Trump wants Bagram back.
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I could see Trump making that deal but I could also see the next Dem President/Congress fucking it up somehow. Or Afghan terrorists going bananas and attacking it. The Taliban government is probably more solid and functional than the previous group of goat herders was though so there's that.
Thank you genius. If we have a problem between Taiwan and China, I think it would be more useful to bomb China rather than Taiwan.
Yes, because it is. The point is to project power INTO China if a conflict with Taiwan erupts, not project power to Taiwan.
Does anybody intelligent think that if the USA actually starts bombing mainland China from a base in Afghanistan (or anywhere else) the Chinese won't nuke it?
Folks have been too used to beating up on near helpless sand people or playing limited proxy wars to understand what an existential peer war would look like.
How do you think we'd respond if the Chinese were launching bombers and air attacks over the USA from Mexico or Venezuela and we didn't have the ability to stop it quickly via conventional weapons? We'd nuke the stuffing out of their bases of course.
All the Jingoists seem to be begging for a war with China or Russia or whatever, thinking it's going to be yet another glorious imperial war so that the American Empire can shine brightly in the sun and they can all have fun racking up the body counts.
The Chinese (and the Russians) aren't the same sand people we are used to bullying around for fun & profit.
The Romans, the Brits and a few others did what we have been doing for the last 90 years.
40 trillion dollars in debt says that we'll follow in the same footsteps as those others.
Why do we need to express strength across the globe?
40 trillion dollars in debt says that we'll follow in the same footsteps as those others.
Why do we need to express strength across the globe?
Because as always, it makes huge profits and huge amounts of money for a very small Elite group and also it gives a very small Elite Group power.
Then of course it enriches and empowers henchmen and collaborators and other several rungs down.
All paid for by the blood and sweat, death and taxes levied on the common working folks who are seen as little more than sheep and resources by the rulers.
But the generational propaganda of Jingoism and the worship of war and the worship of uniforms and the worship of Just following orders is incredibly effective so the Sheep will repeat the cycle over and over.
Because radical Islam and Communism (e.g. CCP) do not have self-imposed bounds. These ideologies have the ipso facto goal to expand, conquer and rule all (similar to a cancer cell). In other words, they never feel the need to ask the question "Why do we need to express strength across the globe?"
In this case, like many others, it is not either or but all of the above. We also need bases close to the potential theater for tactical, attritable systems like drones.
Our projection of strength has done nothing but weaken the people to resist on their own.
This. Bombing mainland China is a warmonger’s wet dream. Let’s be honest, the GWOT was a joke as far as long term effectiveness. Now do Ukraine… Let’s bomb Moscow??? WTF are people smoking?
I'm bored, so I'll throw in some thoughts..
Pros: IF we are talking negotiated basing rights mainly for exporting negotiated rare earth extraction/export, and normalized relations (BIG IF, and I'll get to all that), then it COULD make some sense.
Cons: Fat fucking chance of that with the catastrophic fuck up of the last 20+ years of neo-empirialist dumbassery. And if I were an Afghan, I'd say no way in hell would I let the CIA have such an easy cover op. They fuck up damn near everything they touch. Add to that, then you've got to get to/from Astan, which means circle jerking the Pakis again, cause after just bombing them, no way you're using Iranian airspace. So, right back into the shit soup. Maybe in a generation or two, we could have trade relations, a la the situation with Vietnam now, but the scabs are still way too fresh. And as a military occupation? Forget about it.
I spent my entire military career boring holes in the sky over that place watching stupid smart people repeatedly dick punch themselves (at the expense of service members) trying to shove their favorite square peg into the triangle hole, saying "it'll work this time, cause, reasons..". It's way past time to to shit-can the too smart by half dipshits that want to follow the British empire playbook and get actual logical people making sane decisions.
Pros: IF we are talking negotiated basing rights mainly for exporting negotiated rare earth extraction/export, and normalized relations (BIG IF, and I'll get to all that), then it COULD make some sense.
Cons: Fat fucking chance of that with the catastrophic fuck up of the last 20+ years of neo-empirialist dumbassery. And if I were an Afghan, I'd say no way in hell would I let the CIA have such an easy cover op. They fuck up damn near everything they touch. Add to that, then you've got to get to/from Astan, which means circle jerking the Pakis again, cause after just bombing them, no way you're using Iranian airspace. So, right back into the shit soup. Maybe in a generation or two, we could have trade relations, a la the situation with Vietnam now, but the scabs are still way too fresh. And as a military occupation? Forget about it.
I spent my entire military career boring holes in the sky over that place watching stupid smart people repeatedly dick punch themselves (at the expense of service members) trying to shove their favorite square peg into the triangle hole, saying "it'll work this time, cause, reasons..". It's way past time to to shit-can the too smart by half dipshits that want to follow the British empire playbook and get actual logical people making sane decisions.
Id say let's do some practice runs bombing Bagram, destroying equipment biden left for TB.. what are TB going to do? Write a angry letter? Fk em.
After 20 years trying to do whatever positive we wanted to do there i no longer have sympathy for anyone left there.
At the same point bagram ain't worth a further penny of taxpayer monies.
Whatever $$$$$$$ you're going to drop in terms of warheads on foreheads let's invest into anti left programs here.
Fysa, If that country ever became "stable" id go back as a tourist as it was one of the most beautiful places I've been to.
After 20 years trying to do whatever positive we wanted to do there i no longer have sympathy for anyone left there.
At the same point bagram ain't worth a further penny of taxpayer monies.
Whatever $$$$$$$ you're going to drop in terms of warheads on foreheads let's invest into anti left programs here.
Fysa, If that country ever became "stable" id go back as a tourist as it was one of the most beautiful places I've been to.
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