Rifle Scopes Super Sniper HD

[Dantrom]

I currently have a vortex viper pst on order and am getting a little impatient, and am considering changing my order to the Super Sniper 10x HD. Just looking for a little insight on this consideration. I have a Super Sniper 16x and think its great. I have no experience with the vortex scopes. Main uses will be target shooting and varmint hunting from my 308 remmy 700.
and am open to recommendation in this price range.

 

[Shady_Jay]

Re: Super Sniper HD

The SS line of scopes work well. I have viewed a few HD scopes and have no complaints. I own a 10X regular SS and a 3-9 FFP with no issues.

 

[Graham]

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I ordered one with my certificate from the Cup match. It's worth it.

 

[SWFA]

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While the 16x you own is a very good scope the HD is on a different level. It really excels at longer ranges, the resolution is amazing.

It's obvious down side is being a fixed 10x. If I were you I would keep your place in line for the PST and if it does not pan out you will be able to sell it quickly. I will discount an HD by the amount of money you lose (within reason) if and when you sell your PST (which I don't anticipate happening).

If you just gotta have something now, keep your PST back order and watch www.SampleList.com for a demo HD. Use it until the PST comes out, play with both and sell whichever one does not work best for you.

 

[USACS]

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^^ Hard to argue with customer service like that! ^^

 

[Shady_Jay]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USACS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^ Hard to argue with customer service like that! ^^ </div></div>

SWFA is local to DFW and goes out of their way to take care of shooters.

 

[Dantrom]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While the 16x you own is a very good scope the HD is on a different level. It really excels at longer ranges, the resolution is amazing.

It's obvious down side is being a fixed 10x. If I were you I would keep your place in line for the PST and if it does not pan out you will be able to sell it quickly. I will discount an HD by the amount of money you lose (within reason) if and when you sell your PST (which I don't anticipate happening).

If you just gotta have something now, keep your PST back order and watch www.SampleList.com for a demo HD. Use it until the PST comes out, play with both and sell whichever one does not work best for you.
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WOW! Im really impressed.
So are you <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">anticipating</span></span> the PST line to be on the same level as the SS HD (Quality and Clarity)? If so I would be very interested in keeping my place in line for the PST. Also I was under the impression the HD was a limited quantity production. Is this true?

 

[SWFA]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WOW! Im really impressed.
So are you <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">anticipating</span></span> the PST line to be on the same level as the SS HD (Quality and Clarity)? If so I would be very interested in keeping my place in line for the PST. Also I was under the impression the HD was a limited quantity production. Is this true? </div></div>

We do not anticipate the PST line to be equal to or better than the HD. I just don't want you to be second guessing your decision. Right now the PST line is a gamble and they will be hard to get if you are not in line already. So I would hate for you to give up that spot, so unless you are in need of a scope now I would hold off.

 

[Dantrom]

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is it true that the hd is a limited run?
get em while they last?

 

[hydro556]

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I would be hesitant to put a fixed 10X on any hunting rifle.

Nothing more frustrating than looking at a yote a 60 yards with your eyes but not finding him in your scope because you cant increase FOV. JMO.

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: Super Sniper HD

After handleing the SS 10 X And picking up close targets with ease. I would not worry about a fixed being a problem. The plus is that the mil system works best on a fixed(on a vary its only right on one power setting ) and a fixed is alot less prone to problms. I seen plenty of the $2000 + varys quit after 2 shots let the bells and whistels stay on the clown cars. Also 10x will work out to 1000 m + why would anybody need more Mag.? Great for checking your pulse in the feild.I think too many guys use their weapon scope instead of a spotting scope or binos. Not a good Idea only point your weapon at the TARGET not a possible TARGET.
Scot

 

[blklabs]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The plus is that the mil system works best on a fixed(on a vary its only right on one power setting ) and a fixed is alot less prone to problms. </div></div>

Not true as the SS is a front focal plane (ffp) scope. In ffp scopes, the mils are accurate on all power ranges. In second focal planes (sfp) scopes, the mils are only accurate at one power setting. Personally if I was using the scope for hunting purposes I would get the 3-9. Like hyrdo mentioned, its difficult for me to get on a moving target up close at the higher magnification ranges.

 

[Lindy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I seen plenty of the $2000 + varys quit after 2 shots let the bells and whistels stay on the clown cars. Also 10x will work out to 1000 m + why would anybody need more Mag.?</div></div>

Well, then, I guess then in your judgement the Marine Corps was foolish for transitioning from a fixed 10-power scope to a variable 3-15 power.

