i see a ton of T2s but not that many T4s, any reason for this? ive always thought id want a butt hook on my new stock, but seeing that there arent as many T4s around here made me wonder. arent they the exact same stock but the T4 has the butt hook? thanks
T2 vs T4
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Re: T2 vs T4
I see T4's all the time, perhaps you've just been unlucky.
The T4 is a great stock, I currently own 3 of them; a T4, a T4-A inlet for M2008, and a T4 inlet for Sako Quad.
One thing I personally would recommend is plan on either getting the T4-A or installing a karsten cheek rest. The comb is just way too low for use with a scope otherwise, IMHO.
I see T4's all the time, perhaps you've just been unlucky.
The T4 is a great stock, I currently own 3 of them; a T4, a T4-A inlet for M2008, and a T4 inlet for Sako Quad.
One thing I personally would recommend is plan on either getting the T4-A or installing a karsten cheek rest. The comb is just way too low for use with a scope otherwise, IMHO.
Re: T2 vs T4
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see T4's all the time, perhaps you've just been unlucky.
The T4 is a great stock, I currently own 3 of them; a T4, a T4-A inlet for M2008, and a T4 inlet for Sako Quad.
One thing I personally would recommend is plan on either getting the T4-A or installing a karsten cheek rest. The comb is just way too low for use with a scope otherwise, IMHO.
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T4A, height problem fixed. The T4 is a GREAT stock. I had the T4A and thought it was the best thing on the planet. Manners make some rock solid stocks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see T4's all the time, perhaps you've just been unlucky.
The T4 is a great stock, I currently own 3 of them; a T4, a T4-A inlet for M2008, and a T4 inlet for Sako Quad.
One thing I personally would recommend is plan on either getting the T4-A or installing a karsten cheek rest. The comb is just way too low for use with a scope otherwise, IMHO.
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T4A, height problem fixed. The T4 is a GREAT stock. I had the T4A and thought it was the best thing on the planet. Manners make some rock solid stocks.
Re: T2 vs T4
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Odd, as I think I see more T4s then I see T2s. </div></div>
Just what I was thinking.
Tom is making me a T2 to replace my T4.
I LOVE my T4 with one exception. 95% of my shooting is in the field, prone from bipod with a sock. I missed the ability to slide a sock fore/aft under the angled butt to give elevation. With the T4's flat stock, I felt like it was affecting my accuracy due to inconsistent cheek weld pressure against a squeezed sock, semi-squeezed sock or a crushed sock.
Might be my imagination and I really hope after getting the T2 I'm not sorry, but Tom felt that in this case the T2 would probably work better for me.
Something to consider...
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Odd, as I think I see more T4s then I see T2s. </div></div>
Just what I was thinking.
Tom is making me a T2 to replace my T4.
I LOVE my T4 with one exception. 95% of my shooting is in the field, prone from bipod with a sock. I missed the ability to slide a sock fore/aft under the angled butt to give elevation. With the T4's flat stock, I felt like it was affecting my accuracy due to inconsistent cheek weld pressure against a squeezed sock, semi-squeezed sock or a crushed sock.
Might be my imagination and I really hope after getting the T2 I'm not sorry, but Tom felt that in this case the T2 would probably work better for me.
Something to consider...
John
Re: T2 vs T4
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Odd, as I think I see more T4s then I see T2s. </div></div>
Just what I was thinking.
Tom is making me a T2 to replace my T4.
I LOVE my T4 with one exception. 95% of my shooting is in the field, prone from bipod with a sock. I missed the ability to slide a sock fore/aft under the angled butt to give elevation. With the T4's flat stock, I felt like it was affecting my accuracy due to inconsistent cheek weld pressure against a squeezed sock, semi-squeezed sock or a crushed sock.
Might be my imagination and I really hope after getting the T2 I'm not sorry, but Tom felt that in this case the T2 would probably work better for me.
Something to consider...
John </div></div>
This demostrates how everyone is a bit different. Facial structures are different as well, not good or bad. I have a T4A and will have a T5A and MCS-TA very soon. I've handled the T2A. I'm one of those folks, like Ratbert described, that needs the adj cheekpiece because I lift that thing way up to grind and rest the cheekpiece right under my cheekbone - absolutely locked in the exact same place. The height of my cheekpiece has nothing to do with ring height as my 50mm ocular just barely clears my barrel. A buddy of mine can't use my rifle with these settings at all.
When it comes to the base of the butt of the stock, unlike jrob, I find it difficult to consistently drive the angled lower butt in the bags than the straight bottom of the T4.
Other than the bottom of the butt design on the T2, the T2's grip is a little bit shorter as well, and IIRC it can be made a little bit lighter than a T4 with the same accessories/options.
