Tangent theta or ZCO

[lh leggtowner]

I own both, although have only had the TT a few weeks. They are both fantastic and I plan to shoot matches with the TT this year to see if the ZCO becomes a TT or the TT becomes a ZCO.

So far, I kind of like the ZCO more. It has much more elevation adjustment and can focus down to 25m, so its a much better option for rimfire games. The Gen3XR is a nice reticle but its a bit on the thinners side. The MPCT3X is about perfect and the dots really do help you make faster adjustment on the clock. The turrets on the TT are hard to beat and rezeroing does not get any easier. Glass wise its kind of a wash, the TT does look cooler and more natural where the ZCO seems a bit brighter and maybe more pop. I haven't shot the TT in mirage yet but I assume it will equal or exceed the ZCO. Both have locking diopters which is nice. ZCO gives range estimates on parallax while the TT doesn't if that matters.

I got a really good deal on my TT and it was cheaper than a new ZCO. I would NOT pay $5K for one based on what I have seen so far.

You really can't go wrong with either unless you need the features for shooting rimfire, then the ZCO is an easy choice. I think it comes down to reticle, turrets and if you need more elevation.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one, it would probably be ZCO. I think its a peer at a much lower price. Each one has some things it does
better/different than the other but the reality is, you are choosing between a Lambo and a Ferrari. Neither choice will disappoint you.

Thanks for a great over view

 

[M4guru]

And tangent only has T3

Tangent Theta Model TT525P Professional Marksman 5-25x56mm Illuminated 34mm 28mrad .1 mrad adj. H59 Reticle Riflescope 800100-0007

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[Secant]

Tangent Theta Model TT525P Professional Marksman 5-25x56mm Illuminated 34mm 28mrad .1 mrad adj. H59 Reticle Riflescope 800100-0007

FREE SHIPPING on Tangent Theta Model TT525P Professional Marksman 5-25x56mm Illuminated 34mm Mrad Adjust H59 Reticle Riflescope 800100-0007

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I was wrong on all accounts, haha.

 

[kujuak]

Does the age of the two companies have any weight in this debate? I realize they are both relative newbies compared to S&B, Kahles, etc.

 

[Huskydriver]

Does the age of the two companies have any weight in this debate? I realize they are both relative newbies compared to S&B, Kahles, etc.

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Zco is cash money and ain't going anywhere

 

[CSTactical]

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Zco is cash money and ain't going anywhere

 

[kujuak]

Just wondering where I can verify the guaranteed corporate longevity of ZCO? I have no animosity regarding the brand. I am retired, have 1 TT and 2 Kahles scopes and am unlikely to buy another big $ scope, though I might sell one of my Kahles K624I scopes to replace with another wonder scope at some point in the future.I don't sell scopes.I compete only against my area group of shooters.In old IPSC terms I shoot stock gear and not into "race guns". My question is philosophical, not meant to be argumentative. Since getting interested in this area of shooting I have watched a parade of the "best thing since sliced bread optics" be praised on this forum. Brand X new scope is the best, then awhile later problems are brought up , then you couldn't pay me to use that scope you better get the new Brand Y if you want to have the best gear. Then 6 months later, the next new thing comes on the scene, Brand Z and you couldn't give me one of those crappy Brand Y scopes, and I'd be ashamed to admit I ever spent good money on a Brand X.

.Looking forward to seeing those cash money details.

 

[Huskydriver]

Just wondering where I can verify the guaranteed corporate longevity of ZCO? I have no animosity regarding the brand. I am retired, have 1 TT and 2 Kahles scopes and am unlikely to buy another big $ scope, though I might sell one of my Kahles K624I scopes to replace with another wonder scope at some point in the future.I don't sell scopes.I compete only against my area group of shooters.In old IPSC terms I shoot stock gear and not into "race guns". My question is philosophical, not meant to be argumentative. Since getting interested in this area of shooting I have watched a parade of the "best thing since sliced bread optics" be praised on this forum. Brand X new scope is the best, then awhile later problems are brought up , then you couldn't pay me to use that scope you better get the new Brand Y if you want to have the best gear. Then 6 months later, the next new thing comes on the scene, Brand Z and you couldn't give me one of those crappy Brand Y scopes, and I'd be ashamed to admit I ever spent good money on a Brand X.

