Trump and national emergency powers

[scharfschutze762]

Question for some of you more politically savvy gents.

IS the National emergency powers that Trump is threatening congress with the same thing as what Truman did in 1952 with the Defense production act to protect national security and enact the National production act? Or is this some part of the Patriot act?

 

[Doc68]

Tagged for interest.

 

[ArmyJerry]

what do you mean by threaten, he can lock up congressmen and suspend habius corpus if he so declares, its not a threat, its a simple declaration.

Declaring a national emergency at the border can be done easily as declaring a hurricane emergency, he completely controls and is responsible to defend our borders no matter what. George Bush, Obama, Reagan , Clinton all neglected their Constitutional duty, Trump is not.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I think that two more years from now, after re-election, is the time to find out; after they've played out the impeach but can't convict pantomime.

IMHO, bring the impeachment ASAP. Make those bindlestiffs put their money where their mouths are. Let them use up all their hold cards, then retaliate, big time. Nobody could blame him then. They are toothless hounds. Time to lock horns now; leave them with nothing left to trash talk about come 2020.

I'd dearly love to see Chuck and Nancy discovering that Orange is the new Black.

I hear the Leavenworth Death Row Treason Limited shade is especially fetching; possibly still visible out to 2 Miles. Firing squad, but let them run.

Greg

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Short answer - yes, he has the legal authority.

Longer answer - b/c the public is largely ignorant, b/c the media lies, it will be litigated and make Bret K's confirmation hearings look mundane.

Something that is being discussed (elsewhere) is part of all of this is related to USAID / Foreign Aid / Red Cross / the budget / (lack of) oversight. Consider it is all a scam, to the tune of trillions. Consider Soros is not paying 'the brown shirts' (that Obama said he would create) with his money - but your money.

 

[ArmyJerry]

bingo, this is the crux

Short answer - yes, he has the legal authority.

Longer answer - b/c the public is largely ignorant, b/c the media lies, it will be litigated and make Bret K's confirmation hearings look mundane.

Something that is being discussed (elsewhere) is part of all of this is related to USAID / Foreign Aid / Red Cross / the budget / (lack of) oversight. Consider it is all a scam, to the tune of trillions. Consider Soros is not paying 'the brown shirts' (that Obama said he would create) with his money - but your money.

 

[308pirate]

He should declare it tomorrow morning, federalize the National Guard of every border state, militarize the entire border, order the Corps of Engineers to begin construction immediately, and arrest on charges of sedition anyone who files suit or tries to disrupt the effort in any way.

Let's get this shit on and go all the way to 11.

 

[308pirate]

[QUOTE="Mike_Honcho, post: 7444269, member: 12791]

Something that is being discussed (elsewhere) is part of all of this is related to USAID / Foreign Aid / Red Cross / the budget / (lack of) oversight. Consider it is all a scam, to the tune of trillions. Consider Soros is not paying 'the brown shirts' (that Obama said he would create) with his money - but your money.[/QUOTE]

LOL you and you tinfoil hat.....

 

[ArmyJerry]

No corps of engineers, they are corrupt contract managers who funnel money to the parties, have all Army Combat Engineers ,and Navy Ce-bees build that thing, they could have it done in a few months. plus a mine field on both sides of it.

 

[308pirate]

bingo, this is the crux

No corps of engineers, they are corrupt contract managers who funnel money to the parties, have all Army Combat Engineers ,and Navy Ce-bees build that thing, they could have it done in a few months. plus a mine field on both sides of it.

That's what I meant. Plus the Air Force red horse civil engineering squadrons.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Fuck the AF, they dont like getting their shit dusty.

 

[scharfschutze762]

Thanks for the insight. I hope he does this

 

[Mike_Honcho]

[QUOTE="Mike_Honcho, post: 7444269, member: 12791]

LOL you and you tinfoil hat.....

I am sure you have taken 30 seconds to google something as generic as Open Societies Receives Tax Payer Money.

I am sure you recall that Occupy Wall Street / Black Lives Matter / By Any Means Necessary / etc ad nauseam are OS off shoots.

I am sure you have spent a lot of time reading about USAID - haven't you?

