Alright all, I'd like to first thanks you for your help in advance. I know this stuff gets hashed out all the time, but I'm trying to make a final decision. I've been talking to Scott over at Silenced America about picking up a SND-6. Thing is, I'm not convinced if it will fit my needs quite right. I'm looking for a 7.62 suppressor that will run on 2 hosts. First is a 20in REPR (LWRC not DPMS) and second is a PWS MK116. I'm not concerned with zero shift (as long as it is repeatable) but would like the best accuracy possible out of both systems with the REPR being most important. From my reading, direct thread generally yields the best accuracy, but since I'll be using this one suppressor on 2 hosts, QD seems to be the best option. Thus far I've narrowed down to either the SND-6 or the 7.62SD. What say the hive? I'm open to any ideas or opinions on this.
Suppressors Trying to decide on a suppressor
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Re: Trying to decide on a suppressor
I love my QD Phantom but I didn't choose QD because I felt the need to switch back and forth QUICKLY. I chose QD because my OAL weapon length WITH it attached is to long for any case and I knew I would need to switch back and forth OFTEN. I hunt with mine and so I need to take it off and put it back on every time I leave the house, every time I get in or out of the pickup and every time I put it in or take it out of my drag bag.
Unless you're planning to take BOTH to the field or BOTH to the range and shoot back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...rather than 10-20-100 with Host A and then 10-20-100 with Host B, QD shouldn't be necessary for you.
I would suggest direct threads
I love my QD Phantom but I didn't choose QD because I felt the need to switch back and forth QUICKLY. I chose QD because my OAL weapon length WITH it attached is to long for any case and I knew I would need to switch back and forth OFTEN. I hunt with mine and so I need to take it off and put it back on every time I leave the house, every time I get in or out of the pickup and every time I put it in or take it out of my drag bag.
Unless you're planning to take BOTH to the field or BOTH to the range and shoot back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...rather than 10-20-100 with Host A and then 10-20-100 with Host B, QD shouldn't be necessary for you.
I would suggest direct threads
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If you are planning on switching the suppressor while it's hot I feel like I can swap thread on cans just as quick as QD. I'd look at the Thunderbeast 30P1.
If you are planning on switching the suppressor while it's hot I feel like I can swap thread on cans just as quick as QD. I'd look at the Thunderbeast 30P1.
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I think you're most likely to have the best accuracy with a thread mounted suppressor without baffle aperture features for turbulence generation.
To that end, the TBAC suppressor should be most accurate.
They do make a brake attached version as well and that is thread attached for accuracy.
The SDN-6's strong points are light weight, and short addition to overall length. As far as I know it has baffle aperture turbulence generating features (as do most centerfire suppressors).
I think you're most likely to have the best accuracy with a thread mounted suppressor without baffle aperture features for turbulence generation.
To that end, the TBAC suppressor should be most accurate.
They do make a brake attached version as well and that is thread attached for accuracy.
The SDN-6's strong points are light weight, and short addition to overall length. As far as I know it has baffle aperture turbulence generating features (as do most centerfire suppressors).
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Wow, I didn't expect so many replies so soon! Thanks to everyone for all the input! I just got done looking that the TBAC website and that BA style seems pretty nice. I just wonder if its length will make the 5.56 a little much. Perhaps, perhaps not. On a side note, how durable are the TBAC suppressors? I like the idea of lightweight titanium, but durability > weight in my book. That being said, I'm not planning on using it as a hammer, but my gear tends to get beat on. Griffin, I'm familiar with BASIC suppressor design, but somewhat unfamiliar with the turbulence issues. I would LOVE to learn more on that though.
Wow, I didn't expect so many replies so soon! Thanks to everyone for all the input! I just got done looking that the TBAC website and that BA style seems pretty nice. I just wonder if its length will make the 5.56 a little much. Perhaps, perhaps not. On a side note, how durable are the TBAC suppressors? I like the idea of lightweight titanium, but durability > weight in my book. That being said, I'm not planning on using it as a hammer, but my gear tends to get beat on. Griffin, I'm familiar with BASIC suppressor design, but somewhat unfamiliar with the turbulence issues. I would LOVE to learn more on that though.
