I know some rifles will shoot .30moa, and others are over 1". If you have a .30moa rifle, will your accuracy decrease if you have a suppressor on it? Im curious to know since a regular 308 round is going 2700fps, and suppressed, around 1100fps.
Suppressors Suppressor Accuracy
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Re: Suppressor Accuracy
If you have a 2700 FPS round and run it through a suppressor, it will still go 2700 FPS.
I have rifles that shoot sub-moa suppressed and unsuppressed.
If you have a 2700 FPS round and run it through a suppressor, it will still go 2700 FPS.
I have rifles that shoot sub-moa suppressed and unsuppressed.
Re: Suppressor Accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know some rifles will shoot .30moa, and others are over 1". If you have a .30moa rifle, will your accuracy decrease if you have a suppressor on it? Im curious to know since a regular 308 round is going 2700fps, and suppressed, around 1100fps. </div></div>
Aggressive MOA stats and MV often go hand-in-hand. Forget the MOA part. The suppressor is designed and utilized for full-power launch of projectile (not 1100fps). In many cases it will slightly increase MV.
There is allot of energy that would lead to report or "bang!" to be muffled outside of supersonic "crack" where a suppressor is utility device.
Most see a substantial change in POI, if your lucky it is purely vertical only. The corrected POI isn't any less accurate or inhibitive in proper application and the recoil reduction is a plus. The con factors are length and mass on the end of your muzzle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know some rifles will shoot .30moa, and others are over 1". If you have a .30moa rifle, will your accuracy decrease if you have a suppressor on it? Im curious to know since a regular 308 round is going 2700fps, and suppressed, around 1100fps. </div></div>
Aggressive MOA stats and MV often go hand-in-hand. Forget the MOA part. The suppressor is designed and utilized for full-power launch of projectile (not 1100fps). In many cases it will slightly increase MV.
There is allot of energy that would lead to report or "bang!" to be muffled outside of supersonic "crack" where a suppressor is utility device.
Most see a substantial change in POI, if your lucky it is purely vertical only. The corrected POI isn't any less accurate or inhibitive in proper application and the recoil reduction is a plus. The con factors are length and mass on the end of your muzzle.
Re: Suppressor Accuracy
What I meant to ask was factory rounds in relation to using subsonic rounds. Using factory rounds without a can VS using subsonic rounds with a can. Are there any accuracy difference.
What I meant to ask was factory rounds in relation to using subsonic rounds. Using factory rounds without a can VS using subsonic rounds with a can. Are there any accuracy difference.
Re: Suppressor Accuracy
My AR-15, Savage 308 and Remington 338 ultra mag were made for supersonic ammo. They typically group nearly 2 times larger with subsonic ammo. My 300/338/510 whispers group well with subsonic ammo. The 300 and 338 whispers do nearly the same with supersonic ammo, but that might be due to bullet selection. My 458 socom groups a bit better with supersonic vs subsonic.
It has been my experience that a silencer has nothing to do with how accurate a gun is as long as it is mounted correctly.
Ranb
My AR-15, Savage 308 and Remington 338 ultra mag were made for supersonic ammo. They typically group nearly 2 times larger with subsonic ammo. My 300/338/510 whispers group well with subsonic ammo. The 300 and 338 whispers do nearly the same with supersonic ammo, but that might be due to bullet selection. My 458 socom groups a bit better with supersonic vs subsonic.
It has been my experience that a silencer has nothing to do with how accurate a gun is as long as it is mounted correctly.
Ranb
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What range are you shooting at. Even with .30 cal bullets wind factors in a significant way for subsonic ammo most of which uses flat base soft or hollow points.
A slightly relevant example is my savage .22 that shoots .5 moa with cci subsonics on a calm day. The mini mags group about 1.5 moa (standard velocity). When i take it out to 100 if there is any breeze both ammo groups the same because wind which is rarely constant is acting on the subsonics for a longer period of time.
I would bet your experiences are either ammo related or wind related. A suppressor shouldn't effect the accuracy of your rifle.
What range are you shooting at. Even with .30 cal bullets wind factors in a significant way for subsonic ammo most of which uses flat base soft or hollow points.
A slightly relevant example is my savage .22 that shoots .5 moa with cci subsonics on a calm day. The mini mags group about 1.5 moa (standard velocity). When i take it out to 100 if there is any breeze both ammo groups the same because wind which is rarely constant is acting on the subsonics for a longer period of time.
I would bet your experiences are either ammo related or wind related. A suppressor shouldn't effect the accuracy of your rifle.
Re: Suppressor Accuracy
The simple answer is there is little to no difference between shooting in suppressed and suppressed. The main thing to be aware of is that the pressures will go up significantly shooting suppressed. Do not use your hot loads with a suppressor. Work your load up until you see pressure signs and go from there.Use a lighter load when shooting suppressed. I have shots thousands of factory ammo loads suppressed and have had no pressure issues. I went to hand loads and locked an AR up from shooting hot loads suppressed and not paying attention.
The simple answer is there is little to no difference between shooting in suppressed and suppressed. The main thing to be aware of is that the pressures will go up significantly shooting suppressed. Do not use your hot loads with a suppressor. Work your load up until you see pressure signs and go from there.Use a lighter load when shooting suppressed. I have shots thousands of factory ammo loads suppressed and have had no pressure issues. I went to hand loads and locked an AR up from shooting hot loads suppressed and not paying attention.