 

[powdahound76]

Honcho

I detected some level of facetious humor in 308’s post.

Perhaps I am missing something...... i am a neanderthal after all

 

[308pirate]

I am sure you have taken 30 seconds to google something as generic as Open Societies Receives Tax Payer Money.

I am sure you recall that Occupy Wall Street / Black Lives Matter / By Any Means Necessary / etc ad nauseam are OS off shoots.

I am sure you have spent a lot of time reading about USAID - haven't you?

Let me know when you're going to DC to lobby against it

 

[Nik H]

He should declare it tomorrow morning, federalize the National Guard of every border state, militarize the entire border, order the Corps of Engineers to begin construction immediately, and arrest on charges of sedition anyone who files suit or tries to disrupt the effort in any way.

Let's get this shit on and go all the way to 11.

Starting with Moonbeam in CA. Drag his fucking ass to jail and put his cell within eyesight of a gallows. I am here in LA this week. Will gladly take a PTO day or two to get the rope ready and ensure that the drop is done correctly. Want to see him dance for a bit

 

[Mike Casselton]

Fuck the AF, they dont like getting their shit dusty.

Actually Jerry,
I don't mind if my shit gets dusty. It's the sand in my undies that chafes me...

 

[ArmyJerry]

ya see they even get issued undies ferkrissakes

Actually Jerry,
I don't mind if my shit gets dusty. It's the sand in my undies that chafes me...

 

[Early Cuyler]

Unilateral action without review/consent/input/oversight being required from others is a dangerous, slippery slope. While it may feel good now for Trump to unilaterally do away with regulation "X", redefine an agency term "Y", etc. keep in mind eventually Democrats will be in the WH at some point in the future. If we allow a state of emergency to be declared and funds to be redirected to whatever the POTUS wants, we may not like or be able to stop what a future Democrat POTUS declares to be an emergency (crime, poverty, mass shootings, gun control/confiscation) and how they redistribute funds.

 

[ArmyJerry]

You mean like a DACA executive order?

Unlike that abomination , its completely in the presidents purview to order the borders sealed, he can ignore judges also, they have no standing on national security when it comes to borders or foreigners, and since Obama not even Americans overseas.

 

[Early Cuyler]

Exactly like DACA. That shouldn't have ever happened (really can't believe ANY POTUS would say "yeah... I don't like this law so don't enforce it."). But as much of a bullshit-thin-reasoning limb Obama went on to effectively eliminate enforcement of a law, that doesn't justify doing it again.

 

[Rthur]

Exactly like DACA. That shouldn't have ever happened (really can't believe ANY POTUS would say "yeah... I don't like this law so don't enforce it."). But as much of a bullshit-thin-reasoning limb Obama went on to effectively eliminate enforcement of a law, that doesn't justify doing it again.

A false chain of reasoning.
They are going to break, bend and generally walk all over the constitution every chance they get.
Immigration and "sanctuary" cities are just a couple of examples.


R

 

[ArmyJerry]

Its done, its not like you can say killing justice again when its already dead. the Law is dead, prepare for vigilantism, RWOL

Nothing has been done to reverse the illegality, violation of the law is still happening and the Government is the violator.

But that is internal. When it comes to national security, no matter what teh courts or congress say Trump is charged with protecting the country from all enemies of the Constitution, foreign or domestic. If people dont like him doing his job they need to take up arms, if they feel so convicted.

 

[Early Cuyler]

Rthur, I may be misreading your post, but are you saying since Democrats break, bend, walk over the Constitution, it justifies Republicans to do the same?

 

[ArmyJerry]

I think he is saying they both do and I agree, a culling needs to happen.

 

[Rthur]

Rthur, I may be misreading your post, but are you saying since Democrats break, bend, walk over the Constitution, it justifies Republicans to do the same?

They already have.
As long as you are thinking in terms of red team, blue team you'll get more of the same.
Ask yourself this question, Why didn't the Republicans put "their constituents" policies into law when they had the house the senate and the oval office and repeal ACA/Obazocare?
How about an audit of the Fed?
Why doesn't the Fed pay taxes?
Just a few highlights of the level of bullshit brought to you by team Red and Blue.

R