To the OP: These reasons are why so many folks recommend getting behind the stocks before purchase if you can. Make a post here for folks in your area to try before you decide. You'd be surprised at how many replies you may get within a couple hours drive, or closer to you. I did this and was able to test drive a DTA SRS locally. I had replies from the good folks here in less than 1 day with offers to let me try out their rifle. With your location of Central Texas you should be able to drive in any direction and get behind one or both of these stocks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Odd, as I think I see more T4s then I see T2s. </div></div>
Just what I was thinking.
Tom is making me a T2 to replace my T4.
I LOVE my T4 with one exception. 95% of my shooting is in the field, prone from bipod with a sock. I missed the ability to slide a sock fore/aft under the angled butt to give elevation. With the T4's flat stock, I felt like it was affecting my accuracy due to inconsistent cheek weld pressure against a squeezed sock, semi-squeezed sock or a crushed sock.
Might be my imagination and I really hope after getting the T2 I'm not sorry, but Tom felt that in this case the T2 would probably work better for me.
Something to consider...
John </div></div>
This demostrates how everyone is a bit different. Facial structures are different as well, not good or bad. I have a T4A and will have a T5A and MCS-TA very soon. I've handled the T2A. I'm one of those folks, like Ratbert described, that needs the adj cheekpiece because I lift that thing way up to grind and rest the cheekpiece right under my cheekbone - absolutely locked in the exact same place. The height of my cheekpiece has nothing to do with ring height as my 50mm ocular just barely clears my barrel. A buddy of mine can't use my rifle with these settings at all.
When it comes to the base of the butt of the stock, unlike jrob, I find it difficult to consistently drive the angled lower butt in the bags than the straight bottom of the T4.
Other than the bottom of the butt design on the T2, the T2's grip is a little bit shorter as well, and IIRC it can be made a little bit lighter than a T4 with the same accessories/options.
To the OP: These reasons are why so many folks recommend getting behind the stocks before purchase if you can. Make a post here for folks in your area to try before you decide. You'd be surprised at how many replies you may get within a couple hours drive, or closer to you. I did this and was able to test drive a DTA SRS locally. I had replies from the good folks here in less than 1 day with offers to let me try out their rifle. With your location of Central Texas you should be able to drive in any direction and get behind one or both of these stocks.
Re: T2 vs T4
maverick- thats a good idea, thankyou,
i have noticed that most t2/t4s i see have a cheek piece on them or a stock pack. does a stock pack give the same height as a cheek piece? i cant pay for an adjustable stock so id have to go with one of these two routes...
does anyone know which one would be more suited to hunting? i use this rifle for hunting more than anything but i still want a tacticool stock.
maverick- thats a good idea, thankyou,
i have noticed that most t2/t4s i see have a cheek piece on them or a stock pack. does a stock pack give the same height as a cheek piece? i cant pay for an adjustable stock so id have to go with one of these two routes...
does anyone know which one would be more suited to hunting? i use this rifle for hunting more than anything but i still want a tacticool stock.
Re: T2 vs T4
I run a stock pack with a stack of mouse pad strips under it for a cheekpiece. Cheaper, lighter AND more comfortable under 300WM recoil.
I would think the T2 would have the slightest edge because of weight. I hunted with my T4 last year. It was not a liability.
John
I run a stock pack with a stack of mouse pad strips under it for a cheekpiece. Cheaper, lighter AND more comfortable under 300WM recoil.
I would think the T2 would have the slightest edge because of weight. I hunted with my T4 last year. It was not a liability.
John
Re: T2 vs T4
i know im digging up my old thread, but does anyone use a T2 or a T4 for hunting? i dont want to get weird looks at deer camp when i pull out a rifle that looks like it should be in iraq rather than a south tx deer blind...
i saw marcus luttrell hunting on bucks of tecomate with a badass precision rifle once. then again, thats marcus luttrell and he can do whatever the fuck he wants
i know im digging up my old thread, but does anyone use a T2 or a T4 for hunting? i dont want to get weird looks at deer camp when i pull out a rifle that looks like it should be in iraq rather than a south tx deer blind...
i saw marcus luttrell hunting on bucks of tecomate with a badass precision rifle once. then again, thats marcus luttrell and he can do whatever the fuck he wants
Re: T2 vs T4
All of my hunting rifles have T2's on them. You get some weird looks at times, but they usually go away once they play with the rifle a little.
All of my hunting rifles have T2's on them. You get some weird looks at times, but they usually go away once they play with the rifle a little.
Re: T2 vs T4
I to prefer the T2, I like the smaller fore end and the "ramped rear stock. A butt hook is neither here nor there for me.
