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Re: super chips
A better question would be WHY do you want to spend $350.oo + for an average across-power-curve net gain of only 13 horsepower, in a vehicle that weighs at least 5,500 pounds, that you will never notice the gain, and have to switch to premium fuel because of it?
Well, actually, you WILL notice it. Like "Why the hell is this thing getting such shitty ass gas mileage? I <span style="text-decoration: underline">JUST</span> filled it!!!"
Let's see now:
Premium is about .30 a gallon more than regular...
Expect a minimum 2-3 mile per gallon drop in MPG...
Engine is working harder because of the huge timing advance...
More frequent oil changes...
Carry the 2...
Add the 6...
Yeah. Doesn't really make sense, now does it?
You want super chips?
Spend the money on THESE!
You'll get FAR more out of it...
A better question would be WHY do you want to spend $350.oo + for an average across-power-curve net gain of only 13 horsepower, in a vehicle that weighs at least 5,500 pounds, that you will never notice the gain, and have to switch to premium fuel because of it?
Well, actually, you WILL notice it. Like "Why the hell is this thing getting such shitty ass gas mileage? I <span style="text-decoration: underline">JUST</span> filled it!!!"
Let's see now:
Premium is about .30 a gallon more than regular...
Expect a minimum 2-3 mile per gallon drop in MPG...
Engine is working harder because of the huge timing advance...
More frequent oil changes...
Carry the 2...
Add the 6...
Yeah. Doesn't really make sense, now does it?
You want super chips?
Spend the money on THESE!
You'll get FAR more out of it...
Re: super chips
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miniman93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im thinking of getting a superchip for my dodge 1500 ram. wat do you guys think of these chips. any problems with em?
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I have one in my 5.2 ram and WOW what a difference...and as to gas milage...mine has seen a constant 2 mpg better while being on full performance and 1.5 on the 87 performance. the other thing that i love about it, is the towing tune. that really gives it some serious down low torque. now i have a 5.2l 99 ram with a ranch hand rear, a heavy brush buster adn a toolbox with about 4-500 pounds of crap in it. it weighs in somewhere in the range of 5600lbs. and ontop of that its lifted 3 inches and still sees 16 mpg on premium and 15mpg on regular. before that i was seeing about 13.5-14 on regular or premium
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miniman93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im thinking of getting a superchip for my dodge 1500 ram. wat do you guys think of these chips. any problems with em?
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I have one in my 5.2 ram and WOW what a difference...and as to gas milage...mine has seen a constant 2 mpg better while being on full performance and 1.5 on the 87 performance. the other thing that i love about it, is the towing tune. that really gives it some serious down low torque. now i have a 5.2l 99 ram with a ranch hand rear, a heavy brush buster adn a toolbox with about 4-500 pounds of crap in it. it weighs in somewhere in the range of 5600lbs. and ontop of that its lifted 3 inches and still sees 16 mpg on premium and 15mpg on regular. before that i was seeing about 13.5-14 on regular or premium
Re: super chips
It is a waste on a gas truck IMO, you need to get the air flowing in and out easily (Intake & Exhaust), this will help with mpg's
It is a waste on a gas truck IMO, you need to get the air flowing in and out easily (Intake & Exhaust), this will help with mpg's
Re: super chips
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miniman93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok so why would i have to use premium gas and its got an economy setting that improves gas mileage. im not tryin to argue dbut did you have one that didnt work for you or what </div></div>
Premium is used for it's performance setting, as the ignition timing is seriously advanced.
I know people that have used the Superchips, Hypertech, etc, tuners and they are all a waste UNLESS you own a diesel. ALL they do is alter the spark, ignition, and fuel curves. Without SOME form of forced induction (turbo or supercharger, nitrous), there is only so much they can do. I have also been hot rodding cars since I was barely old enough to drive them. Here's a good breakdown. If vehicle "A" has the programmer and vehicle "B" doesn't, and they have a 1/4 mile drag race, vehicle "A" will beat vehicle "B" to the finish by less than a fender.