.Looking forward to seeing those cash money details.

What do you expect them to do hand over their balance sheet lol?

Seriously.... Have you checked the px? Used ones don't last long...

 

[Krob95]

And they don't sell very often, unless I want to swap reticles

 

[hafejd30]

Just wondering where I can verify the guaranteed corporate longevity of ZCO? I have no animosity regarding the brand. I am retired, have 1 TT and 2 Kahles scopes and am unlikely to buy another big $ scope, though I might sell one of my Kahles K624I scopes to replace with another wonder scope at some point in the future.I don't sell scopes.I compete only against my area group of shooters.In old IPSC terms I shoot stock gear and not into "race guns". My question is philosophical, not meant to be argumentative. Since getting interested in this area of shooting I have watched a parade of the "best thing since sliced bread optics" be praised on this forum. Brand X new scope is the best, then awhile later problems are brought up , then you couldn't pay me to use that scope you better get the new Brand Y if you want to have the best gear. Then 6 months later, the next new thing comes on the scene, Brand Z and you couldn't give me one of those crappy Brand Y scopes, and I'd be ashamed to admit I ever spent good money on a Brand X.

.Looking forward to seeing those cash money details.

Here’s some info on ZCO and how it became. Not saying it’s going to be here forever but it’s guys who know good optics and a combination of great and wanted features

Zero Compromise Optics’ ZC420 MPCT1 Scope Review

BigJimFish reviews the ZC420 rifle scope with the MPCT1 reticle from Zero Compromise Optics, the new high-end scope company co-owned by Jeff Huber of Nightforce and Kahles fame.

www.snipershide.com

 

[CSTactical]

What do you expect them to do hand over their balance sheet lol?

Seriously.... Have you checked the px? Used ones don't last long...

As a dealer of premium optics and one of the larger ZCO dealers I can confirm that they will be around a long time producing some of the finest optics on the planet.

 

[Jerzey1]

Why waste time with this when Counter Sniper is way ahead of the game,

You want T3 and T5? With CS you just put them in the same scope!!
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Haha, I laugh pretty hard when I'm watching a movie with a sniper and you see the reticles they show........9/10 I'm like "where did they get that rediculous reticle from......?" Must be NC Star or some crap like that. Also, I love when the sniper is looking through the glass and I notice the scope caps are on

 

[Chickentoast]

Haha, I laugh pretty hard when I'm watching a movie with a sniper and you see the reticles they show........9/10 I'm like "where did they get that rediculous reticle from......?" Must be NC Star or some crap like that. Also, I love when the sniper is looking through the glass and I notice the scope caps are on

Or when they're banging the hottest chick in the coolest position, until you realize it only works if your dick is greater than 17 inches

 

[Jerzey1]

Or when they're banging the hottest chick in the coolest position, until you realize it only works if your dick is greater than 17 inches

well, uhemmm.....it IS 17"

 

[hafejd30]

Haha, I laugh pretty hard when I'm watching a movie with a sniper and you see the reticles they show........9/10 I'm like "where did they get that rediculous reticle from......?" Must be NC Star or some crap like that. Also, I love when the sniper is looking through the glass and I notice the scope caps are on

Or on “Shooter” where wahlberg can read a Dinty Moore soup can at a mile and the swirl enters the scope from the bottom before striking the can

 

[Jerzey1]

Or on “Shooter” where wahlberg can read a Dinty Moore soup can at a mile and the swirl enters the scope from the bottom before striking the can

Yeah, I seriously wonder sometimes how Hollywood is so "off" when it comes to gun, scopes, reticles and shooting. How friggin hard can it be to hire a gun enthusiast to remind them use a decent scope, normal (useable) reticle and take the friggin scope caps off????