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I've got the sd version. Run it in a 16.5 inch rem 700. Accuracy did not change if anything it got better. Shift was so little down I did not even adjust. So far I could not be happier. I also run it on a m&p 15 223. Hope this helps.
I've got the sd version. Run it in a 16.5 inch rem 700. Accuracy did not change if anything it got better. Shift was so little down I did not even adjust. So far I could not be happier. I also run it on a m&p 15 223. Hope this helps.
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The advantage of the sdn-6 over the sdn is the fact that it is all inconel. I run the sdn-6 on a Remington aac-sd 308 and love it. I like the QD feature because the muzzle break is bad ass! I have numerous cans some QD some direct thread. I have shot the sdn-6 on a few of my ar's (sbr's included) and it runs great. I don't worry about that to much because I have a couple of 223 cans for that use. Either way you can't go wrong. It is an addiction! Buy and enjoy.
The advantage of the sdn-6 over the sdn is the fact that it is all inconel. I run the sdn-6 on a Remington aac-sd 308 and love it. I like the QD feature because the muzzle break is bad ass! I have numerous cans some QD some direct thread. I have shot the sdn-6 on a few of my ar's (sbr's included) and it runs great. I don't worry about that to much because I have a couple of 223 cans for that use. Either way you can't go wrong. It is an addiction! Buy and enjoy.
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Many suppressors have shear cut baffles- the KAC suppressors, AAC suppressors, and Gemtech suppressors as well as others use Shear cut baffles.
That is the top of the face pertaining to the aperture of the baffle is 50% cut to a different height. That creates an angular jet of gas that increases dwell time in the suppressor.
A suppressor is a little like a muzzle brake- Ie the bullet that flies through a flat baffle with a concentric hole is going to fly most accurately.
The suppressor unlike the muzzle brake is operating with baffles much further from the muzzle so the effect of these surfaces is diminished in comparison with their effect in a muzzle brake, however the rules still generally apply. The flat aperture is more conducive to accuracy.
At that point you're really splitting hairs, but you're asking which system should be more accurate and that is the best answer I can give you.
The M110 suppressor is shear cut. The M110 isn't a 1/4MOA gun so no one notices any impact of that.
Surefire suppressors as another example, are not shear cut, and are used pretty extensively on Sniper weapons in the marine corps that mount these devices, and according to a Surefire rep, the MK13 in SOCOM inventory also went to the Surefire suppressor.
Many suppressors have shear cut baffles- the KAC suppressors, AAC suppressors, and Gemtech suppressors as well as others use Shear cut baffles.
That is the top of the face pertaining to the aperture of the baffle is 50% cut to a different height. That creates an angular jet of gas that increases dwell time in the suppressor.
A suppressor is a little like a muzzle brake- Ie the bullet that flies through a flat baffle with a concentric hole is going to fly most accurately.
The suppressor unlike the muzzle brake is operating with baffles much further from the muzzle so the effect of these surfaces is diminished in comparison with their effect in a muzzle brake, however the rules still generally apply. The flat aperture is more conducive to accuracy.
At that point you're really splitting hairs, but you're asking which system should be more accurate and that is the best answer I can give you.
The M110 suppressor is shear cut. The M110 isn't a 1/4MOA gun so no one notices any impact of that.
Surefire suppressors as another example, are not shear cut, and are used pretty extensively on Sniper weapons in the marine corps that mount these devices, and according to a Surefire rep, the MK13 in SOCOM inventory also went to the Surefire suppressor.
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I think that everyone gets wrapped up about a QD/FA attachment device being only used for superfly fast connections between two or more hosts while you are shooting. The intent of the designs were not to change the cans from one host to another on the fly. The mounts are designed to have a secure way to mount a can (i.e. the can does not come loose during rapid firing), have it index in the same place every time, and not have to worry about protecting threads that can get F'd in a stringent environment. Shit happens and thread protectors get lost (a lot) and threads are sensitive to the elements. If you bang your rifle around and unbeknownst to you, lose the protector, well, then you’re up a creek.
