads.

 

[noahmercy]

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And they shot how?

I've shot bugholes at 100 yards with bullets that varied by over <span style="font-style: italic">three</span> grains. Groups at 400 were <span style="font-style: italic">very</span> respectable. I seriously doubt the groups with the bullets you're categorically dismissing (based on one factor) would show dramatic vertical dispersion due to a grain of weight variation until you move out past 600 yards.

 

[144:1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And they shot how?

I've shot bugholes at 100 yards with bullets that varied by over <span style="font-style: italic">three</span> grains. Groups at 400 were <span style="font-style: italic">very</span> respectable. I seriously doubt the groups with the bullets you're categorically dismissing (based on one factor) would show dramatic vertical dispersion due to a grain of weight variation until you move out past 600 yards.

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You're missing the point of my post. Match grade bullets should not have this large of a variation in weight.

 

[144:1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McLarenRoss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hate to tell a man but SMKs and A-Maxs are the same way. Ive never weighed Scenars but I bet they arent much better. I just sort them by 0.1gr lots and use the outer ends for my fouler/noncritical loads. </div></div>

Wow, I have nothing but good things to say about Sierra Match Kings. I weighed 1000 and had a .3 variation, 174.9, 175, and 175.1

I just bought some scenars this evening. I'll let you know.

 

[wfjames22]

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WTF is a match grade tip?

 

[turbo54]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is a match grade tip? </div></div>

Obviously he means bullet - but "tip" is a new one by me too...

I've never weighed 1000 matchkings, because I was satisfied after ten that went something like this: 168.0, 168.0, 168.02, 168.0, 168.0, 168.0, 167.98, 168.0, 168.0........

 

[doubled]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently bought three 100 tip boxes from three separate distributers. One local where I live and two from online. I, like Im sure many, weigh each tip down to .1 grain and box them accordingly.

With the Speer Target Match grade I found them NOT/NOT to be a match grade quality tip. Each box ranged from 167.1 grain to 168.2 grain. I have posted photos to prove my findings. I would expect this from non match grade tips. In one of the photos I show the range of 100 tips from 167.1 - 168.2. I have one weight 167.8 grains (which isnt even the 168 grain advertised) with enough for 20 rounds that is unacceptable in my book.

Three boxes from three distributors on three separate dates. Speer couldnt make this right if they tried. Im sure all their batchs of match grade are like this.

I would not recommend these as a Match Grade tips. </div></div>

can you really tell a 1.1 grain weight difference (maximim difference) from trigger pull to POI? I highly doubt it. I'm a newbie to all of this, granted, but it seems like there are some REALLY SUPER ANAL things that people do that have no real value. pick the low hanging fruit first.

 

[doubled]

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that's not a dig either, its a serious question.. do you really think 1.1 grains of weight (extreme spread) can make a noticeable POI impact given all the other factors in play?

 

[vonbalkenbush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Wow, I have nothing but good things to say about Sierra Match Kings. I weighed 1000 and had a .3 variation, 174.9, 175, and 175.1

I just bought some scenars this evening. I'll let you know. </div></div>

Holy s**t! you weighed 1000 SMK's?! Unless you're competing on a regional level, I'd spend that time shooting instead of weighing bullets. It'll be time better spent in the long run. A 1.0 grn varriation from 3 different lot's is not much at all. Like someone already said, you would be hard pressed to see any difference in group size or vertical stringing from this one variable until you're consistently shooting out past 600 yds and recording your group sizes.

-SBS

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is a match grade tip? </div></div>
It is a common term used by people who make ridiculous posts about weighing match grade bullets. If he was using a Juenke ICC he would probably have called them bullets. Just use your powder dump or thrower to load some powder behind those tips and shoot them.

 

[144:1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is a match grade tip? </div></div>
It is a common term used by people who make ridiculous posts about weighing match grade bullets. If he was using a Juenke ICC he would probably have called them bullets. Just use your powder dump or thrower to load some powder behind those tips and shoot them. </div></div>

Always have one dick ready to jump on those who share. Weight difference will play a roll just as if you measured each bullet or "tip" length and separated them accordingly.

Hey lets jump on the guy who took the time to point something out about a manufacture who claims to have a Match Grade product. Not hey thanks for taking the time to figure it out.

Its unappreciative pricks like yourself who cause people on the fence who find something out about a product not to share for fear of redicule. I will continue to provide feedback and post pictures of my findings for those who find it useful anyone who doesnt can troll on.

