Tips for a Shaky Senior

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May 19, 2011
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Hello All. I've been a handgun and shotgun shooter for years, but in the last 6 months have given rifles a try and love it. I now have a Remington 700 .308 Milspec and a RRA 20" heavy barreled .223, both with nice glass. Here's my concern. At 60 years old now, the steady hand ain't what it used to be. Even at 100 yards with a bipod on a bench, I still have trouble staying on center target due to slight hand tremors. I have shot occasional MOA groups at 100, 200, and 300 yards, but it's rare. I bought Plaster's book hoping for some help, but evidently most Snipers are sub-60
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No help there. Any other senior shooters out there with any advice? Thanks!

Bob
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rarebreed93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe not hold the rifle so tight, let it lay in your shoulder and on the bipod and relax your grip. </div></div>

Thanks. I have tried that. Movement actually gets a little wider with a relaxed grip. A tight grip with lots of pressure of the butt against the shoulder lessens the swing a bit, but it's a very tiring way to try to shoot and it has to be bad for trigger pull.
 
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Talk to your physician about the tremors. If you are serious, there may be some treatments that could help you. Avoid caffeine prior to shooting...
 
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A sling may help. Another question...is your tremor bilateral? Is it worse with one hand or the other? If one hand is less, use that hand and shoulder as the control hand. You may have to learn to shoot with the other eye...but it can be done. I have. Maybe a one piece rest with the screw adjustments. A friend has one, and while it isn't tactical, it can help someone in such a predicament as you. Mount a camera type cable release to avoid the trigger jerks. (A la Ransom rest controls). Don't give up. There is enough playing around with loads and wind reading and other imponderables to challenge you even with a "machine" type rest. Good luck.
 
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys. In my OP I did say slight tremor, so I'm not ready for a medical specialist or remotely operated triggers. The gun doesn't shake like a martini, it's just annoyingly unsteady. I think what I am experiencing is much the same as anyone of my age, and many of my shooting friends in their late 50's and early 60's complain of the same things. None of us quite know what to do though. Since posting, I have been doing more reading on technique. Being a beginner with the rifle and powerful optics, it may be that some of what I experience is self induced. Dry fire practice in the last couple of days seems to have helped. But any other pointers are appreciated. Thanks again.

Bob
 
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Hello Bob,
You are most likely using a bench, maybe prone, sounds like you have a strong grasp of basic shooting fundamentals. The tremor thing, if everything else you are doing works, you need to work on what I call a "controlled experiment".
Stay with what works and try to discover a new, or improved, different method, or technique, with the problem hand.
Experiment, maybe a different palm rest, a different trigger, change in position, sounds like you have reached a level of performance acceptable except for consistency because of the hand tremors.
You have heard this before, training and practice, actually may be the only answer. I have been there too.
I turned 65 last Thursday.
Don't beat yourself up to bad.
 
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Hi again Bob,
I meant to mention in the last post that my biggest improvement through practice and training come with the purchase of a Savage MKll BVSS rifle in .22LR with a tactical scope one it.
It's a heavy barrel, stainless, laminated stock with bipod, etc.
Just trigger time, lots of it, experiment at a fraction of the cost, and practice, practice, practice.
JOE
 
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I'm older then most here, be 64 come the 23rd. I'll add a few things if I may.

First age is no deterent to shooting. Second, if you can shoot pistols, you can shoot rifles.

I'm not as good as I was, because I don't take it serious. Its not like I have to work at it to keep my coaching job and position on the rifle team like when I was shooting for the guard.

My problem is I'm lazy. My offhand isnt what it use to be cause I don't practice. But I can still shoot positions, prone or better yet setting. When I get out of shape, I just sling up (I don't shoot from rest or bipods). I get a good tight position and watch tv over the front sight. It don't take long to get back in shape.

Something you might try, (for shaky hands). When you shoot a pistol with two hands the support hand does 90+ percent of the griping. The shooting hand is somewhat relaxed. Too heavy of a grip by the shooting hand screws up the trigger control. Because of the tight grip you can't move the finger without disturbing sight alinement.

Same with the rifle. When you are shooting from a bipod or rest you tend to want to grip the gun with your shooting hand to pull it into your shoulder. Like the pistol, if you have a tight grip with your shooting hand, squeezing the trigger is going to disturb sight alinement.

