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Trying to get it back

Phylodog

Hidin since '06
Minuteman
Aug 9, 2006
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Arcadia, IN
I've been back in the gym for about two months now after a year and a half of being off. I had a torn bicep tendon repaired back in Aug 09 which threw me off big time. The day before the surgery I set a new personal best bench at 315lbs for two reps (I'm no monster).

I started back up about two months ago and I'm starting to get some of my strength back slowly. I think I may have hit the point in my life where things don't work like they used to (I'm 38) though because I'm don't seem to be burning much fat. I've dramatically altered my diet to reduce sugar and fat and I'm taking in protein shakes a couple a day and trying to eat plenty of beef and chicken as well as vegetables. Used to be after about two weeks in the gym the fat would start melting off, not so this time. I'm currently lifting for about an hour then playing raquet ball for another hour five or six days a week. I feel much better and look a little better but the fat isn't coming off like it used to.

At the recommendation of a friend I'm taking ES3, Hard and Kre-alkalyn pre workout and they seem to have helped in the motivation department. I'd like to find something else and I've read several people talking about taking Jacked. I have to stay away from stimulants due to an atrial fibrillation issue so ephedrine excess caffeine or the like are off limits for me unfortunately.

Does anyone know of anything on the market that may help provide a little kick without triggering my A-fib? Might be a pipe dream but I thought I'd ask. A fat burner might be helpful as well. I've never needed one before but what used to work isn't any longer.

TIA
 
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Not sure what your eating looks like or what your body profile is but an hr of weight training followed by an hr of high intensity cardio is alot of work and if your body isin't getting what it needs to repair itself from all this hard work then it goes into self defense mode using only what it has to and storing the rest.
basicaly your buring off way more calories than what you take in and your body sees this after time the body slows the metabolism down to keep from burning off any excess fat is has so that it can save itself by using only the calories you eat thather than what you have stored.

you might tray a carb cycling type diet or cut back on the training some , maybe weights every other day or a 2 on 1 off schedual and back off the cardio some to 30 min a day.
 
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from Chris Aceto on dieting and training

<span style="font-weight: bold">1) Stay Heavy</span>
While there is some wisdom to performing higher reps before a contest, the fact remains, bodybuilders should not train in a rep range higher than 12. Heavy weight is a core stimulus for muscle growth. Every bodybuilder knows to add size and get bigger, you have to increase the amount of weight you lift on most of the basic exercises. On the other hand, bodybuilders often train lighter before a contest which is a mistake. When you train too light, muscle tissue shrinks giving you either a smaller or flat appearance. In addition, when your muscles shrink – or you loose size from training too light – the metabolic rate tends to drop.

While no ripped to the bone bodybuilder can expect to train as heavy pre-contest, all the way up to the final week previous to a competition, as he does in a mass building phase, it is essential to train as heavy as possible before competition. Heavy weights maintain the stimulus on muscles before competition which helps you retain muscle while engaged in a rigorous diet. When the poundages or ‘weight’ you use plunges before a contest, the result is a loss in muscle mass. In general, you ought to be able to lift 85-90% of your normal weight in a pre-cotest phase. For example, the bodybuilder who bench presses 150 kg for 8 reps in the off season, ought to be able to lift 127 kg (85%) and up to135 kgs (90%) in before a contest. When a bodybuilder lifts less than 85 to 90% of his off season weight, rest assure, he’s going to shrink and lose a lot of mass.

<span style="font-weight: bold">2) Shorten The Rest Periods</span>
Before a competition, decreasing the amount of rest in between sets is a good way to increase the total calories burned in each training session. In particular, shorter rest periods tend to burn up stored muscle glycogen which, in turn, causes a shift in metabolism causing the body to burn additional body fat. The pre-contest bodybuilder can rest as little as 40 seconds on smaller body parts such as biceps, triceps, calves, abs and 1 minute for larger body parts like chest, back, quads and hamstrings. As a rule of thumb, bodybuilders can burn more calories and body fat with shorter rest periods. In fact, very short rest periods – even shorter than those I just recommended might even be better for ripping up. However if the poundages or ‘weight used’ drops below the 85% threshold mentioned in tip # 1, then you will end up losing muscles mass. Therefore, keep your rest periods brief before competition yet maintain heavy weights. If your weight begin top drop below 85% of your off season poundage, you may be training too quickly between sets. In that case, I would suggest you slow down a bit and jeep the guidelines I suggested; 40 seconds for smaller body parts and 1 minute for large. Of course, there are always exceptions. That is, you might want to rest 45 seconds to a minute on smaller bodyparts and up to 90 seconds on larger body parts. Keep an eye on your poundages. If you can maintain them close to off season poundages, then try shorter rest periods. And if the poundages start to fall, make an adjustment and rest a bit longer.