 

[144:1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doubled</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that's not a dig either, its a serious question.. do you really think 1.1 grains of weight (extreme spread) can make a noticeable POI impact given all the other factors in play? </div></div>

As you state "all the other factors" why wouldnt you eliminate as many as you can that you can control

 

[Niles Coyote]

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But is .995% good enough? JBM shows no difference in impact down to a tenth of an inch at 1000 yards with a bullet weight between 168.1 and 167.0

 

[MinorDamage]

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How did they shoot?

Josh

 

[doubled]

Re: Speer Target Match Grade Tips (Dont Buy)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doubled</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that's not a dig either, its a serious question.. do you really think 1.1 grains of weight (extreme spread) can make a noticeable POI impact given all the other factors in play? </div></div>

As you state "all the other factors" why wouldnt you eliminate as many as you can that you can control</div></div>

well like Coyote says... "JBM shows no difference in impact down to a tenth of an inch at 1000 yards with a bullet weight between 168.1 and 167.0"

I'd rather spend the effort and time spent weighing bullets on a dry fire exercise. I see no value in putting effort or energy into sorting bullets that have a maximum spread of 1.1 grains of weight.

 

[Fuzzball]

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"You're missing the point of my post. Match grade bullets should not have this large of a variation in weight."

144, I'm no great fan of Speer but expecting 'watch maker's' precision in mass produced bullets of any brand is sure to lead to dissapointment. The price for the precision you seem to expect would be prohibitive for most shooters. And, bottom line, such tiny variations in weight or "tips" are meaningless for most purposes.


Bullets have tips but tips are not bullets. Cartridges have bullets but bullets are not cartridges.

 

[bohem]

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Here's the conservative estimated velocity change for a given change in bullet weight


Mass_1/Mass_2 = sqrt(MV_2^2/MV_1^2)

If you take a 168.00gr bullet at a nominal velocity of 2700fps and you put in your outliers at 167.1 and 168.2 that gives the following velocity difference from bullet mass variation:

167.1 = 2714 fps
168.2 = 2697 fps

The 17fps spread across those bullet weights turns into a variation in drop/drift of 2.9"/0.2" at 800yd

From the nominal value of 2700fps it's actually only 0.5" on the slower one and 2.4" on the faster one for the drop.

If those variations at 800yd stop you from being competitive then it's time to move up to a custom bullet and/or a larger caliber.

Until then, worry less about the bullets and more about the trigger time.

ETA: Match grade is large considered in the industry to be less than 1% variance and a lot of serious shooters take it to be <0.5% or better.

This is not measured for individual pieces but at the chronograph and target. 17fps spread on 2700fps nominal is 0.62% variance (1.1gr on 168gr is 0.65% variance). Therefore, the bullets are technically match grade using the conservative formula above.

I have checked Hornady, Sierra, Nosler, Berger and they all have variance in them. It does not matter a bit if the bullet says "168" on the box but the overall average on the lot is 167.5, what matters is how consistent they are. The consistency here is more important on seating depth, bullet length, powder charge, meplat size, and far and away.... shooter skill.

 

[tomcatfan]

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I'm not trying to talk bad about you in any way I just want to point out some facts. Based on the weight range you posted, there is less than one percent variance in the entire range of weights you measured. If you work out the math there is .53% variance on the low side and .11% variance on the high side of your weights from the advertised 168 grain. From an engineering standpoint, any thing mass produced with less than 1% variance is pretty damn impressive. Before we start slamming bullet companies on here, lets put that into perspetive. With that being said, I really would like to hear how they shoot.

I don't know about your reloading process, but I have more than 1% variance in my brass (internal volume), in my primer pocket seating pressure, and in my neck sizing pressure. Even if my bullet varies even a couple of grains, I am still messing up the total process more than my bullets can.

If you can, please post how the extremes shoot. However that would be extremely hard to track back to the bullets alone as there are so many other variables in the process.

Just my $0.02.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is a match grade tip? </div></div>
It is a common term used by people who make ridiculous posts about weighing match grade bullets. If he was using a Juenke ICC he would probably have called them bullets. Just use your powder dump or thrower to load some powder behind those tips and shoot them. </div></div>

Always have one dick ready to jump on those who share. Weight difference will play a roll just as if you measured each bullet or "tip" length and separated them accordingly.

Hey lets jump on the guy who took the time to point something out about a manufacture who claims to have a Match Grade product. Not hey thanks for taking the time to figure it out.

