TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
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Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
I don't have a TRG 42 but I do have a TRG 22 in .308. It is an awesome rifle and I have no regrets getting it. As mentioned several times around here the trigger on the TRG's are fantastic. So I whole heartily recommend the Sako.
Of course I have not shot the other rifles you are looking at so my opinion is completely biased and somewhat uniformed as to how it compares to the others.
Brian
I don't have a TRG 42 but I do have a TRG 22 in .308. It is an awesome rifle and I have no regrets getting it. As mentioned several times around here the trigger on the TRG's are fantastic. So I whole heartily recommend the Sako.
Of course I have not shot the other rifles you are looking at so my opinion is completely biased and somewhat uniformed as to how it compares to the others.
Brian
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
Do yourself a favour.....fill in your profile and then search.
There is a massive amount on this site about these rifles if you look.
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Do yourself a favour.....fill in your profile and then search.
There is a massive amount on this site about these rifles if you look.
One of two things will happen with this post:
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Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
+1 Basraboy. An AIAW + glass will be pushing $9K. You can purchase a TRG + glass for less than the price of the AI alone. And it can still outshoot most people who put their hands on it. At least with the AI you can swap calibers, but its still very pricy. If you have that kind of cash though. . .
+1 Basraboy. An AIAW + glass will be pushing $9K. You can purchase a TRG + glass for less than the price of the AI alone. And it can still outshoot most people who put their hands on it. At least with the AI you can swap calibers, but its still very pricy. If you have that kind of cash though. . .
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
Don't know what a Tac 300 is...
I have an AI AW in 300WM and if I had it to do over again, I'd get the Sako. Not a damn thing wrong with the AW; I like it more every time I shoot it. However, some of my friends have the TRG's and I can honestly say that I like them just as much as the AI. They shoot just as good, feel just as good, weigh and cost less. A lot of people bitch about the cost of Sako accessories. But, with the cost savings on the Sako compared to the AI, you can outfit a TRG with all of the factory goodies and still be in it for less than the AI.
In my mind, the only area that the AI has the Sako beat is in popularity.
Don't know what a Tac 300 is...
I have an AI AW in 300WM and if I had it to do over again, I'd get the Sako. Not a damn thing wrong with the AW; I like it more every time I shoot it. However, some of my friends have the TRG's and I can honestly say that I like them just as much as the AI. They shoot just as good, feel just as good, weigh and cost less. A lot of people bitch about the cost of Sako accessories. But, with the cost savings on the Sako compared to the AI, you can outfit a TRG with all of the factory goodies and still be in it for less than the AI.
In my mind, the only area that the AI has the Sako beat is in popularity.
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do yourself a favour.....fill in your profile and then search.
There is a massive amount on this site about these rifles if you look.
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1) You will get flamed for posting without apparently doing either of the above.
2) Your thread will get ignored.
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Kind of expected some flaming
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do yourself a favour.....fill in your profile and then search.
There is a massive amount on this site about these rifles if you look.
One of two things will happen with this post:
1) You will get flamed for posting without apparently doing either of the above.
2) Your thread will get ignored.
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Kind of expected some flaming
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
I'm not flaming you....just giving you a heads-up on how it is round here.
If I wasn't away travelling I could post you the link to the enhanced SH search engine so you can do some digging.
On the AW - had mine for a long time (.308 though) so not really qualified to do a .300 comparison.
What I can say is it is hands down the best rifle I have ever bought (and that includes my GAP - both are very evenly matched on accuracy...at least in my hands as I don't profess to be skilled enough to push them to the extremes of their capabilities....others here can and do so may give you a different opinion).
It is built like a tank, will take more punishment than I can or would ever want to give it, and still keep on turning in sub .5 MOA accuracy (that is a comment on my abilities, not the rifle - I am sure it is capable of much better). The action works relaiably no matter what and I've never had any problems with it due to dirt or rain.
AW's are heavy rifles so depending on the configuration or intended use, be prepared. Range use....no problem. Hunting....maybe not ideal. Duty....that's what it was designed for.
You should get behind the AW stock to see if you like the ergonomics (some do, some don't). Many will praise the calibre change capabilities too - not a feature I use (or that may interest you?) but I don't know if either the McM or the TRG do this.
Don't rule out the AE either (if they do it in 300??) Or a custom build on the AICS.
