Gives a new meaning to the term "hot racks".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100430/ap_on_re_us/us_women_on_submarines
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This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
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Re: This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
have to wonder how many will wear flat top haircuts and their blues around their boxers...
have to wonder how many will wear flat top haircuts and their blues around their boxers...
Re: This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
I think it should have been amended to no attractive women in subs. run that for 10 years. My guess was that due to the ammount of stress that is endured in close quarters for long periods of time the rule was to keep men out of trouble. Why not have men subs and women subs. Happy compromise.
I think it should have been amended to no attractive women in subs. run that for 10 years. My guess was that due to the ammount of stress that is endured in close quarters for long periods of time the rule was to keep men out of trouble. Why not have men subs and women subs. Happy compromise.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the m700 project</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not have men subs and women subs. Happy compromise.</div></div>
Because every 28 days there'd be a launch.
And another one....
And another....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the m700 project</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not have men subs and women subs. Happy compromise.</div></div>
Because every 28 days there'd be a launch.
And another one....
And another....
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I am SOOOOOOOOOO F&*^%$( glad I am retired. I can not even imagine how bad it will be when they decide to put female enlisted on there especially on a fast attack. The nation is not ready to here how their poor daughters are constanly getting groped in a passage way when the reality is that they are just passing by each other.
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I am SOOOOOOOOOO F&*^%$( glad I am retired. I can not even imagine how bad it will be when they decide to put female enlisted on there especially on a fast attack. The nation is not ready to here how their poor daughters are constanly getting groped in a passage way when the reality is that they are just passing by each other.
USN retired
ssn 685
ssn 649
and ssn 683
Re: This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
Do they really believe in this changes? What are they looking for?
Do they really believe in this changes? What are they looking for?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Migrane</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do they really believe in this changes? What are they looking for?</div></div>
Looking for trouble and head aches....
What's next?? females in BUD/S?
I'm all for women carrying the same load as men but some things need to be better thought out.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Migrane</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do they really believe in this changes? What are they looking for?</div></div>
Looking for trouble and head aches....
What's next?? females in BUD/S?
I'm all for women carrying the same load as men but some things need to be better thought out.
Re: This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
It will end up being one expensive cluster F##K. They have already put them in the engineering spaces on surface ships and they can not do the job. This just puts a burden on the rest of the crew. It will taake one or two subs lost before someone gets enough sack to stand up and say this will not work.
It will end up being one expensive cluster F##K. They have already put them in the engineering spaces on surface ships and they can not do the job. This just puts a burden on the rest of the crew. It will taake one or two subs lost before someone gets enough sack to stand up and say this will not work.
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Political Correctness - 1
Common Sense and Reasoning - 0
Hopefully there will a rematch before this comes to tears.
Political Correctness - 1
Common Sense and Reasoning - 0
Hopefully there will a rematch before this comes to tears.
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Dumbass Navy. Just wait until they start having critiques on a regular basis because some chick can't open a port or starboard main steam stop in the required fashion and balance the plant. "Ooops, I'm sorry I didn't mean to cause that SCRAM"...
Imagine what some of those crazy bitches will offer for a sign off in their qualification book. LOL
Dumbass Navy. Just wait until they start having critiques on a regular basis because some chick can't open a port or starboard main steam stop in the required fashion and balance the plant. "Ooops, I'm sorry I didn't mean to cause that SCRAM"...
Imagine what some of those crazy bitches will offer for a sign off in their qualification book. LOL
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Must have been a woman who made that decision. Why? How many of you are married and know how much of a PITA women can be two weeks out of the month? You think for a minute any man would want to be underwater with ONE female knowing this?
AS my friend said,"Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck THAT!"
Must have been a woman who made that decision. Why? How many of you are married and know how much of a PITA women can be two weeks out of the month? You think for a minute any man would want to be underwater with ONE female knowing this?
AS my friend said,"Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck THAT!"
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I'm tellin ya, the only female that would do it is gonna be one of those ball busting flat top hair cut, flannel wearin baggy jean comfortable shoed mf'rs. No one is gonna get laid, and all will wish they never entered that particular sub. The Captain will hide in his state room, and everyone will be walking on egg shells around the bull dyke swabbie....oh man, I think I just ralphed in my mouth a bit at the image...
I'm tellin ya, the only female that would do it is gonna be one of those ball busting flat top hair cut, flannel wearin baggy jean comfortable shoed mf'rs. No one is gonna get laid, and all will wish they never entered that particular sub. The Captain will hide in his state room, and everyone will be walking on egg shells around the bull dyke swabbie....oh man, I think I just ralphed in my mouth a bit at the image...
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I'm actually shocked to see some of the responses here.
I always thought the best thing to do would be to have an all female crew on a submarine and see how they perform, on a trial basis.
I'm actually shocked to see some of the responses here.
I always thought the best thing to do would be to have an all female crew on a submarine and see how they perform, on a trial basis.
