Supertrickler Scale Drift

[Roadrace33]

I have 2 Supertricklers. One gen 1, one gen 2. To my knowledge the gen 2 has more anti static parts. I keep my loading room(basement) at 70 degrees and 40% humidity. The past 6-8 months I’ve been shooting competitions a lot more and focusing on weeding out the little stupid shit that causes minor issues. A few small things here and there will eventually add up to something.

I’ve noticed a lot of scale drift. I had some crazy SD with my dasher at last outing and I finally said enough. My charge weight is 31 grains of varget. I pulled the remaining 20 rounds and weighed them all. They span from 30.84-31.14. That would explain an SD OF 17 on a dasher, arguable one of the easiest calibers to load for.

The scales are literally drifting that much, while in use. Sometimes when I set the cup back on the platen, it will read anywhere from - .1 clear to .1

So next what I did was I finally grounded my scales directly to my breaker panel and isolated the trickler son a different table, different outlet altogether. Different circuit too, not the same breaker. This helped some.

So I loaded 20 rounds. I loaded 10 with each trickler. My results with the gen 1 trickler set at 31GR - 5 charges were within my .02 plus or minus tolerance. The other 5 were .06-.08 high.

With the gen 2, 8/10 were within the tolerance. 2 were overcharged by .02. So they were 31.04. Which, I’m still ok with. But no more than that…

I ran an autotrickler v4 a few years ago. I sold it as soon as I got the supertrickler because imediatilly I liked it a lot… and I still do, but the more I use it the more I pick apart its flaws. I assume that since it is a massive piece of plastic, it just cause drift. That’s just the way it is? Now the gen2 is obviously better, and I could just buy another gen2 but it just has me wondering about the v4 AT again. I have a buddy who is a really good top level prs shooter who I spoke with about it and he claims zero issues with his autotrickler v4s and I believe him.

I’m kinda at the point of buying an autotrickler again, and doing this same comparison. I don’t recall ever having a drift issue with my old one. I know it would drift some, but it was .02 of drift over long periods of time. The supertrickler is drifting while throwing, and cause charges to be off.

Here is two pictures of my tricklers right after throwing a charge, and then coming back about 30 minutes later.

 

[straightshooter1]

I have 2 Supertricklers. One gen 1, one gen 2. To my knowledge the gen 2 has more anti static parts. I keep my loading room(basement) at 70 degrees and 40% humidity. The past 6-8 months I’ve been shooting competitions a lot more and focusing on weeding out the little stupid shit that causes minor issues. A few small things here and there will eventually add up to something.

I’ve noticed a lot of scale drift. I had some crazy SD with my dasher at last outing and I finally said enough. My charge weight is 31 grains of varget. I pulled the remaining 20 rounds and weighed them all. They span from 30.84-31.14. That would explain an SD OF 17 on a dasher, arguable one of the easiest calibers to load for.

The scales are literally drifting that much, while in use. Sometimes when I set the cup back on the platen, it will read anywhere from - .1 clear to .1

So next what I did was I finally grounded my scales directly to my breaker panel and isolated the trickler son a different table, different outlet altogether. Different circuit too, not the same breaker. This helped some.

So I loaded 20 rounds. I loaded 10 with each trickler. My results with the gen 1 trickler set at 31GR - 5 charges were within my .02 plus or minus tolerance. The other 5 were .06-.08 high.

With the gen 2, 8/10 were within the tolerance. 2 were overcharged by .02. So they were 31.04. Which, I’m still ok with. But no more than that…

I ran an autotrickler v4 a few years ago. I sold it as soon as I got the supertrickler because imediatilly I liked it a lot… and I still do, but the more I use it the more I pick apart its flaws. I assume that since it is a massive piece of plastic, it just cause drift. That’s just the way it is? Now the gen2 is obviously better, and I could just buy another gen2 but it just has me wondering about the v4 AT again. I have a buddy who is a really good top level prs shooter who I spoke with about it and he claims zero issues with his autotrickler v4s and I believe him.

