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thoughts on savage barrel nut.

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Ok i am on the fence if i what to build a savage or remm. 700.I have both and trying to deside which one to build .

I have spoke with a smith on the savage.He stated that if he built the savage he would not use the barrel nut.Everything i have read has stated that the barrel nut does not afect the guns preformance at all.

I do like the idea of being able to change the barrrels myself ,with go-no go gauges.Gun will be 300 winn mag.I was toying with the idea of a 257 weatherby mag.But have changed my mind a whent with a 1-10 twist krieger #18 contour barrel.thanks guys.
 
#2
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

rem = tons of parts for it, tons of stocks, smith's know it

savage = a lot more parts than most people thing for it, tons of stocks, and you don't ever need a smith

i'm going savage and never getting another rem. after the savage i'd like a tikka or howa to try out, as both have better actions
 
#3
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

As far as I'm concerned, the barrel nut is what makes a Savage.

I think your smith has his head up his @$$ if he thinks the nut costs accuracy. There are many of us shooting rifles with a big, fat ugly barrel nut that get FANTASTIC accuracy.
 
#4
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

His smith probably suggests not using a barrel nut simply because of all his Remington 700 experience.

Ask Fred Moreno or Kevin Rayhill what they think about a Savage barrel nut...
 
#5
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

Man that barrel nut is so ugly..lol once its altogether it doesn’t even catch my eye. Here is mine i did on my own. Had Pac-Nor cut me a nice barrel and the the rest was my own...i enjoying being able to do things in my own garage. But it was a long action so parts and what not were limited. All in all it’s a nice hunting rifle
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#6
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

eliminating the nut puts you right where he wants you. owning a remmy. why would you even ask a smith anything about a savage anyway let alone PAY someone to put a savage build together. unless you just had no tools, experience or desire to DIY then buy the remmy. but unless it was SSS, Rayhill or GAP and maybe TACOPS if mike will entertain a savage in the shop after FFK, lol.

but the nut is the last thing i notice on my rifle.
 
#7
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

There are several companies offering the barrel nut kit for the remington.

I have both savage and rem. I prefer the feel of the rem action. both brands are capable of excellent accuracy
 
#9
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

I set mine up with out the barrel nut. Why? I can run a heavier contour/breech end on the barrel. It also looks cleaner to me but that doesn't effect fuction and is personal preference.

As far as the changing barrel thing. You still need a barrel nut/action wrench to take the Savage barrel nut off. To me whats the difference with or with out the nut. You still need them.

If the barrel is installed and headspaced etc...with out the nut taking the barrel on and off shouldn't be changing the headspace once it has been set. Unless you are beating the hell out of the wrench to seat the barrel.

My old Savage 112v made back in the mid '70's (The original Savage Varmint single shot) has had barrels in .22cal, 6mm, .280AI, .308win., .338 Lapua and currently has 7.5x58mm on it. If I want to put the .338 barrel back on all I do is take the one barrel off and put that one on and change the bolt head if need be.

I prefer them with out the nut and set it up like the Rem. with an oversize recoil lug that is double pinned to the receiver so the lug is always timed and doesn't effect the pillar/glass bedding at all.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
 
#10
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I set mine up with out the barrel nut. Why? I can run a heavier contour/breech end on the barrel. It also looks cleaner to me but that doesn't effect fuction and is personal preference.

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Frank,

Could you please share with us the advantages of having a heavier contour on the breech end of the barrel. Thanks.

Is it stiffer? More heat capacity?
 
#12
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

I would also wonder what parts he is planning to use? If the using a barrel blank then it wouldn't really matter, but you can't use the factory barrel, without rechambering and such, and leave the barrel nut off. It wouldn't work without machining and such, in my mind anyways. I don't concern myself with the nut, but I don't remove it. I'm with the guys above, I want it there because I can change my rifle to anything I want it to be (with the proper tools)and not have to have somebody do it for me. Can they do a better job, maybe, I guess that would depend on who "they" are.

In my opinion removing the barrel nut simply does make it a remmy and if I'm gonna do that....well I might as well get a remmy and get a nicer bolt lift! Sorry that's my only complaint on the savage is the bolt lift.

