Suppressors Suppressor options

[KaRwithaScar]

Hello,
I just bought a Colt upper with FBI HRT barrel. Im looking to do a pistol build and will eventually get a tax stamp for a suppressor.
Please give me your suggestions as to what is suitable for an 11.5" barrel. If possible I would like to be able to use the suppressor on 9mm and 45 handguns as well.

 

[smokin.338]

Keep them separated and dedicated to do their own roles... Pistol for Pistol and Rifle for Rifle cans. A do all can is not going to be as quiet as you would like. And having one that is rifle rated on a handgun is going to big and heavy!
Stick to this game plan and you'll be better serve:

22 LR
45 acp
308

These 3 calibers will cover almost 99% of everything you may need down the road...

 

[Huskydriver]

Personally if it's going on a 5.56 sbr I wouldn't get anything that didn't have a stellite or inconel blast baffle. Sbrs can be really hard on a can over time especially if your doing Rambo mag dumps.

Your going to have a some compromises if you want to suppress up to 45 acp on the same can you are running an sbr.

Only can I am aware of that is rated for an sbr and can go up to 45 call is a silencerco hybrid. I own one and it's def not the quietest can I own for it's size.

Your better off getting a dedicated rifle can for your sbr and a seperate pistol can.

 

[LeadZeke]

Kinda depends on what you want out of the suppressors. Length vs. weight vs. suppression levels vs. mounting system and all that.

For most people though the Dead Air Nomad with Keymo will be a great all-around rifle can, and the Dead Air Ghost 45M will be a great all around pistol can.

 

[jcomar1]

I would get a Hybrid for sure.

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

I was in the camp of buying as few as possible to cover the most ground and I was wrong.

An 11.5" is going to be harsh on your can. If you are going to run it a lot on the 11.5" get something dedicated and durable like a surefire or knights.

For bolt guns or longer barrel/low rate of fire something in a 30cal will work for anything except the 338 and 50 stuff and is fine as a multi purpose.

Pistols and 22lr need their own cans as well.

It may seem like saving up front but I can just about promise you that you will end up with more cans that are purpose built. Save yourself the headache and get what you need first time around.

 

[4350muncher]

@KaRwithaScar
I was in your exact position about a year ago, don't get a hybrid. As many have said get a dedicated can for each firearm category. The ones I was looking at and seem popular for good reason:

Rimfire: tbac 22, dead air mask, rugged oculus 22 (it's hard to go wrong with a rimfire can tho)

Pistol: rugged obsidian 45/9, if mostly on a pcc then wolfman

Rifle: tbac ultra 7, dead air nomad, if your doing mags dumps on the 11.5" then sandman S

If you gotta have a hybrid I would look at the silencerco 36M although you cant shoot 45apc through it (who cares?)

 

[nn8734]

Surefire Socom2 5.56
Knights QD SS NT4
Knights 556QDC

best options I know of for barrels <=14.5”

buy other cans for those pistols.

 

[Bcertoperator96]

I’m a bit of a DeadAir snob. I run the DeadAir Sandman S dedicated to my SBR, the TI on my bolt guns, the mask on the 22 and waiting on my Ghost M for the MPX which I’m most excited for. Best thing to do is get multiple and dedicate for best results.

 

[opus56]

Dead Air Sandman S or K on an SBR.

 

[NAS78]

Surefire Socom2 5.56
Knights QD SS NT4
Knights 556QDC

best options I know of for barrels <=14.5”

buy other cans for those pistols.

Why are these the best options for short barrels?

 

[nn8734]

Why are these the best options for short barrels?

They are built like tanks and designed specifically to minimize the high levels of backpressure found on ARs, especially SBRs.

They are all full auto rated, undergone thousands and thousands of hours of DOD testing and validation, not to mention all the service life hours on .mil guns across the services.

In Knight’s case, their newest mount system is the best QD design out there right now. (NT4 uses the older gate latch design)

It should be noted that these cans are NOT the quietest but if that’s what folks are looking for as top priority when suppressing SBRs, they got their priorities mixed up.

Hope that helps.

 

[Long Range 338]

Personally if it's going on a 5.56 sbr I wouldn't get anything that didn't have a stellite or inconel blast baffle. Sbrs can be really hard on a can over time especially if your doing Rambo mag dumps.

Your going to have a some compromises if you want to suppress up to 45 acp on the same can you are running an sbr.

Only can I am aware of that is rated for an sbr and can go up to 45 call is a silencerco hybrid. I own one and it's def not the quietest can I own for it's size.

Your better off getting a dedicated rifle can for your sbr and a seperate pistol can.

This and a can that is serviceable in the future without needing a new tax stamp.

 

[NAS78]

They are built like tanks and designed specifically to minimize the high levels of backpressure found on ARs, especially SBRs.

They are all full auto rated, undergone thousands and thousands of hours of DOD testing and validation, not to mention all the service life hours on .mil guns across the services.