We have a hog problem in Texas. I get out on the 4 wheeler and hunt. I am in rough country and my gear takes a freaking beating. Most of the time I ride w/o a can attached so it won’t get jacked up. If I come into a group of hogs, I will attach the can (time given) and go. It takes all of 2 seconds. For what I do most, FA/QD works for me. I don’t have a rifle set up to quickly take a hot ass can off and put it on another rig. Nothing is that serious as far a time is concerned.
That said, I am building a precision rig and I will have a TBAC can on it. It will not be used for hunting or surviving tough elements.
The big question is, what do you plan on doing the most with your setup? If it precision work, the direct thread on may be your best bet. I will tell you, from my experience (and I am not a gifted distance shooter), I have not seen groups open up, I have seen them tighten. I have not seen huge POI shift; POI shift is there, but it isn't anything that I have been concerned about. Generally I will zero w/o a can. I will put the can on and note POI shift. Since I most always shoot with a can, I adjust for the POI shift. I just like to take note of the shift.
Admittedly, I am not the foremost expert on precision shooting, nor am I on suppressors. I learn a lot from the folks here too. I base my knowledge on my experience. There are more experienced folks on here than I, and I listen to what they have to say.
I think that everyone gets wrapped up about a QD/FA attachment device being only used for superfly fast connections between two or more hosts while you are shooting. The intent of the designs were not to change the cans from one host to another on the fly. The mounts are designed to have a secure way to mount a can (i.e. the can does not come loose during rapid firing), have it index in the same place every time, and not have to worry about protecting threads that can get F'd in a stringent environment. Shit happens and thread protectors get lost (a lot) and threads are sensitive to the elements. If you bang your rifle around and unbeknownst to you, lose the protector, well, then you’re up a creek.
We have a hog problem in Texas. I get out on the 4 wheeler and hunt. I am in rough country and my gear takes a freaking beating. Most of the time I ride w/o a can attached so it won’t get jacked up. If I come into a group of hogs, I will attach the can (time given) and go. It takes all of 2 seconds. For what I do most, FA/QD works for me. I don’t have a rifle set up to quickly take a hot ass can off and put it on another rig. Nothing is that serious as far a time is concerned.
That said, I am building a precision rig and I will have a TBAC can on it. It will not be used for hunting or surviving tough elements.
The big question is, what do you plan on doing the most with your setup? If it precision work, the direct thread on may be your best bet. I will tell you, from my experience (and I am not a gifted distance shooter), I have not seen groups open up, I have seen them tighten. I have not seen huge POI shift; POI shift is there, but it isn't anything that I have been concerned about. Generally I will zero w/o a can. I will put the can on and note POI shift. Since I most always shoot with a can, I adjust for the POI shift. I just like to take note of the shift.
Admittedly, I am not the foremost expert on precision shooting, nor am I on suppressors. I learn a lot from the folks here too. I base my knowledge on my experience. There are more experienced folks on here than I, and I listen to what they have to say.
Re: Trying to decide on a suppressor
What I tell people when they are having a hard time deciding on suppressors is pick what is important to YOU.
For multigun use, the SDN6/762SD is probably the best all around general use suppressor on the market. You can get adapters to fit most threads out there. I have run them on anything from precision rifles to machine guns.
What I tell people when they are having a hard time deciding on suppressors is pick what is important to YOU.
For multigun use, the SDN6/762SD is probably the best all around general use suppressor on the market. You can get adapters to fit most threads out there. I have run them on anything from precision rifles to machine guns.
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i just made this same decision, i ended up getting a couple, i bought an essence from liberty for a rimfire and a TBAC 30p-1 for 30 cal and 6.5.
i just made this same decision, i ended up getting a couple, i bought an essence from liberty for a rimfire and a TBAC 30p-1 for 30 cal and 6.5.
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Griffin- Thanks for all the info. I love learning about all this stuff. Is it possible to pre-order with a brake instead of the flash hider?