LoneWolfUSMC has published a great review on the AE he has (look him up in the user list). IMO a lot of what he writes there holds true for the AW.
On the cost - again there are a lot of threads here about the comparative cost of the AW to the TRG - I don't think it is as clear cut as some would have you believe. If you include the AE in your evaluation, then the price is still further removed as an issue. There are some great deals to be had on the AW/AE these days in the UK (same in the US?) so don't get too hung up on this....and I'm guessing if you are looking at these rifles/calibre then price may not be your most important criteria
Others will mention perceived fragility of the TRG stock, the bipod mechanism, cost of accesories etc. etc. It really comes down to what you are looking for in the rifle. I don't know the McM at all, but both the AW and the TRG are highly respected and proven, accurate rifles. You can't go too far wrong with either of them.
But for me "buy once, cry once"! I know the AW and I'd be very happy to recommend it to you as a good, solid rifle that does what it does 100% reliably without any dramas, day in day out, rain or shine.
I shoot it from 100 out to 1000 and it's a keeper and even after a lot of years it is still a joy to shoot, never disappoints, keeps me honest and always encourages me to up my game.
Good luck with it whatever you do.
(jetlag....isn't it a wonderful thing? Hope this is not too much of a ramble...)
I'm not flaming you....just giving you a heads-up on how it is round here.
If I wasn't away travelling I could post you the link to the enhanced SH search engine so you can do some digging.
On the AW - had mine for a long time (.308 though) so not really qualified to do a .300 comparison.
What I can say is it is hands down the best rifle I have ever bought (and that includes my GAP - both are very evenly matched on accuracy...at least in my hands as I don't profess to be skilled enough to push them to the extremes of their capabilities....others here can and do so may give you a different opinion).
It is built like a tank, will take more punishment than I can or would ever want to give it, and still keep on turning in sub .5 MOA accuracy (that is a comment on my abilities, not the rifle - I am sure it is capable of much better). The action works relaiably no matter what and I've never had any problems with it due to dirt or rain.
AW's are heavy rifles so depending on the configuration or intended use, be prepared. Range use....no problem. Hunting....maybe not ideal. Duty....that's what it was designed for.
You should get behind the AW stock to see if you like the ergonomics (some do, some don't). Many will praise the calibre change capabilities too - not a feature I use (or that may interest you?) but I don't know if either the McM or the TRG do this.
Don't rule out the AE either (if they do it in 300??) Or a custom build on the AICS.
LoneWolfUSMC has published a great review on the AE he has (look him up in the user list). IMO a lot of what he writes there holds true for the AW.
On the cost - again there are a lot of threads here about the comparative cost of the AW to the TRG - I don't think it is as clear cut as some would have you believe. If you include the AE in your evaluation, then the price is still further removed as an issue. There are some great deals to be had on the AW/AE these days in the UK (same in the US?) so don't get too hung up on this....and I'm guessing if you are looking at these rifles/calibre then price may not be your most important criteria
Others will mention perceived fragility of the TRG stock, the bipod mechanism, cost of accesories etc. etc. It really comes down to what you are looking for in the rifle. I don't know the McM at all, but both the AW and the TRG are highly respected and proven, accurate rifles. You can't go too far wrong with either of them.
But for me "buy once, cry once"! I know the AW and I'd be very happy to recommend it to you as a good, solid rifle that does what it does 100% reliably without any dramas, day in day out, rain or shine.
I shoot it from 100 out to 1000 and it's a keeper and even after a lot of years it is still a joy to shoot, never disappoints, keeps me honest and always encourages me to up my game.
Good luck with it whatever you do.
(jetlag....isn't it a wonderful thing? Hope this is not too much of a ramble...)
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If I wasn't away travelling I could post you the link to the enhanced SH search engine so you can do some digging.
</div></div>
Here it is
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If I wasn't away travelling I could post you the link to the enhanced SH search engine so you can do some digging.
</div></div>
Here it is
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The TAC-300 is McMillan </div></div>
Yes and I've held a tac 300 and its a work of art. But expensive. They had a LR hunter at one of my local shops for $2400 used and I had to talk myself out of it. The action was beautiful.
