Rifle Scopes Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

[762frmafr]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What a sunshade does well:
Does it reduce lens flare and glare?: yes
Does it inhibit the vast majority of flash?: yes
Does it polarize light?: No
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i said nothing about a sunshade. i was talking about an ARD/HONEYCOMB

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

I have a sun shade.

I have an ARD.

I have used polarizers.

Sun shades and ARD's are not Polarizers and do not work like them.

There is a reason that Tenebrex will sell ARD's to anyone but only sells Polarizers to Mil/LE. They DO NOT even come close to doing the same thing.

 

[VITA per Veritas]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

I say, quit shooting during the day. Only shoot at night. Then you can use the "sunshade" of your choice to keep the dew off of the lense, and you wont need a polarizing filter or ARD.

Genious/retarded you choose

 

[High Binder]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If they are claiming it is a "simple polarizer", it is of the VERY simplest sort. </div></div>
simple or not....POLARIZER </div></div>

This is a lost cause.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

But, good luck defending your thesis with evidence to the contrary...It was quite spectacular. Out.

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At some point you just have to chalk it up to our failed school system...

 

[lvmike]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

Go with a USO ard for your s&b if you need something to reduce glare. It is more effective then a 2" sunshade and shorter then a 4"+ shade. The fact it's an ARD as well is nice but really the purpose of their ard for most shooters is the small package making a large difference in glare. I love mine since I have had issues during a match where my ph 5-25 was getting a white crescent that consumed the upper 30/40% of the objective. I have not had that issue since and only remove the ard at or just before sundown.

Some scopes see an image improvement even on normal sunny days without noticable glare in the optic. My premier 5-25 did, probably due to it's 56mm objective, and your s&b might as well.

 

[Magnumdood]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That was my nice way of saying...you don't understand physics, you're wrong about your assumption, and your stunning attempt to <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">validate</span></span> your (incorrect) theory by posting a wiki page which clearly <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">invalidates</span></span> your claim is a failure at best. I'd love to see the tests where it works as a polarizer. You would need some serious equipment to tell any (more likely none) <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">difference between it and a control</span></span>. As for naked eye tests, you would see NO difference.

What a sunshade does well:
Does it reduce lens flare and glare?: yes
Does it inhibit the vast majority of flash?: yes
Does it polarize light?: No

But, good luck defending your <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">thesis with evidence to the contrary</span></span>...It was quite spectacular. Out.

Josh </div></div>
Somebody has had some statistical courses in their graduate studies.

 

[bm11]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LVMIKE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go with a USO ard for your s&b if you need something to reduce glare. It is more effective then a 2" sunshade and shorter then a 4"+ shade. The fact it's an ARD as well is nice but really the purpose of their ard for most shooters is the small package making a large difference in glare. I love mine since I have had issues during a match where my ph 5-25 was getting a white crescent that consumed the upper 30/40% of the objective. I have not had that issue since and only remove the ard at or just before sundown.

Some scopes see an image improvement even on normal sunny days without noticable glare in the optic. My premier 5-25 did, probably due to it's 56mm objective, and your s&b might as well. </div></div>Nice, thank you for the good advice!

 

[High Binder]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LVMIKE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">match where my ph 5-25 was getting a white crescent that consumed the upper 30/40% of the objective. I have not had that issue since and only remove the ard at or just before sundown.
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Do you see much difference in light gathering at low light with and without the ARD?

 

[PLeighton]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

Yes, there is a significant difference at low light.
The best way to describe it is to compare it to driving with your sun glasses on as the sun goes down.
At some point, you need to take the glasses off to squeeze out the last bit of light.

FWIW, I've found that I only need to take off the ARD for the last 20 min prior to sunset & at night.
So, unless you operate in these conditions regularly, it shouldn't be much of a concern.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, there is a significant difference at low light.
The best way to describe it is to compare it to driving with your sun glasses on as the sun goes down.
At some point, you need to take the glasses off to squeeze out the last bit of light.

FWIW, I've found that I only need to take off the ARD for the last 20 min prior to sunset & at night.
So, unless you operate in these conditions regularly, it shouldn't be much of a concern. </div></div>

Ah, that's interesting. I don't run ARDs but I always wondered about their low light performance. I try to shoot in low light (evenings) at least once a week usually it's shotguns to stay sharp for hunting season but every once in a while like to stay acquainted with the illuminated retical on my NXS.

 

[Gildoom]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

Sun shades help here in Arizona, where the only shade comes from... Your sun shade on your scope! It is a real pain in the ass when the sun is setting and you are shooting at that perfect angle.

With that said, I have them on all my rifles, and I cannot stand how damned ugly they are.

