Think ammo is hard to get now......

[7.62willdo]

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/06/4103593/lake-city-employees-offered-voluntary.html#


Let me preface the following with this, i do not have an MBA from harvard this is just my take on things.

lets say you have a bullet plant with 80 full time employees, now to keep them employees working full time the plant has to turn out 1,000,000 bullets a month but the military only buys 750,000 bullets from you a month that leaves a surplus of 250,000 bullets and nothing to do with them oh wait how about the civilian market! we will call them surplus and sell them to the people. problem solved!

But lets say you have a mechanized plant with one operator named bubba who only knows how to turn on the bullet making button and turn off the bullet making button, now the army calls and ask for 750,000 bullets so bubba gets up from behind the solitair game he was playing and pushes the ON button until the little meter says 750,000 then he pushes the off button, the army gets their bullets and everybody is happy.... oh wait except for the people not being able to buy surplus bullets anymore!

And on a side note i am a little discouraged by the guys on here say wahoo! mechanization!!! i wonder if you would feel the same way if you went into work tommorow and found out the company had bought a machine that could do YOUR job and you were on the street.

 

[den42]

thats bad news!!

 

[Maggot]

They didn't say they were cutting production, just employees. Sounds like mechanization has replaced humans once again.

 

[wdebo]

It doesn't say anything about slowing down production. Just they are running more efficiently and don't need the extra workforce.

 

[JohnP123]

Just a faster more efficent way to go i guess.

 

[DropinLead]

All read was more ammo to be made faster with less people and likely higher quality as well as a result. That's good news. What am I missing? Bring on the modernization man, eliminate people, use more machines!

 

[7.62willdo]

bump for explanation

 

[eli polite]

All industry is going that rout. it doesn't mean less ammo it just means that the employer does not have to deal with all the red tape. I would be willing to bet
that if there was not so much red tape surrounding employees they would be less inclined to mechanize..

look at it from the employers stand point.. unemployment, Obama care, and all the other B.S. or cut the human factor by 20% to 60% or so and still get the same amount of production.

 

[herro_prease]

why would he turn off the "bullet-making button" just because the .mil contract was up? what business in their right mind throws away profit because it's not from the government?

Sucks about the layoffs. But this isn't going to impact manufacturing output.

 

[7.62willdo]

why would he turn off the "bullet-making button" just because the .mil contract was up? what business in their right mind throws away profit because it's not from the government?

Sucks about the layoffs. But this isn't going to impact manufacturing output.

Hmmm.....Your right of course i guess i wasn't thinking, Why indeed would a Government run /owned business not make ammo to sell to the general population for their "ASSAULT RIFLES".

sorry for thinking otherwise


I'm out...

upon reading i see i worded that poorly i was talking about the lake city arsenal the whole time, not a private business

 

[herro_prease]

Hmmm.....Your right of course i guess i wasn't thinking, Why indeed would a Government run /owned business not make ammo to sell to the general population for their "ASSAULT RIFLES".

Well, now that's a different problem. I don't disagree with you there, but it is a touchy subject on a public forum. Especially this one.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Call me nutso, but this is the very reason why I won't use any of the 'robotic' "self-checkout" kiosk thingy's in the stores around here. Finding a human in a store like Rona or Home Despots is hard enough, and they want less?

Peoples gotta work.

 

[BapZander]

They finally got the machines hooked into skynet. No need for humans.

 

[HighGroundMan]

All I have to say is:
"Warning Will Robinson"
Robots Kill Humans!

 

[Tough Guy]

There will always be second hand stuff the military will not buy. I know where there's a place that built trucks for the military (lost their contract). They probably have one thousand trucks (or more) the military rejected as not wanted (the military pays them a certain amount of money per rejected vehicle) setting around there they cannot sell to anyone. Of course how many civilians do you know willing to buy a truck for many thousands more than you can buy from Detroit.

 

[TheGerman]

Automation, updated systems that allow for reduced headcount, outsourcing, etc.

For all we know its something as simple as them evaluating that if they paid X per pre-primed case instead of paying whatever direct/indirect costs they would incur to buy the primer and have someone put it in the case and found that the pre-primed case route is WAY cheaper. Well, if you're the 'primer person' we no longer need you, yet production doesn't miss a beat.

You'd have to be a full blown retard to cut your ability to make anything ammunition/weapons related anytime in the near future.

 

[pawprint2]

I doubt, very much doubt, that all the ammo plants in the world, there are plenty, are going to stand by and slow down production. In fact, I would guess most ammo plants, in the US and outside the US have increased production, and are looking to increase production even more (with the exception of Govt owned facilities), of course I am speaking of Plants with profit in mind. I would also guess those plants producing smokeless powder are increasing production (only customs is slowing them down). The shortage isn't going to be made worse because of the lack of production, nor the lack of the want of profit. Now new govt. regs are another matter. It takes a little time to tool-up, train-up etc. but the wheels of world wide production will "catch-up", as long as our leaders (IAW the rules of this board) our very great and smart leaders don't pass new regs etc that will keep the production from the free market.

 

[E. Bryant]

i wonder if you would feel the same way if you went into work tommorow and found out the company had bought a machine that could do YOUR job and you were on the street.

Oh my - if someone does a simple, repetitive task of the sort that can be easily duplicated by a machine, then they had damn well better expect this. I mean, the industrial revolution has only been going on for about 150 years. You'd like to this that this would have been sufficient time for people to get their shit in order; that we have so many people who are surprised by this is a major failing of society and will be studied in earnest by our descendants.

Evolve or die.

 

[bodywerks]

This^^^^^^^^^^

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[Unknown]

I have never been convinced that mechanization looses jobs. Sure, people who used to do the handwork are out of a job, but in order for mechanization to happen, there have to be people to design, build, deliver, install, maintain, make spare parts for the new machines, and of course run and monitor the new machines. Over all while I feel badly for anyone who is put out of work, I am happy for those who get ahead of the curve and see all the jobs made because of mechanization and/or computers. I think it is a no net gain.

 

[E. Bryant]

I have never been convinced that mechanization looses jobs.

That's because it doesn't. The industrial age has greatly increased wealth and the standard of living. It does requires that the workforce continues to evolve its skills, which is fine by me - our creator didn't endow us with an enormously powerful computer between our ears just so we can go perform a repetitive task for 40 hours a week and rot our brain with cheap beer and stupid entertainment the remainder of the time.

What we do have at this particular moment is a bit of an aberration in the history of modern economies - the supply of labor currently exceeds demand. Assuming that we can un-fuck certain economic developments of the past 50 years (namely, central planning and the private sector's obsession with "rent-seeking" behavior), this will correct itself in short order. What kind of disorder happens along the way is anyone's guess.

 

[Queequeg]

But what of the people who don't pull their pants up above the curvature of their buttocks? Who will employ them? Dear Lord, the humanity!

Seriously, I hope they all starve to death so the low pants thing becomes a distant memory of imbecility gone wild.