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Trail Boss Corrosive?

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Hi, I noticed rust in the inside of my action today and the last and only thing i shot was rounds using trailboss. Did/do you know that IMR Trail Boss is corrosive? I went on a google search and found this on my first look... http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=6150.0 Tell me what you think ok? Thanks.
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As you can tell I put a bunch of steel nails in each jar. I put a bunch of trail boss in the "burnt" one and torched it to simulate the inside of a barrel after a bunch of shots. Then I added 0.5mL of tap water to each jar. One is a control without the burnt powder and one with. I will post a photo about one week from now with the nails in a pile on a white sheet of printer paper for contrast and we'll see how corrosive IMR Trail Boss is. Thanks and stay tuned. [img:left]http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showpic&id=6906[/img] [img:right]http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showpic&id=6907[/img] Here you can see the difference in corrosion about one week later. The top set is taken directly out of the jar and you can tell that the nails with the trail boss looks a little more rusty but I wanted to make it more obvious and what I did was put the rest of the nails back in the jar and added water and "washed" them... basically I just shook the jars with nails and water in them. I drained the water and then poured the nails out on their respective paper and then you could really tell the difference in rust. I think this is conclusive enough for me. If anyone does a more scientific study please let me know. I just don't care to do anything more than I have. Thanks for staying tuned to those who did. Let me know what you think.
 
#2
Re: Trail Boss Corrosive?

I haven't noticed it but then again, I haven't really looked that hard. I run a bore snake after shooting regardless of the powder or bullets.

Where in your action was the rust?? do you have any corrosion resistant coatings on your rifle?
 
#3
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I found the rust along the walls of the bolt area and on the back of the bolt shaft near the knob. It was just a light rust but nonetheless it was there. I just hope that my bore wasn't effected. I shot one or two rounds and didn't clean it for a weak or so.
 
#4
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Not sure about corrosive. But what I have shot of it, I learned quickly the shit is filthy. But it worked great for it's purpose. I didn't leave it in the gun for long. I cleaned immediately after shooting mostly to check on how clean it shot.
 
#6
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I'm going to test it in a mason jar with some copper, brass, steel, etc. I'm going to hang the metal and burn the powder in it and wait to see what happens. I'll be back with somepictures in a week or so.
 
#7
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I have started using this powder for my subsonic 308 loads and I would like to see the results of your test, make sure and update us once you have some results.

CJG
 
#8
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i'm also looking forward to the test... when i read this my heart dropped knowing i've left my rifle dirty with Trailboss once or twice.

no rust or corrosion visible to the naked eye, i'll have to borrow my buddy's borescope to have a better look.
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: token5gtd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'm also looking forward to the test... when i read this my heart dropped knowing i've left my rifle dirty with Trailboss once or twice.

no rust or corrosion visible to the naked eye, i'll have to borrow my buddy's borescope to have a better look. </div></div>

A bit off topic but your avatar is remarkable.
 
#10
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After I noticed the rust in the first place I cleaned the entire rifle very well and the next day I did again. I thought I saw some pitting in the muzzle area but I ran the bore brush through a couple more times and it cleared up. Then redish orange rust in the action was undeniable though. I think I barely missed a disaster.
 
#11
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We will see, Im still a little skeptical, A lot of people use this powder and There isnt very much on the net about it being corrosive. to be really scientific you should have a control group and use like varget or some h110, something like that and try it on the nails in the same way and see how it compares.

CJG
 
#12
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I have fired several hundred rounds of Trail Boss subsonic loads through my Parker-Hale .308 and my 50bmg with no problem.The PH gets a boresnake after each session while the 50 has only had an occasional cursory cleaning,I have seen no evidence of corrosion.
 
#13
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OK you realy have a flawed test here. you get steel; and heat up some nails then place water in both containers and then wonder why things rust. If you want to do a real comparison the way you have tried to simulate then you would also have to heat the other nails because if you have ever heated steel then placed it in water where it is heated and the surface oxidation is burnt off the metal rusts quickly. so try the trail boss in one jat and some flamable liquid int he other make sure it is not oil based liquid or it will stop the corrosian then pour water in both and both lots will rust. I understand what you are trying to achieve but i think you would be better served cleaning your firearms after you finish shooting them if you dont have time squirt them down with CRC or WD40 just to place a protective coating on them until you get time. Also a lot of gun bags and cases absorb moisture and when shooting your hands sweet and the steel gets dried out and then any moisture that is around can attack the dry heated metal. so just lubricate and clean your firearms and that is wetyher it is with Trail Boss of Varget.

I hope have helped you out explaining what is happening as the metal dries and then moisture is added to unprotected metal.
 
#14
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It turns out all powder eventually will be corrosive if let to degrade. I spoke to Hogdgon because I had some old powder I bought a long time ago and was wondering if I can use, Hogdgon said if you see a red mist when pouring the powder into the powder drop, it indicates the powder is degrading. The red mist is actually corrosive, when loaded and left in the cartridge, the substance can weakin the brass as well as creating a weld on the bullet and brass connection (this can cause over pressure). If you still want to use this old powder, you can, as long as you plan on shooting it quickly, also keep in mind anything the mist touches, can be effected (this includes actions, bolts, barrels). You just have to clean very well. Hogdgon said oll powders will be in this condition eventually, the red mist is the beginning, the next stage is the grandules have a "rust" look to them. In my case, I did see the red mist, it's kinda oily as well. Ended up using it in the flower bed.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wild_Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK you realy have a flawed test here. you get steel; and heat up some nails then place water in both containers and then wonder why things rust. If you want to do a real comparison the way you have tried to simulate then you would also have to heat the other nails because if you have ever heated steel then placed it in water where it is heated and the surface oxidation is burnt off the metal rusts quickly. so try the trail boss in one jat and some flamable liquid int he other make sure it is not oil based liquid or it will stop the corrosian then pour water in both and both lots will rust. I understand what you are trying to achieve but i think you would be better served cleaning your firearms after you finish shooting them if you dont have time squirt them down with CRC or WD40 just to place a protective coating on them until you get time. Also a lot of gun bags and cases absorb moisture and when shooting your hands sweet and the steel gets dried out and then any moisture that is around can attack the dry heated metal. so just lubricate and clean your firearms and that is wetyher it is with Trail Boss of Varget.

I hope have helped you out explaining what is happening as the metal dries and then moisture is added to unprotected metal.

</div></div>
I absolutely agree 100% , flawed test , flawed information .
 
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