I’m kinda at the point of buying an autotrickler again, and doing this same comparison. I don’t recall ever having a drift issue with my old one. I know it would drift some, but it was .02 of drift over long periods of time. The supertrickler is drifting while throwing, and cause charges to be off.

Here is two pictures of my tricklers right after throwing a charge, and then coming back about 30 minutes later.

With that kind of drift, you might as well be using a ChargeMaster.

BTW: I assume that before you use your Supertrickler's you have them turned on well before use (like maybe an hour beforehand)?

These kinds of issues are deal breakers for me at that price point.

 

[Roadrace33]

With that kind of drift, you might as well be using a ChargeMaster.

BTW: I assume that before you use your Supertrickler's you have them turned on well before use (like maybe an hour beforehand)?

These kinds of issues are deal breakers for me at that price point.

That is exactly what i was thinking, but just didn't say it....

Oh ya, tried it every which way. Off, then let it warmup for up to 2 hours, tried it the same after putting them to "sleep" then turn back on, and lately what I've been doing is just leaving them on 24/7. None of these three ways changed much of anything though.

The thing works good though, like i do enjoy using it otherwise. Its smart, its quick, its easy to use for me, but it fucking DRIFTS BAD!

Im going to go play with an AT V4, and if i like it im just gonna buy two of them and use them strictly for my match loads... I use Varget 75% of the time, h4350 the other 25%.

If i go that route, ill probably keep these, use em for other shit that im not so worried about. It was almost sickening to see the results after re-weighing them.

 

[straightshooter1]

That is exactly what i was thinking, but just didn't say it....

Oh ya, tried it every which way. Off, then let it warmup for up to 2 hours, tried it the same after putting them to "sleep" then turn back on, and lately what I've been doing is just leaving them on 24/7. None of these three ways changed much of anything though.

The thing works good though, like i do enjoy using it otherwise. Its smart, its quick, its easy to use for me, but it fucking DRIFTS BAD!

Im going to go play with an AT V4, and if i like it im just gonna buy two of them and use them strictly for my match loads... I use Varget 75% of the time, h4350 the other 25%.

If i go that route, ill probably keep these, use em for other shit that im not so worried about. It was almost sickening to see the results after re-weighing them.

I've been using an FX-120i now for a few years (manually throwing a charge and then manually trickling up) and haven't really had any drifting issue. It will definitely drift after a cold start and start weighing right away. Leaving it on for an hour or so, it settles down where I then don't see any drifting, though I still check it periodically during a charging session just to be sure.

Because these scales are so good about having little or no drift, I'm kinda baffled as to what would cause the issue you're having. It suggests to me it might have something to do with the weight of the SuperTrickler sitting on the scale's plastic housing somehow effecting the sensitive internals of the scale??? I would test one of those scales without the trickler on it, maybe using the same platter to set the cup on, and see if there's any difference in drifting going on then.

 

[John Glidewell]

what are your scales plugged into? I had drift issues. I contacted AnD and they had me isolate the scales from any other electronics. So they got their own power strip and outlet. They also told me to ground the unit, it has a ground on the back of it. I have not had any drift issues since. Just to test this I plugged my laptop in the power strip and had it open and running, and the scale drifted again. Might be worth a try if you have not done this already.

 

[Herb Stoner]

I'm not an expert on the electronic interface between the tricklers and the scale, but it seems that the drift would be a scale issue - not a trickler issue. I have both a Gen2 Supertrickler and a AT V4 and don't have notable drift issues with either.

 

[ma smith]

how often are you calibrating the scale and is the actual calibration/zero also drifting?

 

[Roadrace33]

Up until now, i calibrated them probably every month roughly.

Last night I opened up the breaker panel, and i have one outlet box next to it that is totally unused, on its own 15Amp braker. I ran a 25' extension cord 12G or 14G, cant remember, to that outlet, then to my scales. Then i also grounded both scales to a "Y" i made, then ran the ground wire direct to my panel.. The only electronic near it was my Amp and Ampmate, which i moved yesterday aswell.

Good idea, i will load up a charge weight without the trickler on top, and walk away for an hour, see what happens....