 

[hafejd30]

Yeah, I seriously wonder sometimes how Hollywood is so "off" when it comes to gun, scopes, reticles and shooting. How friggin hard can it be to hire a gun enthusiast to remind them use a decent scope, normal (useable) reticle and take the friggin scope caps off????

They do hire people they think know something about guns. Then along comes Alec Baldwin to prove them wrong

 

[CCraneT]

I have two TT Gen3xr’s and they aren’t going anywhere. I can not compare because I haven’t ever had a chance to fondle a ZCO, but damn sure want to play with the new one. But the TT turrets are unlike anything I’ve ever felt and the parallax is unreal. Glass is also better than anything else I have ever seen. But everything I have seen and read on ZCO it doesn’t seem like you could go wrong with either one of them.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Probally best you dont mess with a ZCO then. The more I use my TT the more I like my ZCO. Turrets are awesome but that doesnt help me shoot better, better eye box and reticle does.

 

[Rebels010]

Or when they're banging the hottest chick in the coolest position, until you realize it only works if your dick is greater than 17 inches

 

[CCraneT]

Probally best you dont mess with a ZCO then. The more I use my TT the more I like my ZCO. Turrets are awesome but that doesnt help me shoot better, better eye box and reticle does.

Probally best you dont mess with a ZCO then. The more I use my TT the more I like my ZCO. Turrets are awesome but that doesnt help me shoot better, better eye box and reticle does.

Don’t tell me that

 

[Islas82]

I own a ZCO 527 MPTC2 and its the best optic I have ever owned. Am currently thinking about pulling the trigger on a TT Gen3xr not necessarily because its better than ZCO, from all I have heard and read (including this thread) opinions don't seem to vary much, they're the best scopes in the market as of today. Being a self admitted turret whore I just want to test this whole "best turrets ever" thing that's said about TT. I been looking at the Gen3 XR reticle on paper and I like what I see but have not been able to use one. Is my hard on for turrets worth the extra 1k? I guess theres just one way to find out.

 

[BLKWLFK9]

I own a ZCO 527 MPTC2 and its the best optic I have ever owned. Am currently thinking about pulling the trigger on a TT Gen3xr not necessarily because its better than ZCO, from all I have heard and read (including this thread) opinions don't seem to vary much, they're the best scopes in the market as of today. Being a self admitted turret whore I just want to test this whole "best turrets ever" thing that's said about TT. I been looking at the Gen3 XR reticle on paper and I like what I see but have not been able to use one. Is my hard on for turrets worth the extra 1k? I guess theres just one way to find out.

Buy one used and sell it if you feel it isn't worth the extra cost. You'll recoup your money.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I own a ZCO 527 MPTC2 and its the best optic I have ever owned. Am currently thinking about pulling the trigger on a TT Gen3xr not necessarily because its better than ZCO, from all I have heard and read (including this thread) opinions don't seem to vary much, they're the best scopes in the market as of today. Being a self admitted turret whore I just want to test this whole "best turrets ever" thing that's said about TT. I been looking at the Gen3 XR reticle on paper and I like what I see but have not been able to use one. Is my hard on for turrets worth the extra 1k? I guess theres just one way to find out.

Try before you buy. I have had a ZCO for about a year and just bought a tangent to see what I like better. Had the Tangent for a few weeks, practiced and shot one PRS match with it, then sold it for another ZCO.

Other than the tooless turrets, the ZCO is better than the TT in everyway IMO, even glass. Way more elevation, Better reticle, thicker reticle, better eyebox, Better color pop, mag ring is smoother, Paralax is marked on the ZCO, not on the TT. Oh and its over $1000 cheaper. I found the reticle to be too thin on the TT and the eyebox was less forgiving in positional shooting.

 

[Krob95]

I own a ZCO 527 MPTC2 and its the best optic I have ever owned. Am currently thinking about pulling the trigger on a TT Gen3xr not necessarily because its better than ZCO, from all I have heard and read (including this thread) opinions don't seem to vary much, they're the best scopes in the market as of today. Being a self admitted turret whore I just want to test this whole "best turrets ever" thing that's said about TT. I been looking at the Gen3 XR reticle on paper and I like what I see but have not been able to use one. Is my hard on for turrets worth the extra 1k? I guess theres just one way to find out.

