Gunsmithing SPS Tactical facelift experiment at S.A.C.

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Shooters,

There is always lots of interest in blueprinting and setting back factory barrels on rifles in order to save some money here and there and save for a full blown build. So I figured I would donate one of my personal rifles for this experiment and just see if I was able to see an increase in accuracy.

Some would argue (I have in the past) that setting factory barrels back is not worth the money. This is still true in my opinion, but if you insist on doing this due to your specific circumstances, then it is still a decent option (after considering a few factors of your rifle/barrel)

Here are my findings from this specific rifle that I worked on.


-I first checked the stock/action relationship. There was actually little to no stress being applied to the action from the stock.

-The receiver face and bolt locking lugs in the action were very untrue. They were squared up, the threads were left alone because we need the factory barrel to screw back on correctly.

-Bolt lugs, bolt face and bolt nose were cleaned and trued up. I only cleaned up the bolt nose because this is a .223 bolt and has plenty of material on the face and around the O.D. of the nose.

-New measurements were taken off the action and the barrel was set back .2000". The factory chamber was borescoped and the throat/chamber was not concentric with the bore. The barrel was re-chambered and throated to my specs, borescoped and final barrel work was completed. The new chamber/throat was clean and concentric to the bore.

-A surface ground Remington 700 recoil lug was installed.

-The muzzle was crowned concentric to the bore and then threaded for 1/2x28 TPI.

- X Mark Pro trigger was tuned to 2 3/4 LBS

For testing I attached a YHM 30 Cal Phantom and used a Leupold Mk4 ERT 6.5x20x50. Target range was 287 yards, pictured below was a 3 shot group.

I also engaged a 10x17" steel target at 500 and was getting groups less than 2" on steel.

Load used for testing was developed for another rifle, Hornady Brass, 25.3 Gr of RE-15, 69 SMK seated at 1.905 measuring with a bullet comparator.

Here are some pictures.

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Accuracy increased greatly and this rifle can sure shoot.
 
Re: SPS Tactical facelift experiment at S.A.C.

It was around a 1 MOA rifle from the testing I did before. I tried to shoot some Hornady 75 BTHP match though it and the 1-9" twist did not like it at all. I did some minor load develpment but I didn't want to waste too much time and components on it.

When I got this rifle I checked it over and the chamber/throat was not concentric, so I knew it would most likely not want to shoot correctly.

In addition, just about every Remington I have ever seen can benefit from truing the action face and putting a surface ground recoil lug in. I knew this one was no exception.

Mark
 
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Nice job Mark.

I did just a couple of those things to my SPS and it makes it feel like a custom rifle.
Just cutting and recrowning the barrel at 20 or 21" makes it feel/look so much better.
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Factory SPS with the barrel cut and recrowned at 21", a AZPrecision bolt knob, and a few improvements on hardware. Shoots half minute with 95gr VLDs and 42gr H4350.



Anyone who owns an SPS and wants it to feel and look one hell of a lot better, send it to Mark. He'll do a great job and its very much worth it in my opinion
 
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Thanks Keith, BTW, I need a few of your phoenix knobs for some FN bolt knob conversions, Great knob!

I'm thinking of running a SPS package around $500.

It will include..

Action/Bolt Blueprinting
Barrel/chamber set back
Muzzle threads and crowning
Tactical Bolt Knob Conversion
And possibly a trigger job

Mark

Each of these services are offered through Short Action Customs, LLC individually.
 
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Mark, if you did that package deal, you will have my business for sure. Perfect service for a rifle!
 
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Do you adjust the X-marks?
I heard they dont like to be adjusted. Never tried one myself.

How much are you setting the barrel back?


Guys for $500, Mark will turn your SPS into a more accurate, more compact, nicer to shoot rifle for a few thousand rounds until you shoot it out, then its ready for a new match barrel since he already trued it. So that cuts your cost down in the future to rebarrel.

Sounds kool Mark I was wanting to do almost this same thing but we dont have our FFL. So its just bolt work for another year.
I wanted to offer a barrel cut and re-crown, a bolt knob, and a bedding job for $300.

Keep up the good work Mark.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you adjust the X-marks?
I heard they dont like to be adjusted. Never tried one myself.

How much are you setting the barrel back?


Guys for $500, Mark will turn your SPS into a more accurate, more compact, nicer to shoot rifle for a few thousand rounds until you shoot it out, then its ready for a new match barrel since he already trued it. So that cuts your cost down in the future to rebarrel.</div></div>

mark let me feel the trigger on this rifle when i dropped my rifle off at his shop. for an x-mark it felt great, a touch over 2 lbs if i remember correctly.

and i agree, for $500 bucks this is a great deal. if my sps had been a 308 instead of a .22-250, id be all over this till i shot the factory barrel out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you adjust the X-marks?