<span style="font-weight: bold">3) Cycle Short Rest Periods With Longer Rest Periods</span>
You can not train with shorter rest periods during the entire contest preparation period. Shorter rest periods, in general, can lead to a drop in the amount of ‘weight’ you handle which leads to a loss in muscle mass. In simple terms, if you can bench press 150 kgs for 8 reps in the off season and rest 2 –3 minutes in between sets, changing to shorter rest periods might cause a drop in poundages where you wont be able to lift 85 to 90 % of the weight you were doing in the off season. With that in mind, the bodybuilder can benefit by cycling shorter rest periods with longer rest periods. In other words, he can maintain greater strength levels while incorporating shorter rest periods by using both short rest periods and normal/off season rest periods. The ideal way to cycle rest periods is to train 2 consecutive weeks using short rest periods (30-60 seconds between sets) followed by 2 consecutive weeks following longer rest periods, closer to those typical in a mass building phase (1 1/2 to 3 minutes between sets). Alternating from shorter rest periods to longer rest periods can help aid recovery by preventing a state of overtraining that can occur with shorter rest periods. At the same time, it allows the bodybuilder to benefit from the calorie burning effect of shorter rest periods without causing a marked drop off in the ‘weights’ or poundages used.

<span style="font-weight: bold">4) Use High Intensity Cardio</span>
There’s a perpetual discussion on how much cardio to perform before a contest and at which intensity. If you’ve read my articles in the past, you know I believe anything more than 4 forty minute cardio sessions each week will lead to a drop in testosterone levels, a loss of energy and is counter productive to becoming ripped. In terms of intensity, high intensity is always best. I consider high intensity to be closer to 80% of one’s maximal heart rate. The only way this level can be maintained is with interval aerobic exercise where the bodybuilder pedals a bike or walks on a treadmill with incredible effort for 2-3 minutes followed by 1-3 minutes of a cooling period. During the cooling period, the bodybuilder can peddle or work at a significantly lower level of intensity. During this period, the heart rate will remain surprisingly high after having been spiked towards the 80% level during the 2-3 minute period of all out effort. If you choose to perform this type of grueling aerobic work, you can limit each session to 20-25 minutes and perform only 3-4 sessions a week. Higher intensity aerobic work is better than lower intensity work because it stimulates the body to burn additional calories for an entire half day aftereach aerobic session whereas the metabolic rate does not remain elevated for more than 30 to 45 minutes with lower intensity aerobic work. The key to getting ripped is not necessarily burning up calories, but increasing and changing the metabolic rate. Higher intensity cardio work alters the metabolic rate far greater than lower intensity cardio work.

<span style="font-weight: bold">5) Never Train More Than 3 Consecutive Days in A Row</span>
Contest training requires the addition of cardio to stimulate the loss of body fat with a decrease in carbs and fat to create a caloric deficit leading to further fat loss. This added-exercise-drop-in-calorie approach can quickly lead to overtraining. Most bodybuilders fail to recognize the signs of over training as they’re usually pre-occupied with getting in great shape and are constantly worried taking a day or two off from training to avoid overtraining might prevent them from getting as ripped as possible. Not resting sufficiently leads to over training which, in turn leads to a loss in muscle, a drop in the metabolic rate, and a drop in testosterone and IGF levels.