In Knight’s case, their newest mount system is the best QD design out there right now. (NT4 uses the older gate latch design)

It should be noted that these cans are NOT the quietest but if that’s what folks are looking for as top priority when suppressing SBRs, they got their priorities mixed up.

Hope that helps.

I know quite a bit about cans. I just wanted to hear your response. Would you agree that best is very subjective especially considering there's many cans out there that are made of stellite stacks, are less expensive, and are quieter? Such as Sadman series and SiCo Saker

 

[nn8734]

I know quite a bit about cans....

Please share your knowledge as I’m sure the OP would appreciate it

 

[NAS78]

Please share your knowledge as I’m sure the OP would appreciate it.

Lol, ok.
OP, buy just about anything you want and can afford for your 11.5". Truth be known, full auto rated is just a feel good phrase as most suppressors will hold up to most anything you'll throw at. And if it does fail, companies will warranty it. It's a false sense of security. As long as its 17-4, Inconel, or Stellite then it'll outlast you. Personally, I'd skip the .mil cans unless you're wanting to do a clone. They suck at suppression and are more expensive. For certain buy a rifle can first then a pistol can later. Most find themselves shooting rifles suppressed more often than pistols.

 

[Bcertoperator96]

G

 

[Bcertoperator96]

Dead Air Sandman S or K on an SBR.

Both the S and K are awesome cans, however it depends on the purpose I would say of the can. I run an S on my sbr to have it more quiet. The K is a great can if your using it as an entry weapon can and need something shorter. We are looking at getting these at work for our sbr entry rifles as they will help with sound and be more compact then the S. You really can’t go wrong with any of their cans.

 

[KaRwithaScar]

I appreciate all the advice out there. Im curious as to what the FBI would use to suppress this specific barrel...the Colt HRT 11.5" heavy barrel. It was designed for them with a suppressor in mind and therefore the gas tube is sized to ideally handle a suppressed 11.5" barrel. Anyone have any ideas on that?

 

[NAS78]

I appreciate all the advice out there. Im curious as to what the FBI would use to suppress this specific barrel...the Colt HRT 11.5" heavy barrel. It was designed for them with a suppressor in mind and therefore the gas tube is sized to ideally handle a suppressed 11.5" barrel. Anyone have any ideas on that?

You're way overthinking this. Not sure what is meant by "gas tube ideally sized to handle a suppressed 11.5" barrel". Don't think there's such a thing.

 

[nn8734]

You're way overthinking this. Not sure what is meant by "gas tube ideally sized to handle a suppressed 11.5" barrel". Don't think there's such a thing.

Maybe he’s referring to the diameter of the gas port itself but that’s just a guess.

 

[NAS78]

Maybe he’s referring to the diameter of the gas port itself but just a guess.

Perhaps, I didn't think of it that way. Nonetheless, I run SLR sentry gas blocks to tune the gas how I want it

 

[nn8734]

Perhaps, I didn't think of it that way. Nonetheless, I run SLR sentry gas blocks to tune the gas how I want it

Agree, SLR makes great a.blocks.

 

[KaRwithaScar]

Keep them separated and dedicated to do their own roles... Pistol for Pistol and Rifle for Rifle cans. A do all can is not going to be as quiet as you would like. And having one that is rifle rated on a handgun is going to big and heavy!
Stick to this game plan and you'll be better serve:

22 LR
45 acp
308

These 3 calibers will cover almost 99% of everything you may need down the road...

So, Is there good options if I just get two suppressors....one for handgun 9mm and 45 in my case and one for rifle 5.56 and 7.62 in my case?

 

[KaRwithaScar]

I was in the camp of buying as few as possible to cover the most ground and I was wrong.

An 11.5" is going to be harsh on your can. If you are going to run it a lot on the 11.5" get something dedicated and durable like a surefire or knights.

For bolt guns or longer barrel/low rate of fire something in a 30cal will work for anything except the 338 and 50 stuff and is fine as a multi purpose.

Pistols and 22lr need their own cans as well.

It may seem like saving up front but I can just about promise you that you will end up with more cans that are purpose built. Save yourself the headache and get what you need first time around.

So a good 30 cal can would work well on a 308 and my 300 mag? ...and also on my 5.56 even if its not ideal? can I get an insert to better work with 5.56?

 

[KaRwithaScar]

They are built like tanks and designed specifically to minimize the high levels of backpressure found on ARs, especially SBRs.

They are all full auto rated, undergone thousands and thousands of hours of DOD testing and validation, not to mention all the service life hours on .mil guns across the services.

In Knight’s case, their newest mount system is the best QD design out there right now. (NT4 uses the older gate latch design)

It should be noted that these cans are NOT the quietest but if that’s what folks are looking for as top priority when suppressing SBRs, they got their priorities mixed up.

Hope that helps.

I really appreciate your input...I might be asking you more questions soon!

