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There is such a thing as too low

I think Frank said 1.5 inch ring height is essentially the new standard height for modern precision rifles...?
 
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Lowlight said:
1.375" to 1.5" is definitely the correct starting point
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I emailed F3R about 1.5" height without cantilever, but he said his straightup 1.5" design isn't finalized for production. Tallest he currently offers without cantilever is 1.35" but he's out of stock.
 
danatkins said:
Still see guys on FB saying low as possible. Will it ever die
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This guy shoots better than all of those idiots.
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I had a spirited discussion on this topic with my dear friend @Nik H who, if I remember correctly, told me that if I didn't have 1.5" rings my dick would fall off, I'd get full body herpes, and I'd never hit the 10 ring again in my life. (joking of course)

Here's the deal...I have super model high cheek bones. Don't hate me because I'm beautiful (which if you have ever seen me you would know is the furthest from the truth! haha). So, I need a very high comb to get behind a scope.

And, after years of clay target shooting I have absolutely confirmed that I need a high comb just to align with the rib (1.25" drop at comb). Its just a matter of the configuration of the on-side eye and the bottom of your cheek bone (because, as an old shotgunner, I kind of insist on a solid and repeatable cheek weld and rather think its the only weld that is utterly repeatable).

Right now I have two rifles in JAE chassis with ARC 1.10" rings.

And my head is NOT rolled over on my rifles....I've taken the Frank/Marc clinics twice and head roll was not one of my many issues (thank god, I have enough as it is LOL)

To get behind the scope properly with these rings and in these chassis, I have raised the comb almost as far as it will go. I have .17" of additional adjustment left. Not much, right. And, I think the JAE's are pretty much in the ball park with everyone else in terms of comb height adjustability.

So, if I put 1.5" rings on these guns, I would be far too low.

I do see where ARC makes 1.26" rings. If I use up that last .17" of comb adjustment, I should be able to get behind my scopes. But, I'm doubtful that .16" of additional height using these next taller rings is at all worth the $180+tax+shipping.

I guess my overall thought is that this is NOT a one size fits all parameter. That is NOT to say go as low as you can....not at all. Just get rings that will put you behind your scope, within the adjustments of your stock/chassis, with your head erect.

Just my view of it and I'm well prepared to be schooled by my betters! haha

Oh, for those who say just dump the JAE's and get a chassis with more comb adjustment...I will be glad to. Just send me $2k per chassis and I'll be happy to go shopping! haha

Cheers
 
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I go low because I have a small face and high cheekbones. I run out of comb height adjustment before I can get it high enough on a 1.5" height mount. The 1" =/- mounts work best for me.
 
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If you have an adjustable riser, you can dial in the rings.

The low thing is an artifact from hunting rifles that had no adjustment in the cheek riser. I use 1.5” rings because NV and most thermal clip ones require it.

@Baron23

I didn’t say your dick would fall off. You told me that happened long ago…LOL
 
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1.5" high x 6-mil scope mount, plus the 6-mil pic rail that came with my rifle, combined with the adjustable comb on the stock, lets me keep my head upright when I have a sloppy chin "weld."

I ordered a shorter replacement mount. and like @Baron23 suggested ... a chassis with more adjustment is a little ways out on finance schedule.
 
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Baron23 said:
I had a spirited discussion on this topic with my dear friend @Nik H who, if I remember correctly, told me that if I didn't have 1.5" rings my dick would fall off, I'd get full body herpes, and I'd never hit the 10 ring again in my life. (joking of course)

Here's the deal...I have super model high cheek bones. Don't hate me because I'm beautiful (which if you have ever seen me you would know is the furthest from the truth! haha). So, I need a very high comb to get behind a scope.

And, after years of clay target shooting I have absolutely confirmed that I need a high comb just to align with the rib (1.25" drop at comb). Its just a matter of the configuration of the on-side eye and the bottom of your cheek bone (because, as an old shotgunner, I kind of insist on a solid and repeatable cheek weld and rather think its the only weld that is utterly repeatable).

Right now I have two rifles in JAE chassis with ARC 1.10" rings.

And my head is NOT rolled over on my rifles....I've taken the Frank/Marc clinics twice and head roll was not one of my many issues (thank god, I have enough as it is LOL)

To get behind the scope properly with these rings and in these chassis, I have raised the comb almost as far as it will go. I have .17" of additional adjustment left. Not much, right. And, I think the JAE's are pretty much in the ball park with everyone else in terms of comb height adjustability.

So, if I put 1.5" rings on these guns, I would be far too low.

I do see where ARC makes 1.26" rings. If I use up that last .17" of comb adjustment, I should be able to get behind my scopes. But, I'm doubtful that .16" of additional height using these next taller rings is at all worth the $180+tax+shipping.

I guess my overall thought is that this is NOT a one size fits all parameter. That is NOT to say go as low as you can....not at all. Just get rings that will put you behind your scope, within the adjustments of your stock/chassis, with your head erect.

Just my view of it and I'm well prepared to be schooled by my betters! haha

Oh, for those who say just dump the JAE's and get a chassis with more comb adjustment...I will be glad to. Just send me $2k per chassis and I'll be happy to go shopping! haha

Cheers
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@Nik H is always right.

He’s got a picket fence decorated with dicks from peeps not listening.

Stopped reading after that. I’m an American….can’t stay on one topic that long…….and being a Marine once you stopped talking about dicks I was done.
 
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My rifles have no adjustment save tape and ensolite pad or Triad stock packs.

Often I find my head horizontal with earth rather than being perpendicular.

Not ideal but my fetish for historical based rifles prevents me from acknowledging ergonomics.

Glad to hear all you guys transitioned….not surprising.
 