Leave the nut and then you have the option to have him change the barrel without having to do more machine work on the action/barrel in the future. I may be wrong, but you can't rebarrel a remmy without machining can you?
 
#14
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

My two arguments for the nut:

1) Some people say it provides an additional ring of protection in case of a big failure.

2) It makes it easier for the home enthusiest to do a barrel swap.

My three arguments against the nut:

1) It's kind of ugly (if you care).

2) It's unnecessary if you are already having a smith thread/chamber a barrel.

3) It takes longer to swap a barrel with a nut setting head spacing.
 
#15
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

not to argue, but if youre already having a smith do the work, you just have him do it to the specs of any other savage prefit barrel and then add it to the collection of other barrels in your safe. and i had never headspaced anything. i looked at youtube and saw a guy do it and explain it and i did it in like 5 minutes. i have redone it several times as i did this and that
 
#16
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

Parkj5, If you run the Krieger #18 LV contour you cannot use the nut. That barrel has a breech diameter of 1.200. Your Savage action will either have to be close to 1.055" or 1.125" threads depending on which action you have. In order to use the nut you will have to turn the breech end of the barrel down for the size you have and or have the barrel contoured differently.

Once the barrel is threaded and chambered and headspaced (even using the barrel nut way the barrel still has to be chambered to a certain depth) weather you use the barrel nut way or set it up like a Remington style you still need certain tools to take the barrels on and off. I don't see one way being faster than the other. So to me it's a wash.

The two things I don't like about the nut (this doesn't mean it's a bad system) is the nut thread size/tolerance could be a few thou. difference than the receiver. This can effect how the barrel fits the receiver itself. I don't like a loose sloppy fit on the barrel to the receiver. If I have to make the threads to fit the nut and the barrel is a looser fit on the receiver will it make a difference? Maybe, maybe not but I don't care for it.

The other thing that was pointed out earlier by me and a couple of others was by not running the nut I can run a heavier contour barrel on the gun. Any advantage accuracy wise? Probably not. I've stated in other posts I don't feel the contour has as much of an impact on accuracy as some think it might. The straighter the barrel blank, the more uniform the bore sizes and twist the more forgiving the barrel is going to be etc...but being able to run a heavier breech end/contour I can make my rifle weigh more if I want. I'm not being held back by having to have the breech end a certain diameter because of the barrel nut. My one Savage rifle I had a barrel on it that measured 1.300 on the breech diameter and a .975 muzzle at 28" finish.

To me it's cleaner looking and it's my preference. We've set guns up for guys both ways with no complaints. It really comes down to what you want and how you want it to look.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: parkj5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok i am on the fence if i what to build a savage or remm. 700.I have both and trying to deside which one to build .

I have spoke with a smith on the savage.He stated that if he built the savage he would not use the barrel nut.Everything i have read has stated that the barrel nut does not afect the guns preformance at all.

I do like the idea of being able to change the barrrels myself ,with go-no go gauges.Gun will be 300 winn mag.I was toying with the idea of a 257 weatherby mag.But have changed my mind a whent with a 1-10 twist krieger #18 contour barrel.thanks guys.</div></div>

FYI, they make "savage" nut QD barrels for Rem. now...

http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,25549.0.html
 
#18
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigBlue&Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My two arguments for the nut:

1) Some people say it provides an additional ring of protection in case of a big failure.

2) It makes it easier for the home enthusiest to do a barrel swap.

My three arguments against the nut:

1) It's kind of ugly (if you care).

2) It's unnecessary if you are already having a smith thread/chamber a barrel.

3) It takes longer to swap a barrel with a nut setting head spacing.</div></div>

set it once, locktight the nut to the BBL, now you can remove and replace and never reset the headspace...
 
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Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

I made the mistake of having a smith put a Savage together for me. It was a nightmare. Just keep the nut, get the nut wrench and a prefit barrel. Kreiger will even prefit now. Headspacing is easy.I have 3 savage actions and can put any barrel on any of the actions in 15 minutes. Depends on what I am using them for Fclass/hunting/tac steel match, etc.
 