Yes, it has an "economy" setting that CLAIMS to increase gas mileage. It works by retarding the timing. You get slightly better MPG, at the expense of losing alot of power and responsiveness from the timing reduction. On a dead flat level road. Add even a slight incline, and your MPG will get WORSE as the engine will be forced to work harder than before to make up for the reduction.
Ever wonder why automobile manufacturers spent the money going to variable valve timing and multiple displacement ignition systems that kill ignition spark to particular cylinders effectively turning 6 cylinder engines into 4's, and 8 cylinder engines into 6's, instead of just slapping a programmer on it?
Unless you plan on doing a BUNCH of modifications to your vehicle, skip it. It's snake oil. Mind over matter. Like people that think their cars are so much faster after they change the mufflers or people that think if they dump a bottle of octane booster into their fueltank, that MUST mean they will go faster! You don't something for nothing...Anything that states "MORE power! Better gas mileage!" is full of shit. Those are mutually exclusive sentences. Go find a gear-head. A REAL gear-head wrench turner and ask.
The Superchips programmer for a Dodge 5.2 liter "Magnum" (aka "anemic 318") shows a max gain of 18.7 HP and a max gain of 30.2 ft lbs, so I'm not sure how that equates to a "WOW" given the AVERAGE gain is less than 9 horsepower and 16 ft lbs across the entire powerband...a supposed 1-2 mile per gallon increase while spending .30 cents a gallon extra for premium? A 1 MPG improvement using regular? Care to extrapolate how long that's going to take to see a return in investment adding the cost of the programmer to the equation?
The absolutely BEST thing though? The programmer for your 5.2 works on the Ram, Dakota, Durango, Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen. Last time I checked, Dodge discontinued the 5.2 liter engine in, what, 1999 if I recall correctly? It also only made 230 horsepower. So the programmer MUST do alot if it can change the specs on vehicles, (Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen), that came out long after the 5.2, thankfully, went to it's grave. And I HIGHLY doubt that a 5,600 pound vehicle being powered, or rather UNDERpowered, by arguably the WORST engine ever offered in a full sized pickup truck that left Dodge getting 12 MPG brand new, now gets 16 MPG...
So the bottom line, miniman93?:
Unless you have a diesel, skip it.
You'll see MUCH better returns by developing better driving habits. If you're just cruising down the street and have to scrub a few MPH off your speed because the guy in front of you is going slower than you thought? That means you just wasted MPG. You hit the brakes, you lower your MPG's. Simple fact. I drive by the mantra "What's the rush?" and I typically see 15-18 miles per gallon in my truck. My truck does NOT have Dodge's MDS system, and weighs 7,900 pounds without myself or all my tools in it.
Or?:
Drink the Kool-Aid, spend the cash, and dream you actually got something from it...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miniman93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok so why would i have to use premium gas and its got an economy setting that improves gas mileage. im not tryin to argue dbut did you have one that didnt work for you or what </div></div>
Premium is used for it's performance setting, as the ignition timing is seriously advanced.
I know people that have used the Superchips, Hypertech, etc, tuners and they are all a waste UNLESS you own a diesel. ALL they do is alter the spark, ignition, and fuel curves. Without SOME form of forced induction (turbo or supercharger, nitrous), there is only so much they can do. I have also been hot rodding cars since I was barely old enough to drive them. Here's a good breakdown. If vehicle "A" has the programmer and vehicle "B" doesn't, and they have a 1/4 mile drag race, vehicle "A" will beat vehicle "B" to the finish by less than a fender.
Yes, it has an "economy" setting that CLAIMS to increase gas mileage. It works by retarding the timing. You get slightly better MPG, at the expense of losing alot of power and responsiveness from the timing reduction. On a dead flat level road. Add even a slight incline, and your MPG will get WORSE as the engine will be forced to work harder than before to make up for the reduction.