+1 for the AE vs. AW. AW is great, yes. But the AE is a great rifle and is quite a bit cheaper. The deal eurooptic is offering on TRGs right now is pretty solid. They have the AIs there as well and are great guys to deal with.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The TAC-300 is McMillan </div></div>
Yes and I've held a tac 300 and its a work of art. But expensive. They had a LR hunter at one of my local shops for $2400 used and I had to talk myself out of it. The action was beautiful.
+1 for the AE vs. AW. AW is great, yes. But the AE is a great rifle and is quite a bit cheaper. The deal eurooptic is offering on TRGs right now is pretty solid. They have the AIs there as well and are great guys to deal with.
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The TAC-300 is McMillan </div></div>
Yes and I've held a tac 300 and its a work of art. But expensive. They had a LR hunter at one of my local shops for $2400 used and I had to talk myself out of it. The action was beautiful.
+1 for the AE vs. AW. AW is great, yes. But the AE is a great rifle and is quite a bit cheaper. The deal eurooptic is offering on TRGs right now is pretty solid. They have the AIs there as well and are great guys to deal with. </div></div>
yes i also looked at the AE before I ruled out the .308 win cartridge, I want something with a little more bang, but can still be used for practical uses other than shooting targets.
The main purpose of this rifle would be for competitive/recreational long range target shooting up to about 1000 yards, as a secondary factor i would also like the rifle to be usable in a hunting situation this is what ruled out the .338LM cartridge
(i would be hunting inside of 400yds, i am not a "long range hunter")
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The TAC-300 is McMillan </div></div>
Yes and I've held a tac 300 and its a work of art. But expensive. They had a LR hunter at one of my local shops for $2400 used and I had to talk myself out of it. The action was beautiful.
+1 for the AE vs. AW. AW is great, yes. But the AE is a great rifle and is quite a bit cheaper. The deal eurooptic is offering on TRGs right now is pretty solid. They have the AIs there as well and are great guys to deal with. </div></div>
yes i also looked at the AE before I ruled out the .308 win cartridge, I want something with a little more bang, but can still be used for practical uses other than shooting targets.
The main purpose of this rifle would be for competitive/recreational long range target shooting up to about 1000 yards, as a secondary factor i would also like the rifle to be usable in a hunting situation this is what ruled out the .338LM cartridge
(i would be hunting inside of 400yds, i am not a "long range hunter")
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....i would also like the rifle to be usable in a hunting situation this is what ruled out the .338LM cartridge
(i would be hunting inside of 400yds, i am not a "long range hunter")</div></div>
This thread may be worth a read:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...502#Post2281502
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....i would also like the rifle to be usable in a hunting situation this is what ruled out the .338LM cartridge
(i would be hunting inside of 400yds, i am not a "long range hunter")</div></div>
This thread may be worth a read:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...502#Post2281502
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....i would also like the rifle to be usable in a hunting situation this is what ruled out the .338LM cartridge
(i would be hunting inside of 400yds, i am not a "long range hunter")</div></div>
This thread may be worth a read:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...502#Post2281502 </div></div>
thanks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nsgallup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....i would also like the rifle to be usable in a hunting situation this is what ruled out the .338LM cartridge
(i would be hunting inside of 400yds, i am not a "long range hunter")</div></div>
This thread may be worth a read:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...502#Post2281502 </div></div>
thanks
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
Much as I hate to say it....IMHO, if you are looking at doing any kind of shooting off hand, kneeling, standing, snap or ant type of application that requires hiking/trekking....an AW or AICS is probably not going to be you're best bet.
I agree with the last post in the thread I just gave you....the McM ADJ HTG is a great all round stock (my GAP has one). I'm sure you could get a great build together on a really nice action for a multi role bolt action.
The GAP Base Custom rifle could be a good start?
Much as I hate to say it....IMHO, if you are looking at doing any kind of shooting off hand, kneeling, standing, snap or ant type of application that requires hiking/trekking....an AW or AICS is probably not going to be you're best bet.
I agree with the last post in the thread I just gave you....the McM ADJ HTG is a great all round stock (my GAP has one). I'm sure you could get a great build together on a really nice action for a multi role bolt action.
The GAP Base Custom rifle could be a good start?
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
Sako for me. I handled an AI and dont like the stock. never held a TRG but from the pics Ive seen, if i was going to buy it would be SAKO.