#20
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Parkj5, If you run the Krieger #18 LV contour you cannot use the nut. That barrel has a breech diameter of 1.200. Your Savage action will either have to be close to 1.055" or 1.125" threads depending on which action you have. In order to use the nut you will have to turn the breech end of the barrel down for the size you have and or have the barrel contoured differently.

Once the barrel is threaded and chambered and headspaced (even using the barrel nut way the barrel still has to be chambered to a certain depth) weather you use the barrel nut way or set it up like a Remington style you still need certain tools to take the barrels on and off. I don't see one way being faster than the other. So to me it's a wash.

The two things I don't like about the nut (this doesn't mean it's a bad system) is the nut thread size/tolerance could be a few thou. difference than the receiver. This can effect how the barrel fits the receiver itself. I don't like a loose sloppy fit on the barrel to the receiver. If I have to make the threads to fit the nut and the barrel is a looser fit on the receiver will it make a difference? Maybe, maybe not but I don't care for it.

The other thing that was pointed out earlier by me and a couple of others was by not running the nut I can run a heavier contour barrel on the gun. Any advantage accuracy wise? Probably not. I've stated in other posts I don't feel the contour has as much of an impact on accuracy as some think it might. The straighter the barrel blank, the more uniform the bore sizes and twist the more forgiving the barrel is going to be etc...but being able to run a heavier breech end/contour I can make my rifle weigh more if I want. I'm not being held back by having to have the breech end a certain diameter because of the barrel nut. My one Savage rifle I had a barrel on it that measured 1.300 on the breech diameter and a .975 muzzle at 28" finish.

To me it's cleaner looking and it's my preference. We've set guns up for guys both ways with no complaints. It really comes down to what you want and how you want it to look.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

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So the LV contour barrel is larger than my stock varmit barrel. i have the small shank Barrel.Looks like i messed up, i was thinking the threads on a savage were bigger than that of a remmington 700...I would like to keep the nut for the switch barrel option.I also have a remm. action i could build it opn but i do like the savage better...JUST MY OPION...Thanks to all that have posted on my post i have learned alot on this site...
 
#21
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

The non target Savage actions and older style Savage actions have an approx. receiver thread size of 1.055".

The new target actions Savages I believe are mostly 1.125" diameter threads.

If your going to use the Savage barrel nut your barrel has to be contoured correctly to use it. Having the barrel you said with a 1.200 breech diameter won't work.

Example if your receiver is a 1.055" thread size have them contour the barrel as follows:

1.060 x 2.000 then straight taper the contour to .875 @ 26" finish.

The 1.060 diameter on the breech end will give your smith a chance to take a clean up cut on the diameter and then thread, chamber and cut and crown your barrel to length.

The 1.200 breech diameter will be to big to use the nut. If you already have the barrel at 1.200" in your hands stick it on your Rem.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
 
#22
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me it's cleaner looking and it's my preference. We've set guns up for guys both ways with no complaints. It really comes down to what you want and how you want it to look.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels</div></div>

If Bartlein made Savage prefits I would be on that like a fat chick on a diet Coke and I suspect a whole lot of others would too.
 
#23
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me it's cleaner looking and it's my preference. We've set guns up for guys both ways with no complaints. It really comes down to what you want and how you want it to look.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels</div></div>

If Bartlein made Savage prefits I would be on that like a fat chick on a diet Coke and I suspect a whole lot of others would too. </div></div>

I'm busting a gut right now!!!!!!!!!!

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
 
#24
Re: thoughts on savage barrel nut.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me it's cleaner looking and it's my preference. We've set guns up for guys both ways with no complaints. It really comes down to what you want and how you want it to look.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels</div></div>

If Bartlein made Savage prefits I would be on that like a fat chick on a diet Coke and I suspect a whole lot of others would too. </div></div>

I'm busting a gut right now!!!!!!!!!!

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels </div></div>

+1 on Bartlein doing Savage prefits. Count me in for a couple of those.

Frank, hope that 284 FN SPR is going well!
 
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