I think the judgement of the snipers in the Marine Corps is superior to your's on this subject.

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

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If you think just Because a product gets a Goverment contract it's the best I guess you missed when they issued the M-16 and other such shit like woodland camo in the sand box . And what 3-15 are they using/built to what spec?/for how much/ all varys are not created equal .Bottom line a !0x fixed works and is plenty tough. B.T.W. Try calling for air support when your latest gizomo $2000 civi scope shits the bed. Apples to oranages to compare the Corp to a Civi opp.But if your shotting inproves because you have the new and improved wiz bang with the cig lighter and coffee maker GOd Bless you. I don't feel under scoped with a lowly 10x
Scot

 

[gugubica]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't feel under scoped with a lowly 10x </div></div>

I do...and I've used a lot of scopes. Actually, at times I have felt under scoped with a 10x and at times I have felt over scoped with a 10x. That is why I don't run a fixed 10x anymore.

A scope is a tool. If the job you are doing only requires a 10x fixed scope, then you are in great shape. If you job you are doing requires 3x in one situation and 15x in another, then you have the wrong tool.

 

[Lindy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And what 3-15 are they using/built to what spec?/</div></div>

If you don't already know the answer to that question, you are not qualified to participate in this discussion.

 

[aqualung]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And what 3-15 are they using/built to what spec?/</div></div>

If you don't already know the answer to that question, you are not qualified to participate in this discussion.

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Bit snippy today aren't we Lindy?

Not like you.

N

 

[shane45]

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Actually I was suprised Lindy didnt kick him in the balls a lot harder! Scot's statements make it rather clear he thinks he is on another keyboard comando forum and his comments clearly illustrate he is a bit behind the curve on his optics knowledge, yet he still takes Lindy to task LOL.

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: Super Sniper HD

I'm sorry I did not know I was talking to God. Missed the entrance exam to being in this conversation. But opinions are like assholes thats why they atract them . Go tell Hathcock he was doing it with the wrong scope.I don't think the paper you experts shoot at makes you Sniping Gurus. But I'm sure you read it in the ad that you are right.I'm out of this pissing contest .Lindy and Shane45 you must be right you agree and that all that matters.As far as the curve goes Just becasue you disagree with the "new" stuff" don't mean you arn't up to speed Iit means you can read between the lines.
Scot

 

[gugubica]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sorry I did not know I was talking to God. </div></div>

The funny part is that you say that with sarcasm...but you really were talking to a god. Lindy has more knowledge and experience in optics than any man I have ever known.

And seriously, you are most likely outclassed by a lot the "paper punchers" here.

Wrong forum.

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you think just Because a product gets a Goverment contract it's the best I guess you missed when they issued the M-16 and other such shit like woodland camo in the sand box . And what 3-15 are they using/built to what spec?/for how much/ all varys are not created equal .Bottom line a !0x fixed works and is plenty tough. B.T.W. Try calling for air support when your latest gizomo $2000 civi scope shits the bed. Apples to oranages to compare the Corp to a Civi opp.But if your shotting inproves because you have the new and improved wiz bang with the cig lighter and coffee maker GOd Bless you. I don't feel under scoped with a lowly 10x
Scot </div></div>

I said the same thing until I played around with one of those wizz-bang-cigarette-lighter-cup-holder-bottle-opener-fancy-shmancy-new-fangled-tiknolloggy variable power Nightforce scopes. Now I want one.

To each his own I guess.

 

[Jaeger308]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sorry I did not know I was talking to God. Missed the entrance exam to being in this conversation. But opinions are like assholes thats why they atract them . Go tell Hathcock he was doing it with the wrong scope.<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">I don't think the paper you experts shoot at makes you Sniping Gurus</span>.</span> But I'm sure you read it in the ad that you are right.I'm out of this pissing contest .Lindy and Shane45 you must be right you agree and that all that matters.As far as the curve goes Just becasue you disagree with the "new" stuff" don't mean you arn't up to speed Iit means you can read between the lines.
Scot </div></div>

I generally do not get into the cess pool of arguments on the hide but damn!
Scot, your village in Ga. called, they want their idiot back.

To the original post to answer your question one must know at what range are you planning most of your shots, target and hunting? I ran a SS 16x for time and it worked well for its purpose. The eye relief was a little tight for my liking, but never had a problem with the scope.

