Knowing absolutely nothing about them I have a question. My search came up with nothing.
Is it possible to make a non-mechanical suppressor?
Is it possible to make a non-mechanical suppressor?
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Like what? are you talking about active noise control? please explain what your thoughts are
Like what? are you talking about active noise control? please explain what your thoughts are
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Been there, done that. Doesn't answer my question.
Are all suppressors a mechanical device or can one be made non-mechanical?
I've already read wiki.
Been there, done that. Doesn't answer my question.
Are all suppressors a mechanical device or can one be made non-mechanical?
I've already read wiki.
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State law says, "Any mechanical device specifically constructed and designed so that when attached to a firearm silences, muffles or suppresses the sound when fired. However, this subsection does not apply to a mechanical device possessed and used by a person solely for the purpose of shooting a deer pursuant to an approved city special deer population control plan if the person has a valid federal permit to possess and use the mechanical device."
These are prohibited.
Since "suppressors" like everyone normally thinks of, are mechanical device. Are there any that are non-mechanical?
I know it sounds like a play on words. There are a lot of definitions of "mechanical".
State law says, "Any mechanical device specifically constructed and designed so that when attached to a firearm silences, muffles or suppresses the sound when fired. However, this subsection does not apply to a mechanical device possessed and used by a person solely for the purpose of shooting a deer pursuant to an approved city special deer population control plan if the person has a valid federal permit to possess and use the mechanical device."
These are prohibited.
Since "suppressors" like everyone normally thinks of, are mechanical device. Are there any that are non-mechanical?
I know it sounds like a play on words. There are a lot of definitions of "mechanical".
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Sounds like you need to call up the AG of your state/city or BATFE and ask for clarification on the definition of "mechanism."
It looks as if you are trying to bi-pass the NFA law which doesn't seem to be a good idea.
FWIW I always thought of a mechanism being something with moving parts...
Sounds like you need to call up the AG of your state/city or BATFE and ask for clarification on the definition of "mechanism."
It looks as if you are trying to bi-pass the NFA law which doesn't seem to be a good idea.
FWIW I always thought of a mechanism being something with moving parts...
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Suppressors are only legal to own in IA by Class 3 dealers and Class 2 manufacturers.
Suppressors are only legal to own in IA by Class 3 dealers and Class 2 manufacturers.
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Do you mean, like if you screw a live chicken onto the end of you gun to use as a suppressor, is the chicken considered "mechanical". Not sure but I would bet anything you find that will thread or "mount" to a Firearm will be machanical. You are confusing me.
Do you mean, like if you screw a live chicken onto the end of you gun to use as a suppressor, is the chicken considered "mechanical". Not sure but I would bet anything you find that will thread or "mount" to a Firearm will be machanical. You are confusing me.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Creature</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you need to call up the AG of your state/city or BATFE and ask for clarification on the definition of "mechanism."
It looks as if you are trying to bi-pass the NFA law which doesn't seem to be a good idea.
FWIW I always thought of a mechanism being something with moving parts... </div></div>
Not trying to bypass <span style="text-decoration: underline">any</span> laws. Will follow & support them to the letter of the law.
Just trying to get clarification on what a mechanical device is. Thought someone on here might have some engineering knowledge on the subject.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Creature</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you need to call up the AG of your state/city or BATFE and ask for clarification on the definition of "mechanism."
It looks as if you are trying to bi-pass the NFA law which doesn't seem to be a good idea.
FWIW I always thought of a mechanism being something with moving parts... </div></div>
Not trying to bypass <span style="text-decoration: underline">any</span> laws. Will follow & support them to the letter of the law.
Just trying to get clarification on what a mechanical device is. Thought someone on here might have some engineering knowledge on the subject.
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I like the chicken comment.
I think its best to play it safe and not try to make a "non mechanical" supressor that could be mistaken for a mechanical one
I like my gun rights enough to stay 100% on the white side of the line.
Just a perspective.
I like the chicken comment.
I think its best to play it safe and not try to make a "non mechanical" supressor that could be mistaken for a mechanical one
I like my gun rights enough to stay 100% on the white side of the line.
Just a perspective.
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Might have to ask my daughter about it also as she is working to be an Audiologist. Sound is a mechanical wave according to wiki. The older I get the more I learn. Gotta love it.
Some deep stuff. Bad part is I'm a common sense type of guy. I don't have NCS syndrome. My terminology for "No Common Sense". Hurts my head but deeper I dig.....
Might have to ask my daughter about it also as she is working to be an Audiologist. Sound is a mechanical wave according to wiki. The older I get the more I learn. Gotta love it.
Some deep stuff. Bad part is I'm a common sense type of guy. I don't have NCS syndrome. My terminology for "No Common Sense". Hurts my head but deeper I dig.....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Been there, done that. Doesn't answer my question.
Are all suppressors a mechanical device or can one be made non-mechanical?
I've already read wiki. </div></div>
WTF are you talking about?!
Are you referring to the Nielsen Device?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Been there, done that. Doesn't answer my question.
Are all suppressors a mechanical device or can one be made non-mechanical?
I've already read wiki. </div></div>
WTF are you talking about?!
Are you referring to the Nielsen Device?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Bad part is I'm a common sense type of guy. I don't have NCS syndrome. My terminology for "No Common Sense". Hurts my head but deeper I dig..... </div></div>
Trying to apply common sense to some of our gun laws might only result in your head hurting MORE. My best advice is to abandon your search for a way to save $200.
What you are attempting to do is DEFINE a word that the ATF can choose to define differently. Heck, we're talking about a government agency that ruled a shoelace was a machine gun! They changed their minds on the Akins Accelerator device AFTER the manufacturer had a letter from Technology Branch stating the device was good to go!