How much are you setting the barrel back? </div></div>


<span style="font-weight: bold">The X-Mark and X-Mark Pro triggers are different, but I can apply the same idea of the old 700 trigger to this model. Everyone that I have done recently has been able to get tuned down to 2lbs-2lbs 4 oz safely and repeatable to +- a few ounces.


I set this last one back .2000", it seems that there is still enough material on the barrel and I was able to clean out the throat and chamber enough.</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: US Handgunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Keith, BTW, I need a few of your phoenix knobs for some FN bolt knob conversions, Great knob!

I'm thinking of running a SPS package around $500.

It will include..

Action/Bolt Blueprinting
Barrel/chamber set back
Muzzle threads and crowning
Tactical Bolt Knob Conversion
And possibly a trigger job

Mark

Each of these services are offered through Short Action Customs, LLC individually. </div></div>


what would it cost to have all of this done but i supplied a PT&G complete bolt ?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: US Handgunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Keith, BTW, I need a few of your phoenix knobs for some FN bolt knob conversions, Great knob!

I'm thinking of running a SPS package around $500.

It will include..

Action/Bolt Blueprinting
Barrel/chamber set back
Muzzle threads and crowning
Tactical Bolt Knob Conversion
And possibly a trigger job

Mark

Each of these services are offered through Short Action Customs, LLC individually. </div></div>


what would it cost to have all of this done but i supplied a PT&G complete bolt ? </div></div>

I'm going to run this package for a limited time at $525 and it will include.

Action/Bolt Blueprinting
Barrel/chamber set back
Muzzle threads and crowning
Tactical Bolt Knob Conversion
Trigger blueprinting

I'm guessing you want the PTG bolt fitted to your action? That will be the same price as listed above.

Mark
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Insayn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much minus the barrel threading/crowning and bolt knob? I have those done already. </div></div>

Price would be $425

Mark
 
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I really wish I would have had this done while Mark was cutting and theading my barrel. Add a bedding job to that list and it should make one hell of an accurate rifle.
 
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VERY interested in this service. Probably will be a month or two before I'd jump on it, I hope this offer is still around then!
 
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Expanding on my previous post after thinking on this a bit- I am planning on doing one of either two things- upgrading this rifle (SPS TAC) piece by piece, OR saving the cash and doing a custom build from the ground up (or buying a TRG-22.)

I guess the question I have is this- is the SPS reciever worth truing and all that, or does it have specific limitations and I should buy a better reciever before dropping cash into it?

Excuse my ignorance, I am still learning a LOT of this!
 
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bm11,

There are certain questions that need to be answered on your end before deciding to go ahead with this type of work on your factory rifle.

Sometimes just saving money for a custom or semi custom rifle is the best bet. I would love to charge every customer a full blueprint and barrel set back, but that is not always the best option for them and I'm not in this business to get rich.

My job is to answer your questions and provide a useful service and not sell anything that a customer does not need.

Give me a call or shoot me a email from my contact info listed below and we can talk more in-depth about your specific project.

Mark
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: US Handgunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><snip>

I would love to charge every customer a full blueprint and barrel set back, but that is not always the best option for them and I'm not in this business to get rich.

My job is to answer your questions and provide a useful service and not sell anything that a customer does not need.

<snip>

Mark </div></div>

I expect that in the long run this approach will get you the best word of mouth reputation and therefore the best living and satisfaction from gunsmithing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, asking a stupid question here.

Trigger blueprinting?

What is that? </div></div>

The trigger is disassembled, cleaned and polished up and full contact is achieved on the trigger/connector/sear parts.

It is then assembled and tuned to the customers specs.

Mark
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vux51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do you release the dia in frontof the lugs? </div></div>

Not following what your asking? I'm assuming your asking why I turn the bolt nose diameter down?

I only take off a couple thousands because I want to make sure the bolt nose (which is a separate part of the bolt body and is not always concentric with the bolt body) is running as true to the rest of the bolt as possible. I only take off enough to clean it up and make sure there are no high spots or bulges in the body.

Mark
 
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Now if only we had someone in the UK offering that service.

I have 2 unfired SPS that I would willingly have that work carried out on.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ferryman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now if only we had someone in the UK offering that service.

I have 2 unfired SPS that I would willingly have that work carried out on.

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Maybe I'm starting to learn why there is nobody over there that would offer this service........