Suppressors TBAC .223 can vs TBAC .22 can

[mdmp5]

I have a ruger 22/45, which I shoot exclusively with a thunderbeast 22L-1. For those of you that have shot this can, you know how quiet it is. I also have a thunderbeast 223P-1 that I had not used yet. I thought it would be interesting to see how the 2 cans stacked up against one another on the ruger.

The competition wasn't even close. I only fired the pistol once with each can. The 22L-1 rocked the 223P-1 like nobody's business. In fact, to my surprise, the sound suppression of the 223 P-1 was so miserable on the 22. So, here we have a can with the same diameter aperture that is heavier, longer and more voluminous, that is noticeably inferior to a much smaller can. I cannot offer an explanation to the findings, and I was hoping that someone else could, because I am very curious.

 

[762frmafr]

Re: .223 can vs .22 can

The baffles on the 22 suppressor are designed for a subsonic round. Not so on the 223 suppressor. Your findings are a very common occurrance. Especially with a well designed 223 suppressor.

 

[mdmp5]

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Wow, wasn't aware of that. Kind of counterintuitive though, don't you think? Thanks for the info.

 

[762frmafr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: palmik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, wasn't aware of that. Kind of counterintuitive though, don't you think? Thanks for the info. </div></div>.

Just proves that it's not always about volume.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: .223 can vs .22 can

It will differs by model, and won't be terribly scientifically linked as far as performance in one caliber versus performance in another.

 

[TBass]

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So if I were to want to put a can on a .17HMR, would there be much benefit of having one made with the typical size and volume of a .30cal can but w/ the internal baffles of a rimfire can. Or would a standard rimfire can work just as well a higher volume can?

 

[762frmafr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TBass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if I were to want to put a can on a .17HMR, would there be much benefit of having one made with the typical size and volume of a .30cal can but w/ the internal baffles of a rimfire can. Or would a standard rimfire can work just as well a higher volume can? </div></div>

IMO for a 17HMR, regular 22lr VOLUME would work, but supersonic BAFFLES. AWC Stalker comes to mind.

 

[mdmp5]

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762, you mentioned twice about baffles being mach specific. Can you explain the difference between a supersonic baffle design vs a subsonic design?

 

[762frmafr]

Re: .223 can vs .22 can

This answer comes with a disclaimer, I am not a suppressor designer nor have I ever put any of these observations in to practical use. That being said, here is what i have seen. It seems to hold true. Subsonic baffle designs typically have a smaller blast chamber and baffles that are the basic K baffle design or stepped K baffle design and the baffles are typically stretched apart. If they are monocore designs, they are farther apart towards the blast chamber and closer together towards the end. Supersonic designs usually have a very large blast chamber and a bunch of flatter baffles close together. I assume this has to do with the much higher pressure generated by the supersonic rounds.

 

[mdmp5]

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Thanks for the explanation 762

 

[jonaddis84]

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Mike, change the title to reflect TBAC and Zach will probably chime in here with some good info. That or Im sure Rollingthunder is not far away

 

[TBass]

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762... I appreciate the explanation.

So is it fair for me to surmise that if I am looking to effectively suppress a 17HMR that I might be better off looking for a different style of can... Other than one primarily designed for a 22 rimfire?

I currently have a Thunderbeast 22L-1 and it is incredible on my 22, I am just questioning it's potential effectiveness before I go and have my HMR barrel threaded.

 

[762frmafr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TBass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">762... I appreciate the explanation.

So is it fair for me to surmise that if I am looking to effectively suppress a 17HMR that I might be better off looking for a different style of can... Other than one primarily designed for a 22 rimfire?

I currently have a Thunderbeast 22L-1 and it is incredible on my 22, I am just questioning it's potential effectiveness before I go and have my HMR barrel threaded. </div></div>

I would go another route if maximum suppression is what you are after. AWC Stalker would be a good starting place.

 

[jonaddis84]

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I would try the L-1 before you go buy another can, my L-1 sounds awesome on my 22mag

 

[mdmp5]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonaddis84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would try the L-1 before you go buy another can, my L-1 sounds awesome on my 22mag</div></div>

I have to agree with this. The 22L-1 is just in a class of its own. I have yet to see another can come close with respects to weight and suppression.

 

[RayDog]

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The 22L-1 will do just fine on the 17HMR.
I know you can't tell from video but.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ZTwNG-K48

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: .223 can vs .22 can

The 22L-1 was designed for .22LR, WMR, .17 HMR and similar rounds. It's very quiet. Those have small gas volume and relatively low pressure.

As other have said, the 223P-1 is designed for a .223 that operates at much much higher pressure and gas volume.

The difference between shooting a 338P-1 and a 30P-1 on a .308 rifle is very small. Both of those are designed to operate at high pressure.

 

[RayDog]

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Here' another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9awn0pyN3s

 

[TBass]

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Guys thanks for the input.

Ray – I really like that first video that you linked to… really shows the dramatic difference between suppressed & unsuppressed. Looks like I will be off to the gunsmith to have him thread my 17HMR barrel.

 

[mdmp5]

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Zak & Ray, thanks for jumping in on the discussion. It's always nice to get info from the manufacturers rather than mere speculation.

On another note, I still haven't tried out my 223P-1 on either of my ARs. Maybe later today. I will definitely report my results here

 

[biffj]

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I think the suppressor design is more related to gas volume rather than speed. The .223 can is made to handle much higher gas volume and pressure than the .22LR can. Because of that it won't work well with low volume, low pressure rounds like the .22. In fact you can take some .22LR suppressors and try them on a pistol like the mk2 or a walther, then put the same can on a rifle like a 10/22. Some work better on the pistol and others on the rifle depending on what the original intent was. The pistols will have a higher pressure than the rifles. The design for my .338 lapua can uses the high pressure gas against itself and results in a pretty quiet can but the same design on the .510 subsonic is really poor. The can needs to be designed for the intended purpose.....


Hope that helps

Frank

 

[Adam B]

Re: .223 can vs .22 can

During my last prairie dog hunt this summer I used a SWR 223 can with great success on a 22lr and a 17 HMR, it may not be as quite as a dedicated 22lr can but it worked very well regardless.

 

[fireguyty]

Re: .223 can vs .22 can

With my Sparrow, a supersonic 22 and a 17 hmr both sound the same.