Standard for Measuring Groups?

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Minuteman
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photo72412.jpg Is there a standard procedure for measuring your groups? Just throw some calipers on the widest point and call it good?
 
That's sweet that you get to subtract the bullet diameter. I've been trying to shoot sub 1/2 moa for a while now, all along I have been and didn't know it. The group above would be .333 moa then.

Thanks
 
That's sweet that you get to subtract the bullet diameter. I've been trying to shoot sub 1/2 moa for a while now, all along I have been and didn't know it. The group above would be .333 moa then.

Thanks

There ya go, hang around the "hide" and you'll learn all kinds of stuff lol!
 
Measure the widest point of the group, then subtract the bullet diameter, i.e. .224 for a 22 cal.

Slight clarification to this approach.... rather than just subtracting bullet diameter, measure the diameter of a hole left by a single bullet passing through your target and subtract that amount. You may find that the mark is not the same size as the bullet diameter, depending on the type of target used. Measure both the single hole and the edge of your group in the same way and you'll have a more accurate result.

Of course the proper SH way to measure and post up groups is to shoot 10 three shot groups, pick the best one and post that.... all day long!
 
"Of course the proper SH way to measure and post up groups is to shoot 10 three shot groups, pick the best one and post that.... all day long!"

The truth is finally revealed....
 
Slight clarification to this approach.... rather than just subtracting bullet diameter, measure the diameter of a hole left by a single bullet passing through your target and subtract that amount. You may find that the mark is not the same size as the bullet diameter, depending on the type of target used. Measure both the single hole and the edge of your group in the same way and you'll have a more accurate result.[/I]

I believe this is how the benchrest folks do it, and it works well.

For me, I've come to realize that at most I care about the tenths of inches. 1.0XX inches vs .7XX inches vs .4XX inches and so on, so I don't worry about it much and just eyeball the calipers to the center of the outside bullet holes. If I'm recording data, it'll just say "6's for 10", "3's for 5" or similar.

 
For me, I've come to realize that at most I care about the tenths of inches. 1.0XX inches vs .7XX inches vs .4XX inches and so on, so I don't worry about it much and just eyeball the calipers to the center of the outside bullet holes. If I'm recording data, it'll just say "6's for 10", "3's for 5" or similar.

Yeah, me too. It's not that hard to put the point of the caliper in the center of the two outside holes. Only time I use the subtract bullet hole diameter approach is when trying to get an exact number.
 
Agree with Sheldon, if youre gonna be precise, the hole in the paper is the way. Any consistent point you can measure off of works. I zero my caliper on a single hole, and then measure outside to outside of the group. Caliper reading will be the center to center measurement.
 
If it's a one hole group I measure outside to outside and subtract the bullet diameter.

At distance, when holes are usually spaced apart, meansure the inside edge to outside edge of the two farthest holes. No need for math that way.
 
Slight clarification to this approach.... rather than just subtracting bullet diameter, measure the diameter of a hole left by a single bullet passing through your target and subtract that amount. You may find that the mark is not the same size as the bullet diameter, depending on the type of target used. Measure both the single hole and the edge of your group in the same way and you'll have a more accurate result.

Of course the proper SH way to measure and post up groups is to shoot 10 three shot groups, pick the best one and post that.... all day long!


that is some of the runniest/most true stuff i have read on this site....ALL DAY LONG...
if we believed every all day long, sites like 6mmbr would be shut down already.
 
So long as your measurements are consistent and make sense to YOU, it doesn't matter how you measure groups. No one else will be looking at your notes. And, except for getting an "atta boy" no one cares on the internet anyway.