I to prefer the T2, I like the smaller fore end and the "ramped rear stock. A butt hook is neither here nor there for me.
Re: T2 vs T4
i didnt know the T2s had smaller fore ends.
like the look of these bobby hart LRT laminated stocks that stockys sells
*NEW!* Bobby Hart Long Range Target / Ta...rel Riflestocks
just dont know how it would compare to a T2 in the long run. not sure which would be a better buy. anyone have one of these stocks that could chime in? $175 cheaper and available now instead of 3 months from now.
i didnt know the T2s had smaller fore ends.
like the look of these bobby hart LRT laminated stocks that stockys sells
*NEW!* Bobby Hart Long Range Target / Ta...rel Riflestocks
just dont know how it would compare to a T2 in the long run. not sure which would be a better buy. anyone have one of these stocks that could chime in? $175 cheaper and available now instead of 3 months from now.
Re: T2 vs T4
The T2's really don't have a smaller forend, they are just shaped differently. Almost exactly the same width. The grip however is very different. The T2 is more comfortable to me than the very verticle T4....and I don't use the butt hook.
The T2's really don't have a smaller forend, they are just shaped differently. Almost exactly the same width. The grip however is very different. The T2 is more comfortable to me than the very verticle T4....and I don't use the butt hook.
Re: T2 vs T4
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i didnt know the T2s had smaller fore ends.
like the look of these bobby hart LRT laminated stocks that stockys sells
*NEW!* Bobby Hart Long Range Target / Ta...rel Riflestocks
just dont know how it would compare to a T2 in the long run. not sure which would be a better buy. anyone have one of these stocks that could chime in? $175 cheaper and available now instead of 3 months from now. </div></div>
They sure do look cool especially for a laminate stock, but I'm not sure if the small amount saved is worth it. I have never seen these stocks so I'm not going to bash on them at all, but it will need to be pillar bedded and not sure how laminate stocks are about this, but I'd also want to be sure there's not much flex in the fore end that will create the stock to make contact with the barrel. I'd give them a call and pick their brain a little bit and see what they say.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i didnt know the T2s had smaller fore ends.
like the look of these bobby hart LRT laminated stocks that stockys sells
*NEW!* Bobby Hart Long Range Target / Ta...rel Riflestocks
just dont know how it would compare to a T2 in the long run. not sure which would be a better buy. anyone have one of these stocks that could chime in? $175 cheaper and available now instead of 3 months from now. </div></div>
They sure do look cool especially for a laminate stock, but I'm not sure if the small amount saved is worth it. I have never seen these stocks so I'm not going to bash on them at all, but it will need to be pillar bedded and not sure how laminate stocks are about this, but I'd also want to be sure there's not much flex in the fore end that will create the stock to make contact with the barrel. I'd give them a call and pick their brain a little bit and see what they say.
Re: T2 vs T4
i went the non adjustable t4 for several reasons.
an adjustable cheekpiece is for me anyway, something which may fail. not that it is likely to happen ever, but its somthing to think about at least.
i had to have major surgery on my right cheek after having a glass smashed in it at work at the start of the year, and now have no feeling in most of it.. however, too much pressure on it really really hurts, problem is i cant tell when im putting too much pressure on it, as i cant feel it. so i need padding as opposed to hard surface....kind of hard to describe. so i use a stock pack.
my cheek does make it kind of hard to maintain consistant cheek weld, especially when halfway through putting pressure on the trigger, i get a massive jolt of pain to my face because im pushing too hard, lol, but i manage.
as to the butthook, get a notched leg harris bipod, problem solved, can adjust to any height you need in large increments, then you just take up the difference with the sandsock. it is working perfect for me, and i also find the ability to hold in the stock to my shoulder with my off hand is greatly improving how i drive the rifle under recoil. can now spot my own hits at 300, for instance.
plus 1 for the non adjust t4. cheaper, lighter, (more reliable?), K.I.S.S!!!!!!!
also as stated, put some mouse pad or misc other filler under your stock pack if you need the extra height... its pretty hard to shift once its in there and sand and mud wont stop it adjusting like id imagine a thumbwheel or screw system may....
either way you go, i think you will love your manners, they are a fantastic product right up there with the best in the world.
jimi
i went the non adjustable t4 for several reasons.
an adjustable cheekpiece is for me anyway, something which may fail. not that it is likely to happen ever, but its somthing to think about at least.
i had to have major surgery on my right cheek after having a glass smashed in it at work at the start of the year, and now have no feeling in most of it.. however, too much pressure on it really really hurts, problem is i cant tell when im putting too much pressure on it, as i cant feel it. so i need padding as opposed to hard surface....kind of hard to describe. so i use a stock pack.