Its unappreciative pricks like yourself who cause people on the fence who find something out about a product not to share for fear of redicule. I will continue to provide feedback and post pictures of my findings for those who find it useful anyone who doesnt can troll on. </div></div>
I thionk you miss the point. You didn't share a goddamned thing that anyone thought surprising. Yes I am a dick when it comes to people using incorrect terminology to describe their attempt at what they perceive as "advanced loading techniques". So sorry I did not appreciate your effort and bow to your superior intellect. You have maligned a company and a product with no actual evidence. You have been nicley told by several thet you are off the mark and don't know what you are talking about. That has not dampened your effort to insist you know what the fuck you are talking about. You can take your cape off now Superman but please don't let me discourage you from protecting us from evil bullet companies like Speer in the future...carry on hero.

 

[wfjames22]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Always have one dick ready to jump on those who share. <span style="font-weight: bold">Weight difference will play a roll</span> just as if you measured each bullet or "tip" length and separated them accordingly.

Hey lets jump on the guy who took the time to point something out about a manufacture who claims to have a Match Grade product. Not hey thanks for taking the time to figure it out.</div></div>

Hey thanks for telling us that there is a variance in the weight of bulk manufactured bullets with a "match grade" moniker....surprise, sur-fucking-prise. You didnt really tell "us" shit because you only told "us" (as if we didnt know) that there is a weight variance. Your "review" of these bullets would be worth something to someone (I dont have a fucking clue to who) if you had shown how this played a role (accuracy difference) with the variance you observed.

Otherwise, lets call a spade a spade and just agree that it was to add to your already useless posts over the past month so you could get to 100 and post that DPMS in the guns for sale section.

 

[144:1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Always have one dick ready to jump on those who share. <span style="font-weight: bold">Weight difference will play a roll</span> just as if you measured each bullet or "tip" length and separated them accordingly.

Hey lets jump on the guy who took the time to point something out about a manufacture who claims to have a Match Grade product. Not hey thanks for taking the time to figure it out.</div></div>

Hey thanks for telling us that there is a variance in the weight of bulk manufactured bullets with a "match grade" moniker....surprise, sur-fucking-prise. You didnt really tell "us" shit because you only told "us" (as if we didnt know) that there is a weight variance. Your "review" of these bullets would be worth something to someone (I dont have a fucking clue to who) if you had shown how this played a role (accuracy difference) with the variance you observed.

Otherwise, lets call a spade a spade and just agree that it was to add to your already useless posts over the past month so you could get to 100 and post that DPMS in the guns for sale section. </div></div>

The DPMS post was intentional. Considering this is not an AR forum I was wondering how long it would take before a non-moderator pointed that out, but a moderator or admin wouldn’t because it falls within the rules of the site. I have a gun broker account and would also rather sell it in my local gun shop. I saw another guy who posted on here get jumped all over when he reached 100 posts and used the website to sell an item. Guess you feel you are entitled to bashing someone because you have more posts. It clearly states 100 posts to use that particular forum. If you have issues with it then appeal to the Sniper Hide Gods to get it changed. Otherwise keep your comments to yourself. The sale of an AR has nothing to do with this forum.

I have made several valuable posts that many have found very useful, you should have done better research of my posts before looking like an idiot. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of disrespect people show to others when they have the ability to hide behind a computer. I’m sure the next post from you or "armorpl8chikn" (whatever the hell that name means) will be "well I will show you how tough I am I can beat your ass lets meet up." Also to Armorpl8chikn I never claimed to be any better or smarter or have infinite wisdom about a product. I simple posted something I perceived to be an issue. Also if you read my posts never once did I come back at any post but yours. I’m glad I could be your punching bag for the evening I hope you feel better now that you could get it all out. Next time try getting laid or exercise. There is a better way to go about informing someone about the worth of their post, like others have above, rather than attempting to be a "tough guy with an attitude."

When I have the ability to go out to the range I will let those who requested know how they perform. I can’t wait to see the posts you two intellects come up with next. Please don’t resist the urge to not post it’s not within the two brain cells you hold between either of your ears. Clearly evolution has passed the two of you up. Let the bashing begin.

 

[wfjames22]