 

[Lindy]

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The question is not who I am. It's not about credentials.

The question is, is there an argument in favor a fixed-power scope by a military sniper?

You have failed to present one.

Carlos Hathcock, back in the day, used the best equipment at hand. His military sniper descendants, in the sense that they have a legacy which is traced back to him, are now using FFP variable scopes.

In addition, I know of no snipers of a major military force who are not using variable power scopes. In addition, most of those are using scopes with FFP reticles, or have plans to convert from SFP to FFP.

You not only can't read between the lines, but you're not on the same page with most of the military snipers on the planet.

The late Damon Runyon said, "The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet."

My money is not on your opinion, but aligned with the guys who are doing it in the field, which you are not.

 

[Basher]

Re: Super Sniper HD

Scot, it's true that you're entitled to your opinion. And that's fine. The problem is, so is everybody else, and you opted to critisize a member of these forums who has been here a long time, and knows more than most people ever will on the subject of long range shooting. Sure, a fixed 10x will work just fine (and has for a while), but when more magnification on a rifle can give you the edge, why turn it down?!? Many (not all, but many) wars have been won because somebody gained a technological advantage over their foes, and used those advances properly. Why sits still and let other nations pass us by and conquer us when we can do something about it?!

The OP asked if the SS HD scopes were good, and they are, but for his uses other people think a variable would work better. Ultimately, the OP will have to decide for himself which works for him.

If you deserve your opinion, others deserve theirs as well.

 

[BCP]

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To the OP:

If you have a spot in line for a PST I would wait. Considering the features they have & the company that is making them they will be worth waiting for.

 

[athhud]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

We do not anticipate the PST line to be equal to or better than the HD. I just don't want you to be second guessing your decision. Right now the PST line is a gamble and they will be hard to get if you are not in line already. So I would hate for you to give up that spot, so unless you are in need of a scope now I would hold off. </div></div>

Then get your asses in gear with a high mag variable FFP Super Sniper!!!
I was gonna sell out and go with a PST, but not if it isn't up to SS standards...

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Then get your asses in gear with a high mag variable FFP Super Sniper!!!
I was gonna sell out and go with a PST, but not if it isn't up to SS standards...

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I think they already did that in the Xotic scopes which are now discontinued.

As far as they don't anticipate them to be "as good" I don't know. I think he means in glass quality terms. I've used the HD model and it's nice, but it didn't really blow my doors off. Basically they took everything that was good in the 10X regular model and made it better. If you want a straight 10X scope with matching reticle and knobs I can't think of a better one for the price. It's not a Schmidt & Bender but it is a good, solid scope from a good company.

 

[shane45]

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Scot, no pissing contest here. Simply you seem to be unaware that the new line of SS scopes are FFP so your statement about ranging on one magnification was wrong. You are clearly unaware of what models are currently being feilded. What exactly is a civy scope? Most of the FFP higher end scopes used and talked about regulerly here are identical to their Mil/LE counterparts. With your errors and omissions what exactly are you bringing to the table? I am no guru myself, and thats why I try only to speak about what I know for sure AND I can take being corrected if in error.

2 more things, you cant call in an air strike with a scope, you need to use the radio and you cant correct the deceased, they wont hear you.

 

[blklabs]

Re: Super Sniper HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And what 3-15 are they using/built to what spec?/</div></div>

If you don't already know the answer to that question, you are not qualified to participate in this discussion.

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lol @ Lindy. Scot I am a newbie here as well. Let me give you a little advise. You need to grow thick skin and before you call someone out you had better do a little research on them. Go to your watch list and add Lindy. Go back and read all of his posts then come and tell us if he is qualified to be speaking on the subject.

 

[Target In Sight]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaeger308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sorry I did not know I was talking to God. Missed the entrance exam to being in this conversation. But opinions are like assholes thats why they atract them . Go tell Hathcock he was doing it with the wrong scope.<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">I don't think the paper you experts shoot at makes you Sniping Gurus</span>.</span> But I'm sure you read it in the ad that you are right.I'm out of this pissing contest .Lindy and Shane45 you must be right you agree and that all that matters.As far as the curve goes Just becasue you disagree with the "new" stuff" don't mean you arn't up to speed Iit means you can read between the lines.
Scot </div></div>

I generally do not get into the cess pool of arguments on the hide but damn!
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Scot, your village in Ga. called, they want their idiot back.</span></span>

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There is no better way to say it, lol

To the OP, learn from Scot's mistake and listen to Lindy.