Re: This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
I think it would no longer be able to be dubbed "silent service"
I think it would no longer be able to be dubbed "silent service"
Re: This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
Whoa...
Nellie...
While I neither endorse nor condemn the move, I strongly suspect it will 'make waves'.
Greg
Whoa...
Nellie...
While I neither endorse nor condemn the move, I strongly suspect it will 'make waves'.
Greg
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I don't know about the squids, but after spending a life in the military it is a sad fact that in most MOS's females as a group simply cannot 'carry their weight' or share of the burden. I have yet to see 2/3 or more be able to lift the required 50 pounds in most MOS's by themselves without asking for help or smiling and wagging their asses to get the males to jump in and do their work on the premise they may get to fell it a bit.
The best idea so far, hell yeah, give them their own boat and let them have at it. If that ends in failure then the experiment is dead and should not be revisited
I don't know about the squids, but after spending a life in the military it is a sad fact that in most MOS's females as a group simply cannot 'carry their weight' or share of the burden. I have yet to see 2/3 or more be able to lift the required 50 pounds in most MOS's by themselves without asking for help or smiling and wagging their asses to get the males to jump in and do their work on the premise they may get to fell it a bit.
The best idea so far, hell yeah, give them their own boat and let them have at it. If that ends in failure then the experiment is dead and should not be revisited
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fighthard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dumbass Navy. Just wait until they start having critiques on a regular basis because some chick can't open a port or starboard main steam stop in the required fashion and balance the plant. "Ooops, I'm sorry I didn't mean to cause that SCRAM"...
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Much truth there, some jobs are simply have a peak strength requirement. While I don't doubt that there are some women out there that are stronger than your average M-Div type, those will be few and far between.
Hopefully they will do a better job of planning this than the last time they ran up a trial balloon (~10 years ago). As I recall, they were planning on stationing ~4-5 women on a Trident missile boat. These 4 or 5 women would have had an entire 9 man bunkroom reserved for them, as well as the exclusive use of 1 of the 2 main heads in berthing. Basically 1 head for 4-5 women, the other head for 100+ guys. It was almost as if the powers that be were damning the whole trial from the outset.
I can only imagine the hate and discontent that would have caused. Fortunately it was nixed by the powers-that-be at the time.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fighthard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dumbass Navy. Just wait until they start having critiques on a regular basis because some chick can't open a port or starboard main steam stop in the required fashion and balance the plant. "Ooops, I'm sorry I didn't mean to cause that SCRAM"...
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Much truth there, some jobs are simply have a peak strength requirement. While I don't doubt that there are some women out there that are stronger than your average M-Div type, those will be few and far between.
Hopefully they will do a better job of planning this than the last time they ran up a trial balloon (~10 years ago). As I recall, they were planning on stationing ~4-5 women on a Trident missile boat. These 4 or 5 women would have had an entire 9 man bunkroom reserved for them, as well as the exclusive use of 1 of the 2 main heads in berthing. Basically 1 head for 4-5 women, the other head for 100+ guys. It was almost as if the powers that be were damning the whole trial from the outset.
I can only imagine the hate and discontent that would have caused. Fortunately it was nixed by the powers-that-be at the time.
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It will make the waterfront along the piers a more interesting place to look from the firehouse LOL
I am sure we will see the first set of officers here in CT as they will have to go through Sub School before heading to Kings Bay or Bangor.
It will make the waterfront along the piers a more interesting place to look from the firehouse LOL
I am sure we will see the first set of officers here in CT as they will have to go through Sub School before heading to Kings Bay or Bangor.
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DAFAR and myself live in a submarine town - Specifically the Tridents but we have some fast attack as well.
All I can say is God Help us.
Bet the next Virginia class to come out of Electric Boat will have separate heads...
The crossing of the dateline and all those Navy Traditions will likely stop the first time a woman files a harassment complaint.
It's going to make the rest of the Navy completely "PC".
Good bye tradition.
DAFAR and myself live in a submarine town - Specifically the Tridents but we have some fast attack as well.
All I can say is God Help us.
Bet the next Virginia class to come out of Electric Boat will have separate heads...
The crossing of the dateline and all those Navy Traditions will likely stop the first time a woman files a harassment complaint.
It's going to make the rest of the Navy completely "PC".
Good bye tradition.
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PS - they banned smoking on subs last week stating that sailors returning from Sea that were nowhere near the smoking section were getting nicotine (Which occurs naturally in food as well FYI).
NOw that said, if the filtration is not getting the nicotine out of the air, what about the oils and exhausts etc - that makes for a hazardous work environment for the whiners.
THey got one person who doesn't smoke in power and now they can't smoke and they have women onboard.
I bet the sub force shrinks drastically soon...
It's completely voluntary still but that'll change.
Here's some more info on the local aspect:
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/apr/29/navy-makes-it-official-women-will-serve-on-subs/
PS - they banned smoking on subs last week stating that sailors returning from Sea that were nowhere near the smoking section were getting nicotine (Which occurs naturally in food as well FYI).