Sako for me. I handled an AI and dont like the stock. never held a TRG but from the pics Ive seen, if i was going to buy it would be SAKO.
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackhawk95</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I handled an AI and dont like the stock. never held a TRG but from the pics Ive seen, if i was going to buy it would be SAKO. </div></div>
That's I how I feel about the missus compared to Uma Thurmann!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackhawk95</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I handled an AI and dont like the stock. never held a TRG but from the pics Ive seen, if i was going to buy it would be SAKO. </div></div>
That's I how I feel about the missus compared to Uma Thurmann!
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Much as I hate to say it....IMHO, if you are looking at doing any kind of shooting off hand, kneeling, standing, snap or ant type of application that requires hiking/trekking....an AW or AICS is probably not going to be you're best bet.
I agree with the last post in the thread I just gave you....the McM ADJ HTG is a great all round stock (my GAP has one). I'm sure you could get a great build together on a really nice action for a multi role bolt action.
The GAP Base Custom rifle could be a good start? </div></div>
i haven't found any retailers that sell GA precision rifles in canada
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Much as I hate to say it....IMHO, if you are looking at doing any kind of shooting off hand, kneeling, standing, snap or ant type of application that requires hiking/trekking....an AW or AICS is probably not going to be you're best bet.
I agree with the last post in the thread I just gave you....the McM ADJ HTG is a great all round stock (my GAP has one). I'm sure you could get a great build together on a really nice action for a multi role bolt action.
The GAP Base Custom rifle could be a good start? </div></div>
i haven't found any retailers that sell GA precision rifles in canada
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
There aren't any in the UK either so I did a personal import.
Must be a bit easier for you to do this in Canada?
Or you could ask McM if they could change out the stock on the TAC-300 - like the AW, it looks a big, long, heavy beast for a short to medium range hunting rifle......
There aren't any in the UK either so I did a personal import.
Must be a bit easier for you to do this in Canada?
Or you could ask McM if they could change out the stock on the TAC-300 - like the AW, it looks a big, long, heavy beast for a short to medium range hunting rifle......
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
Unless you are dead set on a factory rifle, I'd also be giving GAP a call and investigating a personal import if this is practical.
It looks like you are prepared to spend money on this purchase, and if you have clear specs in mind it can't hurt to look at all the options.
A custom build may give you exactly what you need.
Unless you are dead set on a factory rifle, I'd also be giving GAP a call and investigating a personal import if this is practical.
It looks like you are prepared to spend money on this purchase, and if you have clear specs in mind it can't hurt to look at all the options.
A custom build may give you exactly what you need.
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
oops, double post, stupid internet sucks
I do want a factory rifle because their are less things to deal with, I also don't really feel like messing around with canadian custums/firearms registry and other BS of the same type, therefore i have selected the three rifles in the topic, thankyou for the input so far,
I think Accuracy international is out of the picture, at least for the next 8-10 years, the majority of sources i have come across has them as having a bit better specs then the McM or the Sako but they are just so expensive for not that much gain, especially since i will not be able to completly take advantage of it's superiority
it's down to the Sako and the McMillan
oops, double post, stupid internet sucks
I do want a factory rifle because their are less things to deal with, I also don't really feel like messing around with canadian custums/firearms registry and other BS of the same type, therefore i have selected the three rifles in the topic, thankyou for the input so far,
I think Accuracy international is out of the picture, at least for the next 8-10 years, the majority of sources i have come across has them as having a bit better specs then the McM or the Sako but they are just so expensive for not that much gain, especially since i will not be able to completly take advantage of it's superiority
it's down to the Sako and the McMillan
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
Understood - getting my GAP out of the US took a long time - almost as long as the build took!
Good luck with the purchase.
Understood - getting my GAP out of the US took a long time - almost as long as the build took!
Good luck with the purchase.
Re: TRG-42 vs AI AW vs TAC-300
I have a TRG and an AW. I don't have any experience with the McM. Price aside, I choose the AW. It is the rifle I grab more often than all others together, and the one I most miss when I'm not shooting it. That being said, the Sako is the better value money wise, and leave very little on the table.
I have a TRG and an AW. I don't have any experience with the McM. Price aside, I choose the AW. It is the rifle I grab more often than all others together, and the one I most miss when I'm not shooting it. That being said, the Sako is the better value money wise, and leave very little on the table.
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