If I was in some place that had trees, they would be gone, my hat can sit on the top of the scope (what I used to do in the rare need).

One more thing, I might get flamed for this, but I don't like worrying about them either. I have dropped hunting rifles on rocks, edges of boats and I could completely see bending the damn thing and getting stuck on the rifle out on a hunting trip.

 

[Fisky]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

I keep sunshades in my range bag for all my scopes. The little range I shoot at doesn't have any cover from the sun, and you shoot West. It can be a bugger at times shooting in the evening.

Also, if I know I'm going to be setting up for coyotes early morning or late evening facing the sun, I'll screw one on. But for the most part, while hunting, I could care less if I have one on or not. A little glare when shooting at coyotes or deer doesn't bother as much as when I'm shooting for small groups at smaller targets at the range.

I think they look gay as shit too. But they do serve a practical purpose.

 

[rum]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

So how does a sunshade compare to an ARD? I do all of my shooting/hunting in the woods and always find myself dealing with glare. I use the 4" shade that came with my nightforce but have really been thinking of trying an ARD if I could get the same performance from the smaller ARD. The shade works great for cutting glare etc and also helps keep junk off my lense but I would think the ARD would keep the junk from getting to my lense a little better.

 

[Victor Co Heather]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

This sunshade thread is having a polarizing effect on the contributers.

 

[Aries64]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eh, I like how they look, maybe I'll give one a try. If they don't take anything away from the image, and can help in sunny situations, I really don't see the drawback, other than I have to cut the foam in my case. </div></div>
If your main criteria for getting a Sun Shade or an ARD is because they look cool, as others have said that is rather "Mall Ninja". However, the choice is up to you. Personally, I prefer the "look" of my scopes without ARDs' and would prefer not to use one, but they do serve useful purposes, so I use them on some scopes.

I've used USO ARDs' on several scopes including USO SN-3 3.2-17X 44mm ERGO, SN-3 3.2-17X 44mm TPAL, Premier Heritage 5-25X (56mm), and two PMII 5-25X (56mm) scopes. From what I've seen, the build-quality and performance the honeycomb-design in the USO ARD unit is better than the Tenabraex ARDs'.

Although I only shoot on a one-way range, my USO ARDs' serve two purposes for me:

(1) Helps keep dirt, rain, and other crap off of the objective lens. This minimizes the chance of having to clean the lens, which reduces the necessity of lens cleaning, which reduces the chance of scratching an (expensive) lens.

(2) The ARD actually helps sharpen the target image because off-axis light is prevented from entering the scope (off-axis light reduces image quality). This effect is noticible whether I am shooting from a covered firing line or in full sun.

I've found the USO ARD is so efficient that I just leave it on. On the rare occasions that I have used the scope at night the ARD has never reduced the image clarity to the point that I needed to remove it, although your eyes and the particular scope in use play a part as well.

Not only are the USO ARDs' very efficient - they are also very well made. The USO ARDs' consist of three (3) components:

(1) A threaded, Type III hard anodized aluminum housing, (which by itself is the USO Sunshade), (2) a high-efficiency anti-reflective <span style="font-style: italic">"honeycomb"</span> insert that is expoxied into the aluminum housing, and (3) an aluminum "Stop ring" that limits the depth of the honeycomb insert within the housing.

The housing / Sunshade is threaded on both ends - the rear has male threads and screws into the objective end of the scope, while the front has a female thread that accepts additional accessories. The <span style="font-style: italic">actual</span>, OAL of each Sunshade or ARD is .25" longer than the <span style="font-style: italic">installed length</span> (male .25" threads into scope). Therefore, the OAL of a 2" USO Sunshade or ARD is actually 2.25".

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">USO 2" ARD for 56mm Schmidt Bender:</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Tac Ops X-Ray 51 w/metalworkwork in Tac Ops OD Green-T & Black-T w/PMII 5-25X 56mm & USO 2" S & B 56mm ARD:</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">USO 2" ARD for 56mm Premier:</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Full-custom SS MOA 10/22 w/Premier 5-25X 56mm & USO 2" Premier 56mm ARD:</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">USO 2" ARD for 44mm USO:</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">USO 4" ARD for 44mm USO:</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">FNH A3 G w/SN-3 3.2-17X 44mm ERGO & USO 4" ARD:</span></span>

Keith

 

[noname]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

If it is a polarized lens, putting another honeycomb in front of it (stacking them) and rotating it 90 degs. will block out all light.
solving that can be move on to Bell's paradox and solve that one also?

 

[jeffersonv]

Re: Sun shade, too "mall ninja?"

man, I hope I look cool enough.
Sunshade or no sunshade which looks cooler? I'll ask on SH?