If you were closer to Colorado I'd say I'd let you check out mine man. I shot my first match with my TT yesterday through some nasty mirage and did some hold overs on a couple stages with the 3xr. Did a great job resolving targets at distance (1180yds). And the reticle worked nicely for the holds for elevation and wind.

Like @BLKWLFK9 said. Buy one used, and if you don't like it, you'll make your money back no problem. My main driving force behind switching was for the ease of rezero running a RMR as I swap barrels often on my AI. I just note the offsets and then reference them when needed.

I had no issues getting behind the scope on positional shooting yesterday or today. Was quite natural imo. I feel they're very comparable in that aspect

 

[CSTactical]

05/17/22: We have one available Tangent Theta 5-25x56mm TT525P Gen 3 XR Fine shipping in for those looking for one!

Tangent Theta 5-25x56mm Professional - TT525P

Tangent Theta 5-25x56mm model TT525P Rifle Telescope is an extreme-range precision sighting instrument for professional marksmen.

cstactical.com

and a few ZCO's in both black or FDE as well

Optics - Zero Compromise Optic scopes in stock at cstactical.com

04/18/24: What's in stock and on the way below and if it's not in stock than PM, call or email to get an ETA Also contact us to build you a complete ZCO package with accessories. https://www.cstactical.com/Zero-Compromise-Optic Zero Compromise Optic ZC420 4-20x50 MPCT3 15MIL $3,800.00 in...

www.snipershide.com

 

[deersniper]

Well ZCO doesn't have h59 or tremor3 reticle. So looks like you want TT.

They do now

 

[deersniper]

still waiting on that ZCO hunter model and reticle hint hint ) You can’t go wrong

You talking about the 2-14 they are releasing ?

 

[deersniper]

ZCO right here in the USA,

 

[HenryTheAce]

You talking about the 2-14 they are releasing ?

That’s the one , or the ZC420 anorexic … that bitch needs to go on a diet!! Waiting for them or someone to dethrone the couple TT315’s I own.

 

[CSTactical]

TT assembled in Canada, ZCO right here in the USA, both offer outstanding CS but Jeff and Nick are really cream of the crop and will bend over backwards to answer questions and help if anything ever does go wrong.

The whole quote @deersniper

 

[Glassaholic]

The whole quote @deersniper

Thanks Richard, the key word here being "Assembled"

 

[Feniks Technologies]

Own both. Like both. Suggest if possible you buy both.

Dollar for dollar/pound for pound, IMO, ZCO wins.

 

[CSTactical]

Own both. Like both. Suggest if possible you buy both.

Dollar for dollar/pound for pound, IMO, ZCO wins.

So the answer is buy both...

 

[DocRDS]

What about ZERO COMPROMISE is confusing to you people. Its like right in the name! lol

In reality the local youth around here are about split 50/50 (TT/ZCO). I loved the MPCT3 ret so i followed the instructions in the brand name.

 

[Moose]

I own TT and ZC and if you got the cash get both.They are both outstanding optics.

 

[Secant]

So the answer is buy both...

I'm now feeling pressured to get a TT525P.......

 

[CSTactical]

I'm now feeling pressured to get a TT525P.......
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We have a TT525P Gen 3 XR Fine in stock if you're interested

 

[Secant]

We have a TT525P Gen 3 XR Fine in stock if you're interested

 

[CSTactical]

 

[TheOE800]

In my opinion you can spend another 1000 bucks for the TT and not gain a thing.

That’s certainly an opinion.

 

[BLKWLFK9]

That’s certainly an opinion.

For one, u can gain the best turrets on the planet, if nothing else.

 

[deersniper]

 

[winxp_man]

You’re all fools….

Pay less, get more. #Barska #JustAsGood

Why limit yourself to “just a scope?”

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I will take it! PM sent!