 

[Derek Myers]

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A scope is to each mans own preference.........the best tool for the job. When I shot in the field 20 years ago I had the chance to use higher end fixed power scopes but in the field on different continents in different weather and lots of abuse I used a Redfield 3-9......I needed the 3x.......plus I think alot of guys now spend so much time using high mag at close ranges their eyes get weak. I am buying a bolt gun from a IPSC and 3 gun shooter who tried his hand at scoped weapons. THis guy is a good shooter but he can only shoot 3 shot groups....because by shot 4 and 5 his eyes with contacts granted start blurring and seeing double. I see tons of guys now who for 100 yard shots shoot at 15-20x..because they have it.

Use the best equipment that you can use the best to complete your task to the best of your abilty.

One more thing........in training new shooters here is something I have found that works. SWFA makes some good SS rings.....they have a top ring that has a mount on it perfect for a mini/micro dot sight. If you are hunting or shooting hidden targets or a new shooter and need to transfer the imagine from you eye to your magnified reticle view it through your 1x micro sight and then lower your head to your primary scope and boom.....you should be right on. Now is the cheek weld great on the micro and primary no......set your rig for the primary and use the micro as a training aid or for the flash site picture when the big buck jumps out of the brush 40 yards away......you will need a fast site picture more than a cheek weld at that time. Just my 2 cents worth.

Derek

 

[Dantrom]

Re: Super Sniper HD

Maybe to leave this all to rest, I have decided to go with the SS HD model. I am new to the concept of the FFP reticles and am maybe a little stand-offish about purchasing one right now(actually the pst I had on order was the SFP, what I was after is the Mil adjustments.). my funds are limited and was after the best product for the price. I hope that I will be happy with my decision, But if I find myself needing the variable I will most likely save up the difference sell the HD and go after a nightforce. just thinking out loud and hope that in no way offends anyones opinions on the matter. I am a member of this forum because I always used to come here seeking info and have the ut-most respect for the members of this webpage like Lindy, educated on the subject, honest, and humble to the not so members. This is a community and hope that in no way I ever offend the people whos opinions I never take for granted.
thanks all for the participation
Dan

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: Super Sniper HD

Dantrom, Please forgive me if I offended you in any way. I let myself get upset when someone talked down to me and responded with rude comments. Yesterday was my 49th Birthday(Big friggin deal) and I will not have someone talk to me like they are talking to somebody that has no life experence. It happens all the time on these Forums that just because someone has XXXX post and agrees with another guy with XXXXXXX post the subject is not REALLY open for debate. If MR. lindy would have talked with respect and presented himself as a expert ,with facts. I would have gladly responded in the same manner. As for all the fellows that chimed in with things that were less than productive. That type of "you tell him big guy shit" is classic shcool yard B.S..I feel your choice in the end will more that fill your needs. And in the end only you need to feel it does.As for the fellow that made the Village Idiot coment you have no Idea where I'm from or what I've seem. But I assure everyone there will always be the one that chimes in via a keyboard with such crap that would not say it to the persons face. Sad but welcome to the world of the web. Also to the other members and the mods. Sorry I let this crap under my skin.I am more than open to learning I just refuse to be shoved around .Thank you.
Scot

 

[shane45]

Re: Super Sniper HD

Scot, again it is clear that your just lumping this forum in with all the others you have been to. This is a mistake. In this forum you would have a hard time swinging a dead cat by the tail and not hitting somone that was operational, is operational, makes the items for those that are operational or train the operators. All other factions of keyboard commandos, wannabe's etc etc are represented as well but learn real quick to get in their own lane. Everyone has an opinion. However yours was clearly formed in error and went in the exact opposite of what is currently being accepted by the pointiest tips of the spear. You have yet to acknowledge your lack of current info on optics or your error in regards to FFP/SFP. You speak of respect. You gave advice based on incorrect information and demonstrated a lack of optics knowledge... you were called on it, not disrespected.

Scot, I sincerely believe that your a good guy trying to find your way a bit here on this forum. My advice to you is to pull up a seat next to me and watch and learn from those that know. THIS IS NOT AN IMPEACHMENT of your knowledge or experience. Knowledge here is a bit like a fast car, there is always someone with one faster and we happen to be sitting at the dragstrip! Learning who all the front runners are will pay you twofold on who's advice to listen to. Its not a post count, coolaid situation. I have Taken advice from Lindy AND APPLIED it with great success. So its through actual experience that I listen to what he has to say. That and years of watching this man tirelessly re-explain fundamentals over and over again to newcomers and help at every turn.