Ever wonder why automobile manufacturers spent the money going to variable valve timing and multiple displacement ignition systems that kill ignition spark to particular cylinders effectively turning 6 cylinder engines into 4's, and 8 cylinder engines into 6's, instead of just slapping a programmer on it?
Unless you plan on doing a BUNCH of modifications to your vehicle, skip it. It's snake oil. Mind over matter. Like people that think their cars are so much faster after they change the mufflers or people that think if they dump a bottle of octane booster into their fueltank, that MUST mean they will go faster! You don't something for nothing...Anything that states "MORE power! Better gas mileage!" is full of shit. Those are mutually exclusive sentences. Go find a gear-head. A REAL gear-head wrench turner and ask.
The Superchips programmer for a Dodge 5.2 liter "Magnum" (aka "anemic 318") shows a max gain of 18.7 HP and a max gain of 30.2 ft lbs, so I'm not sure how that equates to a "WOW" given the AVERAGE gain is less than 9 horsepower and 16 ft lbs across the entire powerband...a supposed 1-2 mile per gallon increase while spending .30 cents a gallon extra for premium? A 1 MPG improvement using regular? Care to extrapolate how long that's going to take to see a return in investment adding the cost of the programmer to the equation?
The absolutely BEST thing though? The programmer for your 5.2 works on the Ram, Dakota, Durango, Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen. Last time I checked, Dodge discontinued the 5.2 liter engine in, what, 1999 if I recall correctly? It also only made 230 horsepower. So the programmer MUST do alot if it can change the specs on vehicles, (Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen), that came out long after the 5.2, thankfully, went to it's grave. And I HIGHLY doubt that a 5,600 pound vehicle being powered, or rather UNDERpowered, by arguably the WORST engine ever offered in a full sized pickup truck that left Dodge getting 12 MPG brand new, now gets 16 MPG...
So the bottom line, miniman93?:
Unless you have a diesel, skip it.
You'll see MUCH better returns by developing better driving habits. If you're just cruising down the street and have to scrub a few MPH off your speed because the guy in front of you is going slower than you thought? That means you just wasted MPG. You hit the brakes, you lower your MPG's. Simple fact. I drive by the mantra "What's the rush?" and I typically see 15-18 miles per gallon in my truck. My truck does NOT have Dodge's MDS system, and weighs 7,900 pounds without myself or all my tools in it.
Or?:
Drink the Kool-Aid, spend the cash, and dream you actually got something from it...
Re: super chips
Remapping won't do shit for you, in fact they can have the opposite effect. In order to do a remapping like chipping a gasser, you also have to upgrade everything in line with it. i.e. more air in and out...
Do a cam instead and get real gains...
Remapping won't do shit for you, in fact they can have the opposite effect. In order to do a remapping like chipping a gasser, you also have to upgrade everything in line with it. i.e. more air in and out...
Do a cam instead and get real gains...
Re: super chips
You would be better served spending the money all at once on the following:
Computer upgrade via AFX
Comp Cams (Advertised) 172* - 184* duration cam
Long length Headers & Freeflow exhaust(Flowmaster et al)
Run 93 OCtane Premium Fuel
This will give you an across the board horspower upgrade to around 50+ horsepower, and butt loads of torque, and is the best way to spend hp money. Yes it is about triple your cost for the little black box, but the hp gain is way better.
If you know ALL THE SPECS on your current configuration, download the Comp Cams software to look at the available cams for your motor then you can see the dyno curve that set up will offer.
You input heads, valves, intake cfm, compression, carb or injection, blah blah blah, all from pulldown menus, then all you have to do is highlight a cam spec and see what the dyno does.
