Rifle Scopes Thoughts on the Europtic Steiner 4-16 SCR Scope

[notorious]

I remember reading about this scope a while back, and it appears that it has now been released.

Has anyone got their hands on it?

http://www.eurooptic.com/5221-Steiner-Steiner-P4Xi-4-16x56-SCR-Zero-Stop-FFP-Tac-Knob.aspx

 

[athanasios23]

Sparked my interest. I currently have the 4-16 military and the 3-15 mx5i. And I own 2 S&B scopes. Only 2 brands I'll run on my heavy long range rifles. Hunting rifles are a different story. If these are anything like the previous 4-16 military scopes Steiner was making then I think it will be a great competitor in the that price range.

 

[longshot2000]

Sparked my interest. I currently have the 4-16 military and the 3-15 mx5i

I would be very interested how this compares to those lines. Looks like some economies in the turrets, but not familiar with the specifics...

 

[lash]

Europtic needs to fix the specs listed on their site. They show the eye relief as .5 - 4.0" I would be shocked if that were the actual eye relief. I'll guess that they real number is 3.5 - 4".

 

[D_TROS]

I shot a match in northern CO last weekend and a guy that works for Steiner happened to be there using this scope in the match. I didn't see it till the match was over (he was in diff squad) but I got a couple minutes to play with it.

First impressions were good. I couldn't really tell the weight as it was on a rifle, but it was about the same size as the old steiner 4-16 scopes. The rear focus ring and zoom zoom knob are exact same as my steiner 3-15 T5xi. Scope was longer and the knobs are obviously different.

Having just shot the match with my trusty XTR2 4-20 on my backup rifle, I noticed the glass was brighter than my XTR. Exact same rect. I wish I could have compared the FOV and some more on CA and brightness, but the short time I had looking through it, I was happy happy - tough to tell glass quality as during mid day most scopes look good. It was eerie how similar to my 3-15 I felt it was. I love my 3-15 for my hunting scope. Its a good zoom range, compact, illum, and glass good.

The knobs were very similar to the old stiners, and the steiner guy shooting it said they arnt happy with the knobs yet and are going to make em better...whatever that means. They were very clicky, but they was some mushiness between clicks. I didn't mind as I really like the old steiner knobs that many complained were not clicky enough, but I preferred it over excessive tactile like the premiers as slightly mushy are easier to turn precisely for me. Each their own, but people put WAAAY too much stock in the "feel" of a scopes clicks. As long as it tracks...

Over all, for the price they look sweet. I would much prefer my 3-15 due to compact size and smaller knobs, but for what $500-800 ish less it is a very nice scope. I would be interested in one maybe for an AR10 type rifle or a rimfire as Im a zoom whore for my match rifles. I wish I checked how low the parallax goes. dang it. also cant remember how high the knobs go, I imagine 10 mil knobs...?

Cant wait to see one production run tho. I also forgot to ask when they were going to have em for sale as I literally noticed it as I was leaving the match. I imagine they are close to release if they have people shooting them tho. In this price range tho...

Regards,
DT

 

[IndustrialHalo]

Checked the EuroOptic page. Specs list parallax at 50yds to infinity at the moment. Looks like possibly a nice setup depending on how the turrets end up.

 

[notorious]

First impressions were good. I couldn't really tell the weight as it was on a rifle, but it was about the same size as the old steiner 4-16 scopes. The rear focus ring and zoom zoom knob are exact same as my steiner 3-15 T5xi. Scope was longer and the knobs are obviously different.

Sounds like the photo on EuroOP is what the scope really looks like.

I thought it looked like a T5Xi mated with an older Military....and I LOVE my Military scopes.

 

[Primus]

I wouldn't take the gamble. Stick to German made Steiners. Love my 4-16x50.

 

[supercorndogs]

Looks like a winner, although with the TX5i being found for the same price, I would have trouble choosing this one over it. Looks like it was made to compete with the lower end 1k stuff.

 

[Alex V]

I picked up a Military 4-16 here a few months ago for around the same price but I have not mounted it yet. I was thinking about picking up another one but this peaks my interest. I love my Military 5-25.

