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Started neck turning

bosulli

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Got a Sinclair neck turning tool and mandrels for 22 & 30. Ultimate goal is neck turning 300wm. Starting\experimenting with the 223 first.

I am I doing this right?

Before using neck sizing mandrel and turning neck - neck runout .004, neck thickness .013, OD .247.

After neck sizing and turning - neck runout .004, neck thickness .011, OD .245.

Should the runout be less after? How do you know how much to remove?
 
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Turning the case necks has nothing to do with runout. You are trying to make the case neck walls an even, thinner thickness. Unless you have a custom "turn only" chamber, I wouldn't turn the case necks unless I had a batch of bad brass. Then I would cull the bad pieces and only turn them when I had enough to bother with.

Turning 5 or 10 case necks is going to make more work trying to remember which you turned to what and which bushing to use when you size.

If all your brass has a .004" runout you might have a chamber problem.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Turning the case necks has nothing to do with runout. You are trying to make the case neck walls an even, thinner thickness. Unless you have a custom "turn only" chamber, I wouldn't turn the case necks unless I had a batch of bad brass. Then I would cull the bad pieces and only turn them when I had enough to bother with.

Turning 5 or 10 case necks is going to make more work trying to remember which you turned to what and which bushing to use when you size.

If all your brass has a .004" runout you might have a chamber problem. </div></div>

True that.
 
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I turn all my WW brass right after FLS out of the bag. I rarely have a brass now days that doesn't need it. All my necks end up @ .012" thick. I locked my blade in this position, & do them all the same for uniformity more than anything else. If you are having runout issues, then it's probably your die, or chamber, or combination of both.
 
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Interesting about the cause of the runout. I have some virgin nosler brass in 223 that I will measure.

The goal was to turn my 300wm brass. It is a "tight" chamber.

My logic is that with consistent neck thickness you would obtain consistent neck tension and that would improve long range accuracy.
 
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When I get a new chambered barrel, the first thing I do is to cast the chamber / neck area and measure everything. I record this in a book and keep for future reference. This information can be invaluable when turning case necks.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Turning the case necks has nothing to do with runout. You are trying to make the case neck walls an even, thinner thickness.</div></div>

I disagree here. While I don't have any "before" and "after" results, in measuring Lapua case necks, I find about 2% - 4% have differences within the case neck of greater than .003". When you bushing size, you drive that imperfection to the inside. It is hard to imagine a bullet having less than .003" runout seated in one of those pieces of brass with large thickness variation. If you can imagine, it is not so much that the bullet doesn't get seated square, it is more that in those cases, the bullet will actually get seated off-axis to the center of the cartridge. It will show runout even if it is seated perfectly squarely. Of course, it probably makes it harder to seat it squarely as well.

Of course, the solution there is to cull those pieces out, which is why I measure cases, but if you think about those extreme cases and apply it to pieces with an already small amount of variation, say .001" (about 70% of Lapua 308 is .001" or less), and turn it into immeasurable variation, I have to believe that it helps concentricity.

I agree however, that prior to fireforming, a case might exhibit runout and turning the necks will not help this because the brass itself may be banana-shaped prior to firing. You want to turn before fireforming, so the time to check for runout for those who want to turn is after first firing.

If there is runout then and the necks are turned, the runout could come from a crooked chamber, problems with the seater, etc., but you can scratch neck thickness variation off of the list. Otherwise, it is alive as a possible source of runout.
 
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The casting the chamber idea sounds of value. I will research how to do that.

Carter, you commented that one should neck turn before the initial firing. Should one not turn brass that has been fired several times?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bosulli</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The casting the chamber idea sounds of value. I will research how to do that.

Carter, you commented that one should neck turn before the initial firing. Should one not turn brass that has been fired several times? </div></div>

You can, but virgin brass is much softer and easier to work with. After several firings (and resizings), it will become work-hardened. If you have a tight-necked chamber, it is a moot point, you have to size first or the round won't chamber. If not, the neck tends to get the most work out of firing and resizing. The neck goes from several thousandths greater than loaded diameter to a couple of thousandths below loaded diameter for every firing. At minimum, I would anneal before turning.