For the record I am NOT bashing on the ATF here. I've had a good relationship with various NFA examiners and field agents for a long time and have no complaints; all have been great folks and very helpful. Problems arise when "gray areas" are questioned or something vague in the "rules" is questioned. The ATF has the ability to interpret those "gray areas" and has, on occasion, issued one opinion and then later changed their minds and issued a differing opinion.
Bottom line, the questions you are asking make it seem like you are trying to figure out a "loophole" in the rules that would allow manufacture of a suppressor without having to pay a $200 tax stamp. Why put yourself in a position to bring all the potential grief, frustration and legal drama?
I'm not trying to be a jerk about this to you so I hope you don't take it that way. If I am reading your intentions wrong, please correct me.
Take care.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Bad part is I'm a common sense type of guy. I don't have NCS syndrome. My terminology for "No Common Sense". Hurts my head but deeper I dig..... </div></div>
Trying to apply common sense to some of our gun laws might only result in your head hurting MORE. My best advice is to abandon your search for a way to save $200.
What you are attempting to do is DEFINE a word that the ATF can choose to define differently. Heck, we're talking about a government agency that ruled a shoelace was a machine gun! They changed their minds on the Akins Accelerator device AFTER the manufacturer had a letter from Technology Branch stating the device was good to go!
For the record I am NOT bashing on the ATF here. I've had a good relationship with various NFA examiners and field agents for a long time and have no complaints; all have been great folks and very helpful. Problems arise when "gray areas" are questioned or something vague in the "rules" is questioned. The ATF has the ability to interpret those "gray areas" and has, on occasion, issued one opinion and then later changed their minds and issued a differing opinion.
Bottom line, the questions you are asking make it seem like you are trying to figure out a "loophole" in the rules that would allow manufacture of a suppressor without having to pay a $200 tax stamp. Why put yourself in a position to bring all the potential grief, frustration and legal drama?
I'm not trying to be a jerk about this to you so I hope you don't take it that way. If I am reading your intentions wrong, please correct me.
Take care.
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Getting your information from Wikipedia is always a good idea.
"But your honor, Wikipedia said it was ok."
Getting your information from Wikipedia is always a good idea.
"But your honor, Wikipedia said it was ok."
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just trying to get clarification on what a mechanical device is. Thought someone on here might have some engineering knowledge on the subject.</div></div>
I am an engineer.
It makes not a damn bit of difference what an engineer thinks is and isn't a mechanical device. It only matters what the policeman who arrests you and the judge and jury who try and convict you think is and isn't a mechanical device. Saying "but it's not mechanical" isn't going to help you.
Don't try it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just trying to get clarification on what a mechanical device is. Thought someone on here might have some engineering knowledge on the subject.</div></div>
I am an engineer.
It makes not a damn bit of difference what an engineer thinks is and isn't a mechanical device. It only matters what the policeman who arrests you and the judge and jury who try and convict you think is and isn't a mechanical device. Saying "but it's not mechanical" isn't going to help you.
Don't try it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maladat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just trying to get clarification on what a mechanical device is. Thought someone on here might have some engineering knowledge on the subject.</div></div>
I am an engineer.
It makes not a damn bit of difference what an engineer thinks is and isn't a mechanical device. It only matters what the policeman who arrests you and the judge and jury who try and convict you think is and isn't a mechanical device. Saying "but it's not mechanical" isn't going to help you.
Don't try it. </div></div>
That's what Im thinking.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maladat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IAretat20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just trying to get clarification on what a mechanical device is. Thought someone on here might have some engineering knowledge on the subject.</div></div>
I am an engineer.
It makes not a damn bit of difference what an engineer thinks is and isn't a mechanical device. It only matters what the policeman who arrests you and the judge and jury who try and convict you think is and isn't a mechanical device. Saying "but it's not mechanical" isn't going to help you.
Don't try it. </div></div>
That's what Im thinking.
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First, if they consider a supressor as we know it, mechanical, than they will consider any device mechanical.
Second, pay the tax stamp, if you want the cool toys you have to pay. If you don't you will hurt yourself I think the penalty is 10 years in prison, and you hurt everyone else that loves this stuff. If you want to build something, there is a form and a tax stamp for that too.
Third, if the ATF can make a case against someone duct taping a water bottle to the end of a barrel, I'm will to bet they could make a case against anything else you decide to use.
First, if they consider a supressor as we know it, mechanical, than they will consider any device mechanical.
Second, pay the tax stamp, if you want the cool toys you have to pay. If you don't you will hurt yourself I think the penalty is 10 years in prison, and you hurt everyone else that loves this stuff. If you want to build something, there is a form and a tax stamp for that too.
Third, if the ATF can make a case against someone duct taping a water bottle to the end of a barrel, I'm will to bet they could make a case against anything else you decide to use.
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by "mechanical", they mean any device that "mechanically" reduces the sound signiture, as opposed to a device that generates tuned sound waves that cancel out the sound signiture, thereby being an acoustical device.
before you ask, no you're not going to be ble to build an acoustic device, too expensive
by "mechanical", they mean any device that "mechanically" reduces the sound signiture, as opposed to a device that generates tuned sound waves that cancel out the sound signiture, thereby being an acoustical device.
before you ask, no you're not going to be ble to build an acoustic device, too expensive
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-silencer.html
I think that pretty much spells it out. And pending legislation notwithstanding in certain states....the NFA is pretty much the big sheriff in town. Some dude just pleaded/pled guilty to creating a silencer without registering a few weeks ago....
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-silencer.html
I think that pretty much spells it out. And pending legislation notwithstanding in certain states....the NFA is pretty much the big sheriff in town. Some dude just pleaded/pled guilty to creating a silencer without registering a few weeks ago....