S.A.- I definitely appreciate all your input on this stuff. This is pretty much a lifetime decision and having valid input is a huge bonus.
Everyone- Thanks. Seriously, all the input reminds me why I lurk here so much. Always something to learn.
The TBAC BA cans seem like a nice setup. I may have to take a trip to see those guys one of these days. There's so many good options out there these days that I wondering if I may be over-thinking this. Either way, back to googling specs! Also, has anyone done a side-by-side with a good QD versus the same brand screw-on? (like a 7.62SD vs. Cyclone?)
Griffin- Thanks for all the info. I love learning about all this stuff. Is it possible to pre-order with a brake instead of the flash hider?
S.A.- I definitely appreciate all your input on this stuff. This is pretty much a lifetime decision and having valid input is a huge bonus.
Everyone- Thanks. Seriously, all the input reminds me why I lurk here so much. Always something to learn.
The TBAC BA cans seem like a nice setup. I may have to take a trip to see those guys one of these days. There's so many good options out there these days that I wondering if I may be over-thinking this. Either way, back to googling specs! Also, has anyone done a side-by-side with a good QD versus the same brand screw-on? (like a 7.62SD vs. Cyclone?)
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Also, I would REALLY like to see (and hopefully hear) some of these cans in person. I have a dealer in town, but very limited stock and no demo cans. Anyone know of a good dealer with demo cans in either ND/SD/MT/CO/WY?
Also, I would REALLY like to see (and hopefully hear) some of these cans in person. I have a dealer in town, but very limited stock and no demo cans. Anyone know of a good dealer with demo cans in either ND/SD/MT/CO/WY?
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Brandon Maddox (ffl123.com) has a ND store now and has a ton of cans. Hit him up and make a trip over on a Saturday.
Brandon Maddox (ffl123.com) has a ND store now and has a ton of cans. Hit him up and make a trip over on a Saturday.
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If you are willing to come to CO, we will be glad to show you the SAS line up we have plenty of demo's. Just lmk if we can be of assistance.
If you are willing to come to CO, we will be glad to show you the SAS line up we have plenty of demo's. Just lmk if we can be of assistance.
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I believe the lighter the can the better, less point of impact shift
I believe the lighter the can the better, less point of impact shift
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: db_17_85</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Griffin- Thanks for all the info. I love learning about all this stuff. Is it possible to pre-order with a brake instead of the flash hider?
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We have brake mounts in production and they are interchangeable and will be available.
My intention wasn't to compete with Silenced America. Just to suggest there are distinct differences between the titanium TBAC and AAC SDN-6. Both are quality products. What is best is for you to decide.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: db_17_85</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Griffin- Thanks for all the info. I love learning about all this stuff. Is it possible to pre-order with a brake instead of the flash hider?
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We have brake mounts in production and they are interchangeable and will be available.
My intention wasn't to compete with Silenced America. Just to suggest there are distinct differences between the titanium TBAC and AAC SDN-6. Both are quality products. What is best is for you to decide.
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Griffin- Understood. I was actually hoping Scott would carry your product. lol
Scott- I went to that ffl123.com site and I'm not finding where I can search for dealers who have used their service. Have a link or physical address?
Griffin- Understood. I was actually hoping Scott would carry your product. lol
Scott- I went to that ffl123.com site and I'm not finding where I can search for dealers who have used their service. Have a link or physical address?
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Shoot me an email. Put "Brandon Maddox info" in the subject line. I will give you a number. I am away from my phone right now and don't want to post his # for the world to see...I don't know if he would appreciate that or not.
Shoot me an email. Put "Brandon Maddox info" in the subject line. I will give you a number. I am away from my phone right now and don't want to post his # for the world to see...I don't know if he would appreciate that or not.
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I run a AAC cans on my REPR. All the cans I've run on it shift the POI 3" low 3.5" left. It's very repeatable and actually shrinks my group size
I run a AAC cans on my REPR. All the cans I've run on it shift the POI 3" low 3.5" left. It's very repeatable and actually shrinks my group size
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