Re: Suppressor Accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobcatT870</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The simple answer is there is little to no difference between shooting in suppressed and suppressed. The main thing to be aware of is that the pressures will go up significantly shooting suppressed. Do not use your hot loads with a suppressor. Work your load up until you see pressure signs and go from there.Use a lighter load when shooting suppressed. I have shots thousands of factory ammo loads suppressed and have had no pressure issues. I went to hand loads and locked an AR up from shooting hot loads suppressed and not paying attention. </div></div>
The pressures will not go up if the suppressor is the only difference in the system.
Look at it this way. At the point when the projectile leaves the barrel, there is no difference between an unsuppressed firing and a suppressed firing. Also, the pressure in the barrel is dropping after the projectile has moved a short way down the barrel, so the exhaust pressure at the time the projectile leaves the bore is the same.
I put forth that the breech face, sees no higher pressures with a suppressor installed that without.
With regard to your AR locking up, there is a likely hypothesis for it: your gas system saw too much duration of high pressure gas. Normally when shooting unsuppressed, your gas pressure drops to near zero when the projectile leaves the bore. With the suppressor installed, especially if the suppressor has a small rear chamber, the gas pressure does not fall off as quickly. The same effect might be duplicated by using your gas systems as-is and extending the barrel beyond the gas port.
This added duration of high pressure gas adds to the impulse of the gas cylinder and tries to extract before the chamber pressure has dropped and the cartridge case has released from the chamber walls. The extractor pulls over the rim of the case and VIOLA: case stuck in chamber.
To make the rifle run correctly, you basically would then need to throttle the gas port to get the correct amount of energy required to properly actuate the gas piston.
I have a 6.5 Grendel that shoots sweet but was almost over gassed from the factory without a suppressor. I only want shoot it suppressed, so for convenience sake, I just (welded up) and re-drilled the low profile gas block. I meant to do more to it later, but it shoots well enough I have not wanted to screw with it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobcatT870</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The simple answer is there is little to no difference between shooting in suppressed and suppressed. The main thing to be aware of is that the pressures will go up significantly shooting suppressed. Do not use your hot loads with a suppressor. Work your load up until you see pressure signs and go from there.Use a lighter load when shooting suppressed. I have shots thousands of factory ammo loads suppressed and have had no pressure issues. I went to hand loads and locked an AR up from shooting hot loads suppressed and not paying attention. </div></div>
The pressures will not go up if the suppressor is the only difference in the system.
Look at it this way. At the point when the projectile leaves the barrel, there is no difference between an unsuppressed firing and a suppressed firing. Also, the pressure in the barrel is dropping after the projectile has moved a short way down the barrel, so the exhaust pressure at the time the projectile leaves the bore is the same.
I put forth that the breech face, sees no higher pressures with a suppressor installed that without.
With regard to your AR locking up, there is a likely hypothesis for it: your gas system saw too much duration of high pressure gas. Normally when shooting unsuppressed, your gas pressure drops to near zero when the projectile leaves the bore. With the suppressor installed, especially if the suppressor has a small rear chamber, the gas pressure does not fall off as quickly. The same effect might be duplicated by using your gas systems as-is and extending the barrel beyond the gas port.
This added duration of high pressure gas adds to the impulse of the gas cylinder and tries to extract before the chamber pressure has dropped and the cartridge case has released from the chamber walls. The extractor pulls over the rim of the case and VIOLA: case stuck in chamber.
To make the rifle run correctly, you basically would then need to throttle the gas port to get the correct amount of energy required to properly actuate the gas piston.
I have a 6.5 Grendel that shoots sweet but was almost over gassed from the factory without a suppressor. I only want shoot it suppressed, so for convenience sake, I just (welded up) and re-drilled the low profile gas block. I meant to do more to it later, but it shoots well enough I have not wanted to screw with it.
Re: Suppressor Accuracy
Trust me!!! There is not accuracy issues with the Thunderbeast 30p-1 on my 7saum improved. LOVE IT!!!
5 rounds 100 yards suppressed.
Trust me!!! There is not accuracy issues with the Thunderbeast 30p-1 on my 7saum improved. LOVE IT!!!
5 rounds 100 yards suppressed.
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If I understand your question, it is too broad to answer specifically. Comparing accuracy of factory supersonic unsuppressed to sub-sonic suppressed introduces too many variables to give a meaningful answer. You need to limit it to just one variable (same round suppressed vs unsuppressed, or supersonic suppressed vs subsonic suppressed). Your original question seems to require 2 different loads in the comparison, so just that alone introduces a variable. If your supersonic load (unsuppressed) was as accurate as your subsonic load (still unsuppressed), then you may be able to form a valid comparison by suppressing the subsonic load.
In general suppressors do NOT degrade accuracy, but in many cases actually improve it slightly.
If I understand your question, it is too broad to answer specifically. Comparing accuracy of factory supersonic unsuppressed to sub-sonic suppressed introduces too many variables to give a meaningful answer. You need to limit it to just one variable (same round suppressed vs unsuppressed, or supersonic suppressed vs subsonic suppressed). Your original question seems to require 2 different loads in the comparison, so just that alone introduces a variable. If your supersonic load (unsuppressed) was as accurate as your subsonic load (still unsuppressed), then you may be able to form a valid comparison by suppressing the subsonic load.
In general suppressors do NOT degrade accuracy, but in many cases actually improve it slightly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Trust me!!! There is not accuracy issues with the Thunderbeast 30p-1 on my 7saum improved. LOVE IT!!!
5 rounds 100 yards suppressed.
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That's a pretty shit hot group-
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Trust me!!! There is not accuracy issues with the Thunderbeast 30p-1 on my 7saum improved. LOVE IT!!!
5 rounds 100 yards suppressed.
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That's a pretty shit hot group-