my cheek does make it kind of hard to maintain consistant cheek weld, especially when halfway through putting pressure on the trigger, i get a massive jolt of pain to my face because im pushing too hard, lol, but i manage.
as to the butthook, get a notched leg harris bipod, problem solved, can adjust to any height you need in large increments, then you just take up the difference with the sandsock. it is working perfect for me, and i also find the ability to hold in the stock to my shoulder with my off hand is greatly improving how i drive the rifle under recoil. can now spot my own hits at 300, for instance.
plus 1 for the non adjust t4. cheaper, lighter, (more reliable?), K.I.S.S!!!!!!!
also as stated, put some mouse pad or misc other filler under your stock pack if you need the extra height... its pretty hard to shift once its in there and sand and mud wont stop it adjusting like id imagine a thumbwheel or screw system may....
either way you go, i think you will love your manners, they are a fantastic product right up there with the best in the world.
jimi
Re: T2 vs T4
The T4A is a nice stock. Very solid as are all the Manners that I have used. I would not get the T4 as others have noted because you need that ability to elevate your line of sight, especially if you are using a scope with a large objective that has to sit in higher rings.
The T4A is a nice stock. Very solid as are all the Manners that I have used. I would not get the T4 as others have noted because you need that ability to elevate your line of sight, especially if you are using a scope with a large objective that has to sit in higher rings.
Re: T2 vs T4
i read a thread on here from this summer where the general consensus was that butt hooks were not as "field friendly", you cant use a bag with them and then tend to get hooked on stuff. i think i will stick with a t2 over a t4.
on that same thread, a guy mentioned that he went with a t3 over a t2. he was going to be using his gun mostly for hunting, and he said shooting in random positions with the pistol style grip was very uncomfortable to him. he said the pistol style grip was, in his opinion, best for shooting from prone or bench.
what do yall think about that? im just concerned about spending $500 on a stock, getting it in and not liking it. im in college, this is a lot to spend on anything for me...
i read a thread on here from this summer where the general consensus was that butt hooks were not as "field friendly", you cant use a bag with them and then tend to get hooked on stuff. i think i will stick with a t2 over a t4.
on that same thread, a guy mentioned that he went with a t3 over a t2. he was going to be using his gun mostly for hunting, and he said shooting in random positions with the pistol style grip was very uncomfortable to him. he said the pistol style grip was, in his opinion, best for shooting from prone or bench.
what do yall think about that? im just concerned about spending $500 on a stock, getting it in and not liking it. im in college, this is a lot to spend on anything for me...
Re: T2 vs T4
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i read a thread on here from this summer where the general consensus was that butt hooks were not as "field friendly", you cant use a bag with them and then tend to get hooked on stuff. i think i will stick with a t2 over a t4.
on that same thread, a guy mentioned that he went with a t3 over a t2. he was going to be using his gun mostly for hunting, and he said shooting in random positions with the pistol style grip was very uncomfortable to him. he said the pistol style grip was, in his opinion, best for shooting from prone or bench.
what do yall think about that? im just concerned about spending $500 on a stock, getting it in and not liking it. im in college, this is a lot to spend on anything for me... </div></div>
The T4A is my favorite stock by far. But im a buut hook guy. I will be going with a T5A for my next build to change things up a bit... Anyway, try to find shooters locak to your area who have a T4 or T2. Hands on experience is the best way to decide. If that isnt possible try to find stocks with simular design to gaug how much you value certain features (butt hook, adj cheek) In my opinion, get the adj cheek, its makes the stock much more comfortable. The good news is that manners have a crazy high resale value, so rest easy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i read a thread on here from this summer where the general consensus was that butt hooks were not as "field friendly", you cant use a bag with them and then tend to get hooked on stuff. i think i will stick with a t2 over a t4.
on that same thread, a guy mentioned that he went with a t3 over a t2. he was going to be using his gun mostly for hunting, and he said shooting in random positions with the pistol style grip was very uncomfortable to him. he said the pistol style grip was, in his opinion, best for shooting from prone or bench.
what do yall think about that? im just concerned about spending $500 on a stock, getting it in and not liking it. im in college, this is a lot to spend on anything for me... </div></div>
The T4A is my favorite stock by far. But im a buut hook guy. I will be going with a T5A for my next build to change things up a bit... Anyway, try to find shooters locak to your area who have a T4 or T2. Hands on experience is the best way to decide. If that isnt possible try to find stocks with simular design to gaug how much you value certain features (butt hook, adj cheek) In my opinion, get the adj cheek, its makes the stock much more comfortable. The good news is that manners have a crazy high resale value, so rest easy.