NOw that said, if the filtration is not getting the nicotine out of the air, what about the oils and exhausts etc - that makes for a hazardous work environment for the whiners.
THey got one person who doesn't smoke in power and now they can't smoke and they have women onboard.
I bet the sub force shrinks drastically soon...
It's completely voluntary still but that'll change.
Here's some more info on the local aspect:
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/apr/29/navy-makes-it-official-women-will-serve-on-subs/
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DAFAR and myself live in a submarine town - Specifically the Tridents but we have some fast attack as well.
All I can say is God Help us.
Bet the next Virginia class to come out of Electric Boat will have separate heads...
The crossing of the dateline and all those Navy Traditions will likely stop the first time a woman files a harassment complaint.
It's going to make the rest of the Navy completely "PC".
Good bye tradition. </div></div>
I can't see some chick sitting in her underwear on a frozen block of ice and then crawling around on her knees to eat a balut out of Neptune's belly button happening anymore...
Damn shame.
Maybe Shellback will be a pillow fight with a pedi and a mani in the new improved Navy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DAFAR and myself live in a submarine town - Specifically the Tridents but we have some fast attack as well.
All I can say is God Help us.
Bet the next Virginia class to come out of Electric Boat will have separate heads...
The crossing of the dateline and all those Navy Traditions will likely stop the first time a woman files a harassment complaint.
It's going to make the rest of the Navy completely "PC".
Good bye tradition. </div></div>
I can't see some chick sitting in her underwear on a frozen block of ice and then crawling around on her knees to eat a balut out of Neptune's belly button happening anymore...
Damn shame.
Maybe Shellback will be a pillow fight with a pedi and a mani in the new improved Navy.
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So what the hell do you call them, Submariness. Talk about Petticoat Junction.
So what the hell do you call them, Submariness. Talk about Petticoat Junction.
Re: This will not cause trouble for the US Navy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fighthard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I can't see some chick sitting in her underwear on a frozen block of ice and then crawling around on her knees to eat a balut out of Neptune's belly button happening anymore...
Damn shame.
Maybe Shellback will be a pillow fight with a pedi and a mani in the new improved Navy.
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They have women on surface ships now that cross over. I wonder if they do the Shellback ceremony?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fighthard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I can't see some chick sitting in her underwear on a frozen block of ice and then crawling around on her knees to eat a balut out of Neptune's belly button happening anymore...
Damn shame.
Maybe Shellback will be a pillow fight with a pedi and a mani in the new improved Navy.
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They have women on surface ships now that cross over. I wonder if they do the Shellback ceremony?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
NOw that said, if the filtration is not getting the nicotine out of the air, what about the oils and exhausts etc - that makes for a hazardous work environment for the whiners.
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The air filtration systems were good on board, especially the newer boats, but nothing's perfect. Every time I got back in port, everything I owned had an extremely strong eau-de-diesel. I didn't mind it a bit, but my wife insisted that my entire seabag remain outside until all clothing went through the wash. To this day, I have books in my library that have a faint whiff of "boat".
I worked in the back half of the boat (nuclear reactor) and my job had very little to do with the aux. diesel up forward.
Even 10+ years ago when I got out, smoking was definitely on the decline. There were only two "approved" smoking areas on the entire boat (the far end of shaft alley, and the back corner of AMR1). Even these were often limited to two or three smokers at one time. The smoking lamp was out during drills and other evolutions of course.
Hell, now days, there is probably a black mark on your Evals if you smoke.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
NOw that said, if the filtration is not getting the nicotine out of the air, what about the oils and exhausts etc - that makes for a hazardous work environment for the whiners.
</div></div>
The air filtration systems were good on board, especially the newer boats, but nothing's perfect. Every time I got back in port, everything I owned had an extremely strong eau-de-diesel. I didn't mind it a bit, but my wife insisted that my entire seabag remain outside until all clothing went through the wash. To this day, I have books in my library that have a faint whiff of "boat".
I worked in the back half of the boat (nuclear reactor) and my job had very little to do with the aux. diesel up forward.
Even 10+ years ago when I got out, smoking was definitely on the decline. There were only two "approved" smoking areas on the entire boat (the far end of shaft alley, and the back corner of AMR1). Even these were often limited to two or three smokers at one time. The smoking lamp was out during drills and other evolutions of course.
Hell, now days, there is probably a black mark on your Evals if you smoke.
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I was on a subtender(Emory S. Land) that was welded to the pier. We had females onboard and I don't recall any major problems. BUT, that was about like a shore assignment.
I cannot imagine the hullabaloo that will erupt when you have men and women together underwater.
Then again, maybe I am just pessimistic.
I was on a subtender(Emory S. Land) that was welded to the pier. We had females onboard and I don't recall any major problems. BUT, that was about like a shore assignment.
I cannot imagine the hullabaloo that will erupt when you have men and women together underwater.
Then again, maybe I am just pessimistic.
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