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You have confirmed that you are a tool, thanks. Shouldnt you be weighing primers/measuring Varget kernel lengths/etc, preparing to enlighten the members of snipershide on another groundbreaking issue?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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Let me get this straight. You refer to bullets as tips and accuse a 29year veteran of reloading and 20 year veteran of competition shooting as having one brain cell.
As to my screen name that you need to belittle had you read my profile you may have learned that I shoot steel...lots of steel. I could tell you exactly what the name means but I doubt we will become friendly enough for that.
I am not hiding behind my computer, there are quite a few members here who have met me face to face. I will not challenge you to a fight but I am more than happy to invite you to shoot against me at a steel match.
I made reference to a real piece of equipment for checking how good a bullet really is and you called me a dick. You sir are the one hiding behind your computer making questionable claims about the quality of certain bullets and calling people you do not know names.
Speer bullets are quite satisfactory. They are not widely known for their match grade bullets. The bullets are not Sierra quality, I am sure, but that does not mean they are not within specifications attributed to match grade. If you don't like Speer bullets and they do not meet YOUR specifications don't buy them. It is irresponsible to tell 100,000 people that Speer match bullets are garbage because you weighed 300 of them and found a 1.1gr spread.
I made reference to your superior intellect because you did in fact argue that some had missed the point of your post and that match grade bullets do not have a 1.1gr variance in weight. Everyone has told you in this thread you are wrong.
You started this thread. If you look foolish it is not my post that did that. You say your desire was to educate and your title refers to bullets as "tips". If one desires to teach first one must be educated, quite frankly you did not want to be told you were wrong professor.

 

[144:1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me get this straight. You refer to bullets as tips and accuse a 29year veteran of reloading and 20 year veteran of competition shooting as having one brain cell.
As to my screen name that you need to belittle had you read my profile you may have learned that I shoot steel...lots of steel. I could tell you exactly what the name means but I doubt we will become friendly enough for that.
I am not hiding behind my computer, there are quite a few members here who have met me face to face. I will not challenge you to a fight but I am more than happy to invite you to shoot against me at a steel match.
I made reference to a real piece of equipment for checking how good a bullet really is and you called me a dick. You sir are the one hiding behind your computer making questionable claims about the quality of certain bullets and calling people you do not know names.
Speer bullets are quite satisfactory. They are not widely known for their match grade bullets. The bullets are not Sierra quality, I am sure, but that does not mean they are not within specifications attributed to match grade. If you don't like Speer bullets and they do not meet YOUR specifications don't buy them. It is irresponsible to tell 100,000 people that Speer match bullets are garbage because you weighed 300 of them and found a 1.1gr spread.
I made reference to your superior intellect because you did in fact argue that some had missed the point of your post and that match grade bullets do not have a 1.1gr variance in weight. Everyone has told you in this thread you are wrong.
You started this thread. If you look foolish it is not my post that did that. You say your desire was to educate and your title refers to bullets as "tips". If one desires to teach first one must be educated, quite frankly you did not want to be told you were wrong professor. </div></div>


Bravo!!!! Now that was a more respectful way of conveying your feelings, looks like you have more chromosones afterall. Im impressed! If you claim to have the experience of someone with as many years as you say you do I would think your initial responses (the both of you) would have been much different. My accusation of having one brain cell is toward your ability to convey what you are thinking not your reloading experience. Take your hostilities to someone who will entertain them. I have no further interest in conversing with either of you any further. As stated previously I will post a range report of the bullets performance.

 

[1SMALLJOHNSON]

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Holy cripe. How bullets go flying thru the air is not only controlled by weight. It's a combination of coefficient of form, dynamic balance and sectional density. This combination is more commonly referred to as "ballistic coefficient". Measuring the weight of bullets is a gross means of determining variation in sectional density, but it won't tell you enough of the story to make a hill of beans difference in your outcome.

Bear in mind, a GRAIN of weight is 1/7000 of a pound. Common to OTM bullets, the tips (oh boy, I said "tip") can have some variation in overall length. One side of the tip can climb up higher than the other. The "flaw" is common to all OTM configurations. Now, you've got to ask yourself, "Where can this weight variation come from?" Could it be from the tip? Another question: have you ever cut one of these bullets in half with a band saw? If so, you've seen the lead formed inside the jacket. What does the "tip" (ichi, ichi, ichi, pa-tang, WOOF, bauuu!) of that lead look like? Could you get some variation there?

OK, so we've seen some potential places where weight variation could occur. It could also occur from voids in the lead, variation in jacket thickness, or even impurities in either gilding metal or core.

What makes a difference? Bear in mind that this bullet is spinning at wickedly fast RPM's as it's going down range. Let's play "Mister Science".

A lug nut, some heavy string, duct tape and a car with it's hub cap removed.

Attach a lug nut to the string, the other end of the string to a lug stud. Good knots here, like a boline. Duct tape that lug nut to the tire, all the way out towards the tread. Go for a short drive, increasing your speed as you go. Can you feel something funny? Hmmmm? OK, stop the car. Take that same lug nut, and thread it on top of another lug nut on a lug stud. Get back in car and drive at the same speed. Notice anything?

What does all this have to do with bullets? You just witnessed the affect of weight distribution and dynamic balance on a rotating mass.