Now if you was to get a good proper tight sling, (bone support instead of mussles}) you'll have to take your right hand and force the stock of the rifle into the pocket of your shoulder. Do this, and when you roll back to position and get your right or shooting elbow back on the mat, (assuming a good spot weld, where you brought the rifle to the head and not the other way around) you'll notice you can get a good sight picture, sight alinement without your hand ever gripping the pistol grip. Now you can take a slightly firm (as in handshake, not crushing) handle. The trigger finger will be independent of the hand and will squeeze the trigger without disturbing your aim.

Remember the sling and shoulder hold the rifle, not the shooting hand.

I know a lot of these youngin's will disagree, but most shoot from bipods, sandbags fore and aft, which normaly requires a firm grip on the pistol grip of the rifle or else it will jump out of the fox hole do to recoil.

A simple test to see if this works. Grab your salt and pepper shaker. Grip one as if it was the rifle, and try to move the other straight back with your trigger finger.

Try it with a good hard grip. Then try it with a more relaxed grip. You'll find with the relaxed grip you can move the other shaker in a straight line to the real. A heavy grip will cause the shaker to move to one side or other depending on how much finger you use.

Now set back and what the sparks fly cause everyone knows grumpy old bastards don't know what they are talking about (ask my kids).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I get a good tight position and watch tv over the front sight. It don't take long to get back in shape.</div></div>

I would have to be careful that ammo was not close at hand if I were watching CNN. Seriously, it's good to hear from other guys who grew up on B&W TV, rotary phones and Elvis on AM. I was starting to think this is strictly a young man's game. To this point I've been avoiding the sling (low cool factor), but I guess GrumpyOB's like us ain't cool anyway. Respectable and consistent groups are what I'm after. How about a recommendation on a specific sling that fits the bill?
Bob
 
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Don't force the shot. Relax, if the wobble isn't staying around the bullseye don't take the shot. I am sure with practice it will get better. I used to shoot archery competitively and you don't have any slings or sandbags. Some of that transfers to rifle shooting and especially long range. I consistently get smoked every week at benchrest by a couple of old timers such as yourself. It'll come.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mnshortdraw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I consistently get smoked every week at benchrest by a couple of old timers such as yourself. It'll come. </div></div>
Man, would that make me feel young again.
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Now if I could just get off those little blue pills .........
 
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Counterintuitively, even muscle tremors do not need to be an impediment to good shooting.

The key to a solution most likely lies in a combination of a good natural, relaxed position; and reliable additional support. Essentially, the things that make Bench Rest shooting sucessful are the things you can use to steady up your rifle. By reducing the role the body plays in supporting and triggering the rifle, the better the undesired effects of the body's behavior can be screened out of the process.

If you desire to compete, your condition should qualify as a handicap, and most match directors will likely permit you some leeway with your shooting procedure/equipment. Their approach is (or should be) to be inclusive, rather than exclusive, of handicapped shooters.

(Individuals who run public matches should be aware that handicapped shooters do exist, should be welcomed, and that it is beneficial to all inolved to make sufficient accomodation as to make them want to return.)

Some sort of Physicians statement confirming that the condition is real can be helpful.

Don't be reluctant to consult a Physician about this, because (shooting aside) such conditions can be treatable, and ignoring them when they are small is a good way to ensure they won't stay small.

While you need not feel constrained to emulate the conventional shooting approach; there's no reason why you shouldn't. Just don't condemn yourself to believing it's the only acceptable one. There's nothing wrong with admitting an impediment and assisting oneself with reasonable available augmentations.

I'm 65 and have significant joint and cardiopulmonary limitations. Honestly, I am physically unable to achieve my previously normal degree of achievement. But I don't let it discourage me, I simply strive for my best, whatever that turns out to be.

I don't compete with others, I compete with myself, and I can be a tough competitor for myself sometimes. When I really think about it, that's all I've ever actually been doing since the beginning anyway.

I still shoot F Class (although other commitments have kept me off the range recently until now). I employ a folded pad for some chest support, and sometimes need to have somebody help with getting the targets out and back.

Folks have been very understanding of these things, and I'm genuinely grateful for their help. It reflects rather more upon their better aspects than upon my limitations; and if I can provide them with an opportunity to feel the pleasure of doing a good deed for another, that pleases me too.

Greg