You want a nice wide, flat torque curve with a torque number around 3500 - 4000 rpm, and a hp figure at around 5500 - 6500rpm
Chips are for Dips. Real power is made with hard parts. AS the man in the speed shop used to say,"Son, Speed costs money, how fast you wanna go?" Then there was Red at the truck shop in upstate,"Boy, you wanna pull stumps, you need a good cam and a nice rearend gear in that little pick up"
http://www.compcams.com/Pages/409/camquest-6.aspx
Don't play at making power and torque when you can have it in spades
You would be better served spending the money all at once on the following:
Computer upgrade via AFX
Comp Cams (Advertised) 172* - 184* duration cam
Long length Headers & Freeflow exhaust(Flowmaster et al)
Run 93 OCtane Premium Fuel
This will give you an across the board horspower upgrade to around 50+ horsepower, and butt loads of torque, and is the best way to spend hp money. Yes it is about triple your cost for the little black box, but the hp gain is way better.
If you know ALL THE SPECS on your current configuration, download the Comp Cams software to look at the available cams for your motor then you can see the dyno curve that set up will offer.
You input heads, valves, intake cfm, compression, carb or injection, blah blah blah, all from pulldown menus, then all you have to do is highlight a cam spec and see what the dyno does.
You want a nice wide, flat torque curve with a torque number around 3500 - 4000 rpm, and a hp figure at around 5500 - 6500rpm
Chips are for Dips. Real power is made with hard parts. AS the man in the speed shop used to say,"Son, Speed costs money, how fast you wanna go?" Then there was Red at the truck shop in upstate,"Boy, you wanna pull stumps, you need a good cam and a nice rearend gear in that little pick up"
http://www.compcams.com/Pages/409/camquest-6.aspx
Don't play at making power and torque when you can have it in spades
Re: super chips
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Megacab</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miniman93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok so why would i have to use premium gas and its got an economy setting that improves gas mileage. im not tryin to argue dbut did you have one that didnt work for you or what </div></div>
Premium is used for it's performance setting, as the ignition timing is seriously advanced.
I know people that have used the Superchips, Hypertech, etc, tuners and they are all a waste UNLESS you own a diesel. ALL they do is alter the spark, ignition, and fuel curves. Without SOME form of forced induction (turbo or supercharger, nitrous), there is only so much they can do. I have also been hot rodding cars since I was barely old enough to drive them. Here's a good breakdown. If vehicle "A" has the programmer and vehicle "B" doesn't, and they have a 1/4 mile drag race, vehicle "A" will beat vehicle "B" to the finish by less than a fender.
Yes, it has an "economy" setting that CLAIMS to increase gas mileage. It works by retarding the timing. You get slightly better MPG, at the expense of losing alot of power and responsiveness from the timing reduction. On a dead flat level road. Add even a slight incline, and your MPG will get WORSE as the engine will be forced to work harder than before to make up for the reduction.
Ever wonder why automobile manufacturers spent the money going to variable valve timing and multiple displacement ignition systems that kill ignition spark to particular cylinders effectively turning 6 cylinder engines into 4's, and 8 cylinder engines into 6's, instead of just slapping a programmer on it?
Unless you plan on doing a BUNCH of modifications to your vehicle, skip it. It's snake oil. Mind over matter. Like people that think their cars are so much faster after they change the mufflers or people that think if they dump a bottle of octane booster into their fueltank, that MUST mean they will go faster! You don't something for nothing...Anything that states "MORE power! Better gas mileage!" is full of shit. Those are mutually exclusive sentences. Go find a gear-head. A REAL gear-head wrench turner and ask.
The Superchips programmer for a Dodge 5.2 liter "Magnum" (aka "anemic 318") shows a max gain of 18.7 HP and a max gain of 30.2 ft lbs, so I'm not sure how that equates to a "WOW" given the AVERAGE gain is less than 9 horsepower and 16 ft lbs across the entire powerband...a supposed 1-2 mile per gallon increase while spending .30 cents a gallon extra for premium? A 1 MPG improvement using regular? Care to extrapolate how long that's going to take to see a return in investment adding the cost of the programmer to the equation?
