Re: thoughts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kentactic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how many crimes did i prevent last week? ZERO..... because my rights have been stripped... you better beleive a man with a pistol on his hip enjoying a coffee at starbucks prevents crime.</div></div>
Really? What crime are you referring to? I'm going to assume a robbery of the very Starbucks you are sitting in with your pistol.
Problem is, I can't really think of a single robbery I've been called to at a Starbucks. I tried to make this point earlier and its apparently fallen on deaf ears. Regular, honest, hard working citizens rarely are the victims of crime because they don't insert themselves into situations where they are likely to be victimized.
The 'regular' joes that do become victims of crime have typically done something to bring about their own victimization. I've been to countless 'robberies' where after 40 minutes of BS they finally admitted they followed a guy into the alley to buy drugs and thats when they got jacked. Or any of the dozens of assaults I dealt with each week which had less to do with their being randomly victimized and more to do with their soaring BAC and a mouth writing checks their fists couldn't cash.
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you say LE prevents crime when they arrest a person after it happens... explain how that is preventing crime? or are you assuming he will commit more crimes in the future? </div></div>
You seem to be implying police only arrest people after they have committed a crime. A sequence of events along the lines of criminal commits crime, citizen calls police, police respond and arrest criminal after the fact.
You do realize police arrest people all the time for crimes that don't require a victim, like drug possession and weapons charges, right? You realize by arresting drug dealers and thugs with weapons that it does reduce their ability to continue to pollute a neighborhood with drugs or use the weapons they are possessing illegally against other criminals or even the 'regular' people.
When I say illegally possessing, I'm talking about felons with lengthy criminal histories not regular citizens exercising their rights.
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are even better yet are you guys out arresting innocent people that have a high risk of committing a crime in the future now? </div></div>
That such a troll statement to make its not even funny. The very nature of, I don't know, the law...makes it impossible to arrest somebody without something called probable cause. So I'm not sure how innocent people are arrested having not committed any crime. Lets look at it another way, these people with high risk of committing crimes in the future...there's a word for them. CRIMINALS. Regular people don't have ANY risk of committing crime in the future.
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this all comes back to the mentality that your saving people like ME from anything... if there were more people like myself then there would be no need to have a huge police force. you arent protecting me from anything understand that...your only defending the sheeple. and because govt. has trained so many people to become sheeple theres a growing need for LE... and thats exactly what the govt. wants... public dependance on them. </div></div>
I'm glad you are a self sufficient person capable of defending yourself from the evil in this world. I'd ask that you consider that most people aren't like you. Who's to blame for modern society being weak and incapable of defending itself? I don't know, nor do I particularly care, its something that took a long time to happen and its out of my hands to change. Whether you agree with it or not, most people are not capable of defending themselves and that's why we have law enforcement.
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if the second ammendmant was intact then every adult would be carrying a firearm... you show me a person ballzy enough to try and rob people with a room full of people with guns ready to use them...</div></div>
Again, regular people are not typically the victims of robbery. Its extremely rare that a regular person minding their own business is randomly victimized by a criminal on the prowl.
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and if you do show me that person then please explain how LE some how does a better job of preventing that crime rather then just arressting him after everyones dead. </div></div>
I don't know, by contacting suspicious people with reasonable suspicion and ascertaining what they may be up to and whether or not its anything good. I can tell you've I've personally contacted a number of people that have either run and resulted in an arrest and gun taken off them or through their own attempts to pull the wool over my eyes given up drugs, guns, and all sorts of shit they shouldn't be up to. Nobody called me or sent me to those incidents, I dug them up on my own. I dare say taking significant quantities of drugs and guns off the street most certainly prevents crime.
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the more guns in the civilians hands the lower the crime rate is its proven time and time again...</div></div>
How exactly? Point me towards some objective research that supports that? Something like 40-50% of homes in the US have a gun in them. You still have homes burglarized in broad daylight in populated neighborhoods and nobody sees it. By your logic something like half the people in this country should be immune to crime. Having a gun doesn't keep you from being the victim of a crime, its not some magical shield that keeps bad people away. I hope every house in America has a gun in it at some point but homes will still be burglarized and stuff will still be stolen.
People with CCWs tend not be victims of crime. If the bad guys can't see the gun though, it can't really be a deterrent. In my experience, people with CCWs aren't victimized because they recognize the responsibility that comes with carrying. They are smart, educated, responsible people, and they make smart decisions and avoid bad situations. Thats why they aren't victimized, not because the gun provides some invisible bad guy shield. If a criminal should happen upon them, they're equipped to handle it, more power to them.
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the govt tries to take them away to solve the problem but they should be dropping huge crates of firearms from planes to lower crime. you can put all the felons in prison you want...or dont...dosent matter to me... if i was able to exercise my right to defend myself in this godforsaken state then id have no issue with taking care of them myself.. if civilians were able to truley exercise the second ammendment then we wouldnt be pileing them up in prisons (you say 2.5 million like thats a good thing) and feeding them 3 squares. wed just kill them off. and thats how it should be. </div></div>
How many times have you been a random victim of crime? How many of these evil doers would you have had a chance to put in the ground if you were allowed? If half of what you say about yourself is true I'm going to guess you've never been the victim of any serious crime. Probably because you keep your head up and don't allow yourself to haphazardly walk into bad situations.
Further reinforcing my point.
Rich
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