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Steaming a stock to remove dings

ArcticLight

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Hobbico model iron, mini household iron basically. I hae it set to high with a wet towel being used inbetween.

Seems to take about 3 applications but is not only removing dents but cleaning the stock.

Going to be a long process.

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Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

Good work mate....take your time and allow it to dry naturally.

Yes, not only do the dings get better but all the oil and muck is drawn out too.

it looks like a really nice bit of walnut there......
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

looks great! used this trick many times in the woodshop. works very well on softer woods, like pine and what not. looks like you are having great luck with the hard woods too.
Goodluck on the rest of it, be sure to post more pictures when you are done. Maybe a before and after comparison, side by side!
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, not only do the dings get better but all the oil and muck is drawn out too.</div></div>

While I have used it for dents/dings in the past (in a very similar method to what you are doing but with a household iron), it is VERY nice for getting out some of the otherwise impregnated crap that gets down into every little crevasse, nook and cranny of the stock especially if its been stored in a vat of cosmo, etc. for decades and decades!

Looks excellent so far...look forward to seeing your end results, but its shaping up to be a real nice piece of wood.
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What type of finish are you planning on using when you`re done? </div></div>

Tung oil, clear.

The left side of the stock has a light to dark variation - it's natural and keeps geting better and better.

The kitchen towell tht I used smells like 70 yera old vintage gun oil - Stinks and yet I love that smell!!

And the small handguard, wow, the grains turned red.

I read it takes about 20 years to get red INTO wood using gun oil.

Militech 1 is supposed to be able to do it in 6 mos..

But for me, I've steamed it twice and it's looking GREAT!! Small dents are out, but the sharp edged dings will not come out...


Those are history so they stay with the rifle.
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

Well two steams on the entire stock, still needs more but I don't want to swell the wood up or crack it..
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I may have to sand this lightly in places, maybe a 400 wet grit..

Prior to oil.
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After re-oiling it with Danish clear.

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Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

Damn I come to work and see those dings in the daylight

Anyone got s uggestoins on those? Those will NOT iron out..

If I used a two tone wood putty I could fix those but man that's gonna take some time..
 
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In my opinion it isn't the worst thing in the world if there are some imperfections left. It shows the history of the rifle and creates its own unique character.

I think it is a wonderful rifle, and thanks for documenting your work on it. I have been enjoying watching it come along. Great project.
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn I come to work and see those dings in the daylight

Anyone got s uggestoins on those? Those will NOT iron out..

If I used a two tone wood putty I could fix those but man that's gonna take some time..

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As well as I remember from cleaning and steaming a few stocks over the years, if a ding in the wood is deep enough that it breaks or cuts the grain of the wood, you very likely won`t be able to raise it.
I think when a ding goes that deep it actually compresses the wood fiber- I had tried to build a dam of clay around some pretty deep marks to hold water and tried letting it soak in, in hopes of swelling the fibers to raise them and it helped a little.
You might want to try that before the putty route.
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm17</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have to dig out my iron now that I know it's not just for monokote and my SMLE needs some love too.

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If you are going for one small ding - works GREAT!!

however, I had to stop and let it re-heat - a household iron would work FAR FAR better as it gets hotter (Which is why we don't use em often on r/c planes!!!).

I used a double cloth, SOAKED TO THE BONE wiht water, and then slammed that on and held it for 2-3 minutes, waited 2-3 minutes and then held it down again.

LEAVE the wet cloth on at that point until it cools down, and then WIPE IT DOWN with the wet cloth to get hte oils that came out....

Tell ya what, my stock is starting to smell like an old church LOL
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

IME steaming won't work on deep sharp scratches or where the fibre of the wood is damaged - it will only uncompress impact damage.

I'd leave the scratches, and don't use the putty - it is history and gives the rifle character.
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd leave the scratches, and don't use the putty - it is history and gives the rifle character. </div></div>

Agreed, some of these rifle have a lot of ghosts, no since "excersizing" by covering up the history...
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

I use the same type of Monokote iron, on top of folded paper toweling that's well soaked with rubbing alky. The deeper it soaks, the deeper the steam expansion gets applied. Yes, it takes a bit more time with the smaller iron.

Wood is composed of hollow tubular wood fibers bound together by natural lignin resin. Dents crush the tubes and distort the resin. Steam softens/liquifies the resin, and steam reinflates the tubes at least partially. Wood dents can be reduced using steam, and the steam can also soften (plasticize) the resin to permit bending.

Ammonia will also plasticize lignin. For ammonia bending try to find institutional ammonia, it's stronger. Bend individual laminates before bonding them. Ammonia will curdle aliphatic resin (Carpenter's/Titebond/etc.) glues, so the ammonia must be allowed to completely evaporate before gluing with these resins.

For 'immortal' dings (stuff that doesn't respond adequately to steaming), I do what I call 'mud sanding'

I put a dollop of finish (I use Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil) atop the ding, and then begin sanding right over the liquid finish until I get a 'mud' composed of stock sawdust and finishing oil. Keep sanding until there's a puddle of mud centered right in and atop the ding. Leave the stock, ding upright, where the mud can dry and harden thoroughly. Be patient, this can take anywhere from hours to weeks. It may crack some too, but subsequent applications will resolve this.

When it's hardened, sand on down to the wood. The ding should be at least partially filled in. If it's still not completely filled, repeat the process until it is.

Because the filler is the same material as the stock, bound by the same material as the finish; it should be about as perfect a match as you're ever gonna get. The grain isn't there, but everything else is.

This is comparable to a process involving sanding sealer when doing conventional wood finishing.

For balsa wood, I mix talc with clear lacquer and brush it on thick, let it dry, then sand it back on down to the grain. When I'm done repeating the process, I can produce a finish that's like polished glass.

This can also be done without the talc, but it takes more coats to fill the grain. If I'm using an opaque color lacquer on top for a finish, I use the talc. For a clear finish, I can omit the talc.

Greg
 
Re: Steaming a stock to remove dings

Good advice Greg!

This stock is pretty, has history, and is beat to hell but it's going to stay as it is, for now.

Basra sent me a replica stock and I'm working on a deal for a barreled action - so that will be my sniper build.

I'm going to try to steam my hardwood floor today, I d ropped a bottle of ketchup and dinged my floor
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