The absolutely BEST thing though? The programmer for your 5.2 works on the Ram, Dakota, Durango, Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen. Last time I checked, Dodge discontinued the 5.2 liter engine in, what, 1999 if I recall correctly? It also only made 230 horsepower. So the programmer MUST do alot if it can change the specs on vehicles, (Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen), that came out long after the 5.2, thankfully, went to it's grave. And I HIGHLY doubt that a 5,600 pound vehicle being powered, or rather UNDERpowered, by arguably the WORST engine ever offered in a full sized pickup truck that left Dodge getting 12 MPG brand new, now gets 16 MPG...
So the bottom line, miniman93?:
Unless you have a diesel, skip it.
You'll see MUCH better returns by developing better driving habits. If you're just cruising down the street and have to scrub a few MPH off your speed because the guy in front of you is going slower than you thought? That means you just wasted MPG. You hit the brakes, you lower your MPG's. Simple fact. I drive by the mantra "What's the rush?" and I typically see 15-18 miles per gallon in my truck. My truck does NOT have Dodge's MDS system, and weighs 7,900 pounds without myself or all my tools in it.
Or?:
Drink the Kool-Aid, spend the cash, and dream you actually got something from it...
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im not going to get into a debate over the best engine produced. i happen to love to drive my 5.2 magnum...what you may not know is that dodge had the timing so retarded that even the 5.9 is a dog, so the programmer makes a very feelable difference on the 2 gen rams. on the 3 gen rams, i dont know... but for mine it works great.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Megacab</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miniman93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok so why would i have to use premium gas and its got an economy setting that improves gas mileage. im not tryin to argue dbut did you have one that didnt work for you or what </div></div>
Premium is used for it's performance setting, as the ignition timing is seriously advanced.
I know people that have used the Superchips, Hypertech, etc, tuners and they are all a waste UNLESS you own a diesel. ALL they do is alter the spark, ignition, and fuel curves. Without SOME form of forced induction (turbo or supercharger, nitrous), there is only so much they can do. I have also been hot rodding cars since I was barely old enough to drive them. Here's a good breakdown. If vehicle "A" has the programmer and vehicle "B" doesn't, and they have a 1/4 mile drag race, vehicle "A" will beat vehicle "B" to the finish by less than a fender.
Yes, it has an "economy" setting that CLAIMS to increase gas mileage. It works by retarding the timing. You get slightly better MPG, at the expense of losing alot of power and responsiveness from the timing reduction. On a dead flat level road. Add even a slight incline, and your MPG will get WORSE as the engine will be forced to work harder than before to make up for the reduction.
Ever wonder why automobile manufacturers spent the money going to variable valve timing and multiple displacement ignition systems that kill ignition spark to particular cylinders effectively turning 6 cylinder engines into 4's, and 8 cylinder engines into 6's, instead of just slapping a programmer on it?
Unless you plan on doing a BUNCH of modifications to your vehicle, skip it. It's snake oil. Mind over matter. Like people that think their cars are so much faster after they change the mufflers or people that think if they dump a bottle of octane booster into their fueltank, that MUST mean they will go faster! You don't something for nothing...Anything that states "MORE power! Better gas mileage!" is full of shit. Those are mutually exclusive sentences. Go find a gear-head. A REAL gear-head wrench turner and ask.
The Superchips programmer for a Dodge 5.2 liter "Magnum" (aka "anemic 318") shows a max gain of 18.7 HP and a max gain of 30.2 ft lbs, so I'm not sure how that equates to a "WOW" given the AVERAGE gain is less than 9 horsepower and 16 ft lbs across the entire powerband...a supposed 1-2 mile per gallon increase while spending .30 cents a gallon extra for premium? A 1 MPG improvement using regular? Care to extrapolate how long that's going to take to see a return in investment adding the cost of the programmer to the equation?
The absolutely BEST thing though? The programmer for your 5.2 works on the Ram, Dakota, Durango, Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen. Last time I checked, Dodge discontinued the 5.2 liter engine in, what, 1999 if I recall correctly? It also only made 230 horsepower. So the programmer MUST do alot if it can change the specs on vehicles, (Charger, Magnum, 300C, and Aspen), that came out long after the 5.2, thankfully, went to it's grave. And I HIGHLY doubt that a 5,600 pound vehicle being powered, or rather UNDERpowered, by arguably the WORST engine ever offered in a full sized pickup truck that left Dodge getting 12 MPG brand new, now gets 16 MPG...