 

[KaRwithaScar]

Lol, ok.
OP, buy just about anything you want and can afford for your 11.5". Truth be known, full auto rated is just a feel good phrase as most suppressors will hold up to most anything you'll throw at. And if it does fail, companies will warranty it. It's a false sense of security. As long as its 17-4, Inconel, or Stellite then it'll outlast you. Personally, I'd skip the .mil cans unless you're wanting to do a clone. They suck at suppression and are more expensive. For certain buy a rifle can first then a pistol can later. Most find themselves shooting rifles suppressed more often than pistols.

what a .mil can ? sorry im just learning suppressors

 

[nn8734]

I really appreciate your input...I might be asking you more questions soon!

You’re welcome, reach out anytime...Also a .mil can, as referred to by NAS78, is simply a suppressor that has been selected for acquisition for use on one or more small arms platforms by the DOD.

 

[KaRwithaScar]

Maybe he’s referring to the diameter of the gas port itself but that’s just a guess.

yes, sorry I was referring to the gas port size. I was told by the seller these HRT barrels are Super reliable due to the dwell time and gas port size....can you help me understand what he meant? thanks

 

[KaRwithaScar]

You’re welcome, reach out anytime...Also a .mil can, as referred to by NAS78, is simply a suppressor that has been selected for acquisition for use on one or more small arms platforms by the DOD.

ok, thats what I figured he meant. If I decide to do a fbi clone on this AR pistol I wont be attempting to get the exact can the fbi used anyway. thanks

 

[TxWelder35]

If you want a rifle can that will take mag dumps all day every day get a dead air sandman

if you want a good quiet can, a little lighter, that is durable but you don’t plan on doing belt fed mag dumps, get a Dead Air Nomad

 

[KaRwithaScar]

If you want a rifle can that will take mag dumps all day every day get a dead air sandman

if you want a good quiet can, a little lighter, that is durable but you don’t plan on doing belt fed mag dumps, get a Dead Air Nomad

ok. A friend of mine likes his silencerCo....Is there any silencerCo models that are comparable to what you are recommending?

 

[TxWelder35]

ok. A friend of mine likes his silencerCo....Is there any silencerCo models that are comparable to what you are recommending?

The omega 300 is comparable to the nomad. Not that familiar with the rest of their suppressor line. I personally think the nomad sounds better

 

[KaRwithaScar]

The omega 300 is comparable to the nomad. Not that familiar with the rest of their suppressor line. I personally think the nomad sounds better

Another thing I want to be able to do is have the proper flash hider for whatever can I get so that I can quickly detach it, what do your dead air models attach to?

 

[TxWelder35]

Keymo, which is IMO better than the silencerco asr

Another thing I want to be able to do is have the proper flash hider for whatever can I get so that I can quickly detach it, what do your dead air models attach to?

 

[nn8734]

yes, sorry I was referring to the gas port size. I was told by the seller these HRT barrels are Super reliable due to the dwell time and gas port size....can you help me understand what he meant? thanks

They are claiming that the barrel was designed so the gun will reliably function with/without a suppressor, presumably without the need for any other modifications (heavy buffers, adjustable gas blocks, keys, etc), even if subjected to extended firing cycles (ie mag dumps).

dwell time - The time needed by the gas system to fully cycle the bcg to load the next round into the chamber or allow the bcg to travel far enough to lock back upon firing the last round.

gas port diameter- Establishes gross gas volume available to the system; likely a little bit smaller on that barrel than typically found on production/rack grade ARs

A quick google search revealed this article which you may find helpful for understanding the basics of AR function, relationship between gas port and gas system length, dwell time as well as considerations for sbrs and suppressors, etc.

AR-15 Reliability 101

An in-depth look at the factors affecting AR-15 reliability.

www.guntweaks.com

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

ok. A friend of mine likes his silencerCo....Is there any silencerCo models that are comparable to what you are recommending?

The omega 300 was my first "do all" can. Works great on bolt guns and longer low ratevof fire ARs. It does however have quite a bit of baffle errosion when used with my 10.3" AR and flash hider that i only tried with about 1000rds on. It is rated from 10.3c ar up to 300wm so it covers all your needs and has interchangeable front caps if desired BUT if 50% or more of its life will be on a short AR that sees use id look at something else. What idk because i went dedicated and haven't tested anything else.

 

[KaRwithaScar]

They are claiming that the barrel was designed so the gun will reliably function with/without a suppressor, presumably without the need for any other modifications (heavy buffers, adjustable gas blocks, keys, etc), even if subjected to extended firing cycles (ie mag dumps).

dwell time - The time needed by the gas system to fully cycle the bcg to load the next round into the chamber or allow the bcg to travel far enough to lock back upon firing the last round.

gas port diameter- Establishes gross gas volume available to the system; likely a little bit smaller on that barrel than typically found on production/rack grade ARs

A quick google search revealed this article which you may find helpful for understanding the basics of AR function, relationship between gas port and gas system length, dwell time as well as considerations for sbrs and suppressors, etc.

AR-15 Reliability 101

An in-depth look at the factors affecting AR-15 reliability.

www.guntweaks.com

Thanks. Thats a pretty helpful article....I ended up finding and reading that earlier today.