 

[notorious]

I picked up a Military 4-16 here a few months ago for around the same price but I have not mounted it yet. I was thinking about picking up another one but this peaks my interest. I love my Military 5-25.

I have 2 4-16 Militarys and they are fantastic. I will never let them go.

 

[Primus]

I picked up a Military 4-16 here a few months ago for around the same price but I have not mounted it yet. I was thinking about picking up another one but this peaks my interest. I love my Military 5-25.

I am selling one if you are interested, PM me.

 

[JMGlasgow]

I wouldn't take the gamble. Stick to German made Steiners. Love my 4-16x50.

The original Steiner Military scopes were built in Greeley. The glass was imported from Germany, and the scopes were built to Steiner Germany specs and quality.

Still one of my favorite scopes.

 

[JR869]

I am selling one if you are interested, PM me.

PM'ed

 

[the_accuser]

Ordered one of these scopes yesterday along with the RRS uni-block 20MOA mount. That should round out my Tikka build.

 

[BBRRaider]

Ordered one of these scopes yesterday along with the RRS uni-block 20MOA mount. That should round out my Tikka build.

I'm interested to hear your feedback.

 

[notorious]

Yep, it would be great if you let us know what you think!

 

[the_accuser]

Got the scope and mount in yesterday. This is the nicest scope I've ever owned. Freakin' solid and the turrets are tight. I like the how the second rev indicator turns green so you easily know where you're at. The glass looks amazingly crisp and clear but you're talking about a guy who's nicest scope beforehand was a Leupold Mark AR mod 1. I hope to get to the range monday to sight things in.

 

[blbennett1288]

looks good the_accuser !

 

[plong]

Got the scope and mount in yesterday. This is the nicest scope I've ever owned. Freakin' solid and the turrets are tight. I like the how the second rev indicator turns green so you easily know where you're at. The glass looks amazingly crisp and clear but you're talking about a guy who's nicest scope beforehand was a Leupold Mark AR mod 1. I hope to get to the range monday to sight things in.

Test the tracking...!

 

[MarkLeupold]

^^^ Seconded!

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[notorious]

Hmmm, that is similar to how the 4-16 Military rev indicator works. It has a little peg that moves in and out at the same location of the scope.


That is a nice, clean looking scope BTW. All business.

 

[notorious]

I have a few questions: Is it rev-limited in elevation? What is the elevation range? Thanks

 

[lash]

I have a few questions: Is it rev-limited in elevation? What is the elevation range? Thanks

Per the Europtic website specs:

.1 mrad with zero stop
30 mrad elevation with rotation indicator
16 mrad windage

 

[notorious]

Thank you!

 

[the_accuser]

Got a chance to sight in the scope this morning...very simple. Chrono'd some loads and smacked a few steel plates at 500 yards. Started on a tracking test when a storm came up and ruined my target and ended my shooting for the day. I'll have to get the tracking test done another day. Overall, the glass is very clear and crisp. I'm going to have to play with the parallax. This is the first scope i've had with it and am not familiar with exactly how it works. Every target from 100 to 500 looked clear to me without adjusting the knob. Any advise on that?

 

[lash]

Re: parallax. It's a good thing that your scope looks clear from 100-500 yards. That can be handy if engaging a few different targets within these distances in a hurry. That's not true of all scopes.

But parallax is more about making sure that you are aligned exactly the same every time you engage a target at a certain distance. To adjust parallax at a specific distance, get on target behind the scope and then move your head side to side and up and down just a little, being careful not to move the rifle. When the parallax is adjusted correctly for that distance, the target aim point should not move at all in relation to the reticle.

This will ensure that each time you engage the target, your aim point is exactly the same and not shifted due to parallax.

 

[longshot2000]

Still looking for a comparison of the 4-16 Mil, the Euro-Optic 4-16 and the 5xi 3-15

 

[JMGlasgow]

I would imagine that the EuroOptic 4-16 is virtually the same as the 4-16 Military. You can clearly see the same lineage between the two. Minor differences with the turret, parallax and illumination knob design and power ring. Obviously upgraded reticle, glass is probably identical, EuroOptic has a 56mm objective, is slightly lighter, and slightly shorter than the the Military.