One of the better ways to approach your training before a competition is to incorporate complete days of rest; no training, no cardio. Rest days help the bodybuilder avoid overtraining allowing him to hold onto more mass while dieting. Muscle mass maintenance is the key to pre-contest preparation because greater mass obviously is what bodybuilding is all about and the more mass you can retain while dieting, the higher your metabolism which makes losing body fat a lot easier. I suggest bodybuilder either use a 2 on 1 off training plan where the entire body is worked over a 6 day period and a full day of rest is taken after 2 consecutive days of training. Another alternative is to use the 3 on 1 off 1 on 1 off method. Here the entire upper body is trained in the first 3 days (spreading the upper body training over these days) followed by a complete day off. Returning to the gym, the bodybuilder would train legs, hamstrings and calves with the following day completely dedicated to rest. (then repeat the cycle) This ensures the bodybuilder have sufficient rest which leads to greater muscle retention while dieting.

While some bodybuilders like to train 5 or 6 days a week before a competition, perhaps training 1 to 2 body parts daily every day except Sunday, it’s better to set aside complete rest days as even small amounts of activity (training or cardio) each and every day can lead to a loss of muscle due to a drop in hormones that comes with every-day training. Bodybuilders still believe its impossible to overtrain by breaking their workouts into very brief session. While brief training sessions, lasting an 30 to 60 minutes might not cause the body to fall into a state of overtraining, chronic everyday training, no matter how brief the training session, can promote overtraining. Continuous training becomes a chronic stress on the body which will, over time, lead to overtraining- which leads to a loss in muscle. The answer; complete days off- even during the contest prep phase!
 
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Well fuck me.

It appears that I've torn my right bicep tendon. Guess I'll be a fat ass with matching forearm scars now. Another 90 days down the drain.

Fuck me.
 
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J Jones75, or anyone that knows. The article JJ posted above constantly talks about bodybuilders and preparing for a competition. I'd venture to say that 99% of the people reading this thread on this site will never be a body builder or compete.

My son and I have been working out pretty regularly for about eight weeks. Six days a week, about an hour to hour and a half each session.

For the first six weeks we did basically the Body For Life program of intensity levels increasing each set and a set range of 12, 10, 8, 6, 12, 12 reps. The first five sets being one exercise and the last set of 12 being a different exercise for that same body part while trying to reach an intensity of 10 at the last couple of reps on the last set of 12, 10 being on a scale of 1-10.

We would do some cardio before some of the workouts, say a mile or two on the treadmill, or some ball buster stair steppers.

For about the last two weeks we've changed our workout going to three to four exercises for each body part, but only about six reps per set and using heavier weights. We maintain strict form on everything we do and if we haven't done the six reps or form starts to suffer we'll rest for a few breaths and finish the set in good form. We usually like to finish the last set of each exercise with some strict negatives. We have about three days rest before each muscle group is worked again. We've noticed some pretty good strength gains in the last couple of weeks since we started going with more exercises and heavier weights. Every exercise day we change up the order or exercise as well.

I'm 48 and staying right with my 22 year old son. I don't know if that means I'm doing good for my age or he's just a weakling.
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Actually he's getting thicker and putting on some weight which he's always had trouble doing.

My question after all of that is, does that article actually pertain to regular people who work for a living and if they're lucky enough to have an hour to hour and a half six days a week?

We're both using Jacked and I do think it has helped in our lifting.

After a work out we'll both eat about nine raw eggs and have been eating quite a bit of protein, chicken, cottage cheese, etc. as well as yogurt and other carbs. Probably more protein than carbs though.

For someone in this category what kind of a rough diet should a person be on who wants to cut more fat while still building muscle. I have no desire to compete or anything like that but would like to have some more definition.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
We're both using <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Jacked</span></span> and I do think it has helped in our lifting.

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Jacked is good stuff. Gotta go real easy on the koolaid at first. No bonsai. It's very powerful....

It really helps after a long day at work, and need to get your workout in. I only add 1 scoop in a shake before the gym, and I'm good. No crash that I can tell either.

YMMV
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sorry that you're injured. One of the possible outcomes, alas, of pushing the limits of your body is that you find one. </div></div>

I didn't do it in the weight room. Aside from a dislocated clavicle doing military presses I've done a pretty good job of avoiding injuries during my workouts.

Federal drop shipped 422,000 rounds of .40 to us and the shipping company brought a truck with an inadequate lift gate so we ended up pulling it off of the truck a case at a time and daisy chaining it into our ammo room. It happened at some point during the unloading process. I tore the left one two years ago trying to catch a case of .45ACP that fell off of a shelf above my head.