Regards,
Shane

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: Super Sniper HD

I hear what your saying Shane and hope we all can move foward and not let this be an issue in the future. If I would have known/read where you are from I would graded your post on a curve. N.J. breeds a different kind of person. I should know Born in Rahway N.J. and raised Downneck I try not to keep that chip on my shoulder but bad habits die hard. Funny that Dan went the "Old School" route. Guess it's not a Spear with just a tip L.O.L.
Thanks for your reply
Scot

 

[Rancid Coolaid]

Re: Super Sniper HD

Dantrom, you will be pleased with the purchase, the HD is the best glass I've seen at that price. Turrets are dead nuts, scope is over-built and very solid.

Enjoy.

Staying out of the rest of the thread. It goes in the "life is too short" category.

 

[AUJohn]

Re: Super Sniper HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After handleing the SS 10 X And picking up close targets with ease. I would not worry about a fixed being a problem. The plus is that the mil system works best on a fixed(on a vary its only right on one power setting ) and a fixed is alot less prone to problms. I seen plenty of the $2000 + varys quit after 2 shots let the bells and whistels stay on the clown cars. Also 10x will work out to 1000 m + why would anybody need more Mag.? Great for checking your pulse in the feild.I think too many guys use their weapon scope instead of a spotting scope or binos. Not a good Idea only point your weapon at the TARGET not a possible TARGET.
Scot </div></div>

More cheap scopes fail than expensive ones

MANY more.
The real question is (and I didn't see anyone ask it) what are you shooting at?
18inch steel plates at 1k then yes, 10x is ample.
I like 24x minimum at 1k BUT on some days I can't run more than 14 due to conditions.
Shooting at small targets REQUIRES higher powers. Reading conditions REQUIRES enough power.
If you are doing this with 10x then you need to step up and show everyone else how. Maybe we can see your name in some comp lists? Yes? Or are you too good?

As for being spoken down to, when you tell those who KNOW and have SHOWN it they are wrong and try to talk down to them you can expect them to try and help you. OTOH, if you can show you are an equal I'm sure they would love to have some decent discussion about your opinions. My guess is that this places is a great forum for you to read and learn.

 

[Derek Myers]

Re: Super Sniper HD

You will get great service from Chris and the crew at SWFA. If you don't like the scope or change your mind you can drop $75 off of what you paid and sell it on here in 24 hours or Chris and the guys take trades on all scopes so you are good to go either way. And if for some reason you break it....you are covered the SS line is 50 BMG tested and approved.

Shane speaks very true about this forum.......the swinging the cat by the tail thing speaks very very true. Operators, world class steel and paper punchers etc etc. You can't go to any other forum and see owners/Presidents of major companies in this industry and not only members but frequent users of the forum. And I don't mean guys who hit all the forums when they want to announce new products or what have you. I mean guys that build guns, produce bullets and powders, manufacter optics and barrels etc. All of these guys are here not only to help but to learn as well..........you can't be an expert at everything. We all have our own areas of life experience and our areas of knowledge that may be "special" in some way. But everybody listens and most help if they feel they can. Granted this isn't a place for free lunches.......if guys aren't willing to use the search key or open their eyes and ears once in awhile they might get "educated" slightly but opinions are what make this board. Lowlight has been gracious enough that unless someone comes on here with a weapon on full auto.......with unaimed fire solely bent on destruction you won't get kicked off.

I'm an old(er) guy myself just hit 42 and although because of my real world field experience I feel I am pretty well rounded on some topics. But that doesn't mean someone 20 years my junior has not helped answer a question I had more than once. Heck I am old school enough that my next scope will still probablely be in MOA's and SFP........a know a bunch of younger guys are choking right know

This is a good place to be..........huge base of knowledge here. I remember I had an AR for sale a couple years back and listed it here but also on another board specific to AR's. Somebody on that board ask me a question and I answered it in the thread where it was asked.........I got my thread locked and banned from the site for a week or something because I should have answered the question via PM!!! Because his question came in the first 24 hours of the thread being posted I was using his question to "bump" my thread or I was so accused and on that site you can only bump your thread every 24 hours or something. Haven't been back since.

Take care all and good shooting-Derek

 

[Big Bo]

Re: Super Sniper HD

HBD Scot.