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Anything shorter than the 1.5" mount im using on my axsr and my 7-35 literally would not fit
 
The closer it is to the barrel the fewer clicks needed to boresight.
 
It's my understanding that height above bore affects mpbr.
 
kthomas said:
So you are going to optimize your ring height for one shot to the detriment of every other shot you are going to take?

That's some ass backwards logic.
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We really need to implement a humor font on here.....

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1.5" mounts and a jaw weld for the win. Get that butt pad in on your collarbone neck junction for as straight of recoil impulse to body line center as possible.
 
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4O6shootist said:
1.5" mounts and a jaw weld for the win. Get that butt pad in on your collarbone neck junction for as straight of recoil impulse to body line center as possible.
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This is the way. IMO the “cheek weld” is antiquated and can easily cause issues. I just touch my jaw to the comb and my head is all but vertical. My scopes are 1.65”- 1.9” high and my rifle is set up slightly canted toward my head which brings the scope more in front of my eye so very little head tilt is needed.
 
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Lowlight said:
Is he really shooting or just letting the rifle do the work

he is buying more of a win then anything else,
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Compared to my IHMSA days, every time I get behind a PRS style rifle, I feel like its the rifle and I am all but the spectator. I’ve seen peopel brag about my marksmanship however, 1. I can’t even hold the rifle crosshair on the target point while shooting from a bench; 2. I am technically shooting worse than at any time in my last 65 years of shooting. Yet, I am still hitting targets out to a half mile or longer and doing it regularly enough to make myself wonder. As far as holds, wind correction, I am an old mortar man so bracketing is second nature.

Its got to be the rifle and the structure of PRS style shooting. Between the bags and the tripods and the weight of the rifles, hitting an MOA sized target at 300 yards is a given, a chip shot.

Just so you’ll know, I grabbed my money gun, the XP100 that I have used to shoot more 40x40’s than all the other handguns combined, shot at 100, 150 and 200 yards, shooting in Creedmoor position at Altus in March. It wasn’t pretty. final note, I am not nor will I ever be competitive in Precision Rifle competition. But it sure is fun to still be able to hit targets and not jsut from a bench rest.
 
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Milf Dots said:
All kidding aside, are Warne one piece mounts GTG for a quality precision rifle?
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Warne makes some good products but I wouldn't use that one as it's more of an AR mount but you could use this one.

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7824M 1 PC Precision Mount 34mm MSR Ideal Height

Engineered with the precision rifle shooter/competitor in mind. Machined from 7075 T6 aluminum billet, 2 integral recoil lugs,4 mounting crossbolts
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Or this if you wanted it shorter.

warnescopemounts.com

7824M 1 PC Precision Mount 34mm MSR Ideal Height

Engineered with the precision rifle shooter/competitor in mind. Machined from 7075 T6 aluminum billet, 2 integral recoil lugs,4 mounting crossbolts
warnescopemounts.com warnescopemounts.com
 
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Concur completely. Would go further.

Have always felt that a lower bore axis, relative to scope axis, tends to eliminate muzzle jump. I would be raising the butt pad to match the increase in scope height.

How say you?

Greg
 
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danatkins said:
Still see guys on FB saying low as possible. Will it ever die
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Are they talking about "these" types of rifles, or rifles in general? This is huge "internet issue" for sure, where context gets lost along the way. People tend to receive information that was intended for a specific application, a narrower intention, but interpret it and repeat it in a broader way than it was ever intended. (Or vise versa.) We all need to remember that online and not just with shooting related stuff.

If I say "you need at least X" (because I'm talking about a straight line stock with an high adjustable comb and butt) but you take that info and then repeat it to your friend, who tries to apply it to a stock with lots of drop and no comb, it's not going to go so well for them. Like I said that goes beyond guns. I watch videos where guys are giving engine advice, and I'm hesitant to follow it. "Do this, don't do this" , while I'm thinking yeah but you take your engine apart every couple months, where as I don't want to ever have to do it again! Does it still apply?
 
cas6969 said:
Are they talking about "these" types of rifles, or rifles in general? This is huge "internet issue" for sure, where context gets lost along the way. People tend to receive information that was intended for a specific application, a narrower intention, but interpret it and repeat it in a broader way than it was ever intended. (Or vise versa.) We all need to remember that online and not just with shooting related stuff.

If I say "you need at least X" (because I'm talking about a straight line stock with an high adjustable comb and butt) but you take that info and then repeat it to your friend, who tries to apply it to a stock with lots of drop and no comb, it's not going to go so well for them. Like I said that goes beyond guns. I watch videos where guys are giving engine advice, and I'm hesitant to follow it. "Do this, don't do this" , while I'm thinking yeah but you take your engine apart every couple months, where as I don't want to ever have to do it again! Does it still apply?
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My scope height is 2.55 in my mpa chassis I've had people tell me it needs to be as close to the barrel as possible. I actually plan on dropping to the next height down just too many irons in the fire
 
I can get behind a scope much better prone when it’s on the higher side. 2” is about perfect.
 
A good point to note in case you’re reading numbers here and looking to try something higher- there is height over bore(total height from center of bolt to center of scope) and there is ring height(how high center of scope is from the top rail). Ex-A 1.75” total ring/mount height puts my HOB around 2.85” on one rifle.
 
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Disclaimer: I didn't watch the video

I think the focus should be more on fitting the rifle to the shooter than worrying about what's "In" with scope height. Face structure, neck length are going to dictate how you need to set up comb and scope height....add body type in there if we are focusing more on prone.

Im another that has to go low (.8-1.2 depending on the scope and gun) because of my high ass cheek bones. 1.5+ and I'd have to put my chin ontop of the cheek rest to see.
 
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