Apparently I have more to fear from boxed up ammo than ammo loaded into a firearm.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">J Jones75, or anyone that knows. The article JJ posted above constantly talks about bodybuilders and preparing for a competition. I'd venture to say that 99% of the people reading this thread on this site will never be a body builder or compete.

For someone in this category what kind of a rough diet should a person be on who wants to cut more fat while still building muscle. I have no desire to compete or anything like that but would like to have some more definition.</div></div>

The diet and training idea for sombody thats bnot wanting to compete should not differ from sombody that is , you just don't have to cary it as far , the diet and training idea outlined above is basicly for maximum fat reduction with maximum muscle retention via diet and training , and thats pretty mcu what everybody wants when they get into working out is fat loss and muscle gain right?
without playing with differant macro assesments its hard to say if you will benifit more from a low carb diet thats moderatly high in fat or a high carb diet that low in fat. some guys feel like shit when they drop their carb intake below 200g a day ,i feel like shit when i go above that , so i stick with a meat and veggie diet with extra meat on the side.a good place to start is try getting 1.5g protein per pound of body weight , 1g carbs per pound body weight and .5g fat per lb body weight.
200 pound person get 300g protei,200g carbs, 100g fat per day
thats 2900 cals per day
lets say you can eat 6 times a day.
you want to get you carbs in the first part of the day no later than about 3:00 if you go to bed at say 9-10 , the last couple meals of the day will be higher fat meals like beef or fatty fish , so the first few meals of the day will be higher carb with low to no fat and the last couple will be no carb but higher fat.
meal 1-4 : 50g protein , 50g carbs , only trace fats from lean chicken lets say 7-10g
meals 5&6 : 50g protein , 20g fat
try to get your fats from leaner beef like top round and fatty fish like sword fish and slamon and whole eggs , OR you can add in 20-24 almonds if you like chicken.

training use a 2 on 1 off track or every other day or better yeat monday wednesday and friday schedual.
Monday : legs and shoulders
Wednesday , Back and triceps
Firday : chest and biceps
 
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with the above plan you could even carb cycle that diet , on the day you train leave the carbs alone and the days your off cut the carbs way back , they won't be needed for energy that day so you will be able to reduce the calories a good deal
 
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JJones, thanks for your time in adding your comments and suggestions.

Another question. Is there anything to these recovery shakes that I hear about that you're supposed to drink right after working out, or would getting your 50g of protein and 50g of carbs basically be doing the same thing?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JJones, thanks for your time in adding your comments and suggestions.

Another question. Is there anything to these recovery shakes that I hear about that you're supposed to drink right after working out, or would getting your 50g of protein and 50g of carbs basically be doing the same thing?</div></div>

the idea behind the addition of fast acting carbs with your post workout shake is that they are typicaly high glycemic carbs which causes an insulin spike , the rapid increase of insulin allows the body to "soak" up the protein and carbs into the muscle more effeceintly.

Insulin is the most anabolic compound readly available , body builders and power lifter (and just about any other person who want to add muscle quiclkly) have been using insulin for years , it basicaly acts like a super charger for nutrients.
So you take a shot of insulin right after you workout and this allows the body to shuttle more protein and carbs into the muscles than is generaly able to , this results in added muscle growth. Insulin is the reason that the major pros are as big as they are and are able to eat and even use as much at 8000-10,000 calories a day!!

UNFORTUNATLY !!! this information is quickly spreading and people who have no buisness even thinking about using exogenouse insulin are getting hold of it and fucking them selves up.

But yes adding some simple carbs to your post workout shake will aid in refilling the muscle and helping to build some muscle , a 50/50 ratio is pretty common and if the carbs are simple comming from things like Dextrose , maltodextren or waxy maize starch they they will cause an insulin response and help with the protein uptake.

When im not trying to lose fat i have some carbs in my post workout shake , typicaly 40-50g protein and 30-40g carbs via Waxy Maize Starch and you will feel much more "pumped" for longer after your workout this way , follow that shake with a meal containing some longer acting carbs like sweet potatos or brown rice and plenty protein to keep the body full for hrs after.

My training partner eats 10 scrambeled egg whites with 1/2 cup white rice and 1/2 cup diced fresh pinapple mixed in so he gets great protein with both types of carbs. It actualy taste pretty good though sounds gross