So the bottom line, miniman93?:
Unless you have a diesel, skip it.
You'll see MUCH better returns by developing better driving habits. If you're just cruising down the street and have to scrub a few MPH off your speed because the guy in front of you is going slower than you thought? That means you just wasted MPG. You hit the brakes, you lower your MPG's. Simple fact. I drive by the mantra "What's the rush?" and I typically see 15-18 miles per gallon in my truck. My truck does NOT have Dodge's MDS system, and weighs 7,900 pounds without myself or all my tools in it.
Or?:
Drink the Kool-Aid, spend the cash, and dream you actually got something from it...
</div></div>
im not going to get into a debate over the best engine produced. i happen to love to drive my 5.2 magnum...what you may not know is that dodge had the timing so retarded that even the 5.9 is a dog, so the programmer makes a very feelable difference on the 2 gen rams. on the 3 gen rams, i dont know... but for mine it works great.
Re: super chips
Comp Cams in a OEM motor with short tube headers, cats adn mufflers using a 268AH cam makes 292hp and 402T all things OEM on the truck. If memory serves, baseline hp in this motor is like 235 or something so for the money, a simple cam swap, lifter and valve spring swap with a computer reprogram is the way to go to make worthwhile hp gains.
Speed costs money man, how hard you wanna run?
Comp Cams in a OEM motor with short tube headers, cats adn mufflers using a 268AH cam makes 292hp and 402T all things OEM on the truck. If memory serves, baseline hp in this motor is like 235 or something so for the money, a simple cam swap, lifter and valve spring swap with a computer reprogram is the way to go to make worthwhile hp gains.
Speed costs money man, how hard you wanna run?
Re: super chips
Unless you got a diesel, don't buy an off the shelf tuner. A dyno or street tune is worth the money, but without any real acccess to that bullshit Mopar computer, all you can do is throw a little fuel and timing at it. Save the money for an exhaust or intake. Better yet, leave it alone and save your warranty. Want power, put a FI on it. Pony up...
Unless you got a diesel, don't buy an off the shelf tuner. A dyno or street tune is worth the money, but without any real acccess to that bullshit Mopar computer, all you can do is throw a little fuel and timing at it. Save the money for an exhaust or intake. Better yet, leave it alone and save your warranty. Want power, put a FI on it. Pony up...
Re: super chips
don't do it, I bought one last year(cortex model) and was a waste of money. I didn't noticed any changes on my truck @ all, on a diesel engine well worth it. The only thing I liked was, I could turn off that gay active fuel management
don't do it, I bought one last year(cortex model) and was a waste of money. I didn't noticed any changes on my truck @ all, on a diesel engine well worth it. The only thing I liked was, I could turn off that gay active fuel management
Re: super chips
Without going into a 10 page summery I have to agree with Mega and Switch. I will tell you the best way to get better mileage, with more horsepower, and still have a warranty, and pass a smog check if applicable in your state like mine.
Get a newer truck. Technology increases almost as fast as computers. Like I said I could go on and explain myself for hours but I won't.
Look for a more modern truck or just leave yours stock, keep the regular maintenance up, keep the tires inflated, keep the computers updated with the latest (factory) software. I have done updates on cars and trucks that have well over 75 separate programming changes and separate software corrections.
Without going into a 10 page summery I have to agree with Mega and Switch. I will tell you the best way to get better mileage, with more horsepower, and still have a warranty, and pass a smog check if applicable in your state like mine.
Get a newer truck. Technology increases almost as fast as computers. Like I said I could go on and explain myself for hours but I won't.
Look for a more modern truck or just leave yours stock, keep the regular maintenance up, keep the tires inflated, keep the computers updated with the latest (factory) software. I have done updates on cars and trucks that have well over 75 separate programming changes and separate software corrections.
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