If the weight difference in those bullets is due to bullet "tip" (Nih! Nih!), then likely that weight change will have little affect on the dynamic balance (ballistic coefficient) and not impede the frontal area of that bullet. Conversely, if the weight change is due to some inclusion or void near the outer portion of the bullet (near full caliber), then you MIGHT see a difference.

So you see, the Juenke machine does just as it should. It can effectively cull bullets, whereas weighing bullets can show you GROSS problems, it doesn't show you where those gross problems lurk.

Y'all have a nice day.

Credit to Monty Python where credit is due.....

 

[MinorDamage]

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So, how did they shoot?

Josh

 

[ubet]

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Op, you have been given some good advice but obviously just want to rant. You are so lost in the "noise" that you cant see the forest through the trees.

If your form/position, wind/atmosphere reading are so good, and your shooting skills so abundant as to be able to notice a less than 1% difference in the BULLET weight, why are you using speer bullets and not a custom hand turned? A mass produced anything is never going to have as tight of tolerances as handmades, you are asking something out of a product/manufacturer, that is unattainable.

But yet, you wish to come onto this site, of 50k members and bash a company. For god sakes you didnt even buy the same lot. How do you know the other bullets in the same lot that you didnt buy arent going to weigh out better, gasp. I have a feeling your time would be better spent dry firing, jacking off, or sitting on your head with pancakes duct taped to your feet as opposed to weighing "match" bullets from a company who isnt known for their match bullets.

But hey thats just me, I try to keep things practical and simple.

 

[Rob01]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It clearly states 100 posts to use that particular forum.
</div></div>

Actually it states:

1. Minimum of 100 posts. You must contribute to this site in a positive manner. "LOL" does not count as a contribution to this site. Those attempting to pad their post count in order to meet the minimum post requirements will be banned from the site for no less than 30 days.


Positive manner.

Now everyone step back and take a breath.

OP you might want to answer Minor Damage as he has the best question here. You can weigh bullets until your fingers bleed but it doesn't tell you what they will do at the range. I have never weighed a bullet in my life and don't plan to start and never had a problem hitting anything.

 

[Fuzzball]

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" As stated previously I will post a range report of the bullets performance. "

144, just a suggestion for posting your future unsatisfactory 'observations'; perhaps a range report WOULD add a measure of value? And maybe not with input from that bullet standing alone but as compared to the results of other bullets fired from your rifle, just so we might actually be aware of how much effect the bullet you are reporting on has? Meaning, your well intended 'tip' that we "(Don't Buy)" and "I would not recommend these as a Match Grade tips" without a clue how they will shoot, even for you, nor how they may compare to others of simular type doesn't mean much. (Well, actually it means nothing.)

And even then, always understand that experienced loaders know that blanket reloading projections are worth no more than what we pay for 'web info. Just because a specific bullet does extra well or extra poorly in an individual rifle is absolutely no guide of how the same bullet may perform in another rifle. Perhaps informative high precision reloaders such as yourself should be using custom handmade target 'tips' rather than the bulk machine made stuff the rest of us use anyway.

As a personal observation, I've never noticed that many people pay any attention to anyone's post count instead of reading what they say for its own value. ??

 

[144:1]

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Well if I have made a mistake then delete the thread. Thank you to those who respectfully and maturely argued my error.

Rob I haven't padded my posts. I already stated why I posted the DPMS. If you feel the need to delete then delete it as my point was already proven.

 

[Short Round]

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144,

I'm sorry but when you use "Tips" instead of bullets your post lost credibility to me. Using informal and obviously unappreciated jargon like that in this forum doesn't usually go over too well. You certainly know that now.

Moving on, do go ahead and test those Speer bullets out in a good platform and post a nice write up. Perhaps try some loads with sorted by weight bullets versus non sorted or even worse; bullets from each weight extreme mixed. Possibly compare them in the same platform next to your known best performer(s) with SMK's, Bergers or Lapuas. Repeat them several times for scientific credibility. Then post whether the data supports your original hypothesis or not. That would be an entertaining read.

good shooting.

 

[Queequeg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It clearly states 100 posts to use that particular forum.
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Actually it states:

1. Minimum of 100 posts. You must contribute to this site in a positive manner. "LOL" does not count as a contribution to this site. Those attempting to pad their post count in order to meet the minimum post requirements will be banned from the site for no less than 30 days.


Positive manner.

Now everyone step back and take a breath.

OP you might want to answer Minor Damage as he has the best question here. You can weigh bullets until your fingers bleed but it doesn't tell you what they will do at the range. I have never weighed a bullet in my life and don't plan to start and never had a problem hitting anything. </div></div>

But what about the primers man? Surely these must be weighed and given Irish girl's names before loading for best accuracy right?