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I think this may have happened because they're both two-baggers ...

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http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20180228/father-daughter-charged-with-incest/1
 
We kicked something similar around a couple weeks back. As far as im concerned, despite it being somewhat sickening, if they are both 18 and consenting its no ones business but their own. Nice play on words though Mr. Linguist.:)
 
We kicked something similar around a couple weeks back. As far as im concerned, despite it being somewhat sickening, if they are both 18 and consenting its no ones business but their own. Nice play on words though Mr. Linguist.:)

Uh, that's like way, way too much información there, Señor Baila con Lobos.

I thought you were the last of your clan?

Wow. He did say "somewhat."
 
And I had always heard that "Relative Humidity" was the sweat that formed on the back of your sack whilst screwing your sister-in-law!

This definitely RE-DEFINES that term. This crap should be in the "Socially Unacceptable" thread, in Maggies Drawers. There, it went full circle. (see what I did there?)
 
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We were, and still are just a wee bit, LOFAO because yes, we still have Dad here waiting to go away for the rest of his life. Sis is already up in Purdy and due to her Criminal History of Hot, Steamy, Familia Sex, she'll more than likely never see freedom again in her lifetime. Ain't no Cooter that good.
 
Usually this kind of thing fucks up the girl's mind. As she matures, she is forever tormented by guilt and shame. Lots of deep down anger inside, and they go down dark paths in their life.
 
Like it or not, before long it will be legal for Adults to have consensual incest. It's the natural progression of the break down of the rigid family/reproductive order which societies enforced for thousands of years.

Most likely Plural marriage will also come soon
Eventually the animals will get to join in on the action
 
Excellent episode from Futurama

Fry cautions Professor about messing up something about time/space/dimension continuum
Professor responds... "Says... I'm my own grandfather".
 
Like it or not, before long it will be legal for Adults to have consensual incest. It's the natural progression of the break down of the rigid family/reproductive order which societies enforced for thousands of years.

Most likely Plural marriage will also come soon
Eventually the animals will get to join in on the action
There in lies the quandry.
Legal vs moral.

By my interpretation of the Constitution all the things you named should be 'legal' under pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Im not saying they are right, nor moral, though morality can vary widely by culture. In many societies, when a female begins to menstruate and can carry water from the well and chew the rawhide to make it useable, cook food and carry firewood, she's a woman and ready for marriage. Is that right or wrong. Should we impose our morays and make it illegal. This is a slippery slope. As I see it the only salvation is in having a strong family group.
 
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The current "Age" that we currently consider people to be consenting adults here in the USA is not based on any actual science or logic.
It is actually fairly old not only by the standard of other countries, but even by what history here was like 100 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

Legal and Illegal is pretty much just what some group of people decide to demand people do, once you get outside of the actual basics of Don't kill people that don't deserve it, Don't steal people's stuff, don't threaten or endanger your society & don't go around having unwanted sex with strangers. (Then of course people make "laws" so they can kill people who don't deserve it, take people's stuff by force etc.)

The whole heterosexual monogamous family unit was decided thousands of years ago, not because of religion, but because that was the most efficient arrangement to get the maximum participation value & efficiency for breeding new members of society & expanding the society with as many new workers as possible. Religion then helped give legitimacy to the dictates of social order as it always has. It was your responsibility to raise a good family of Children that would be productive members of society & care for your parents in their old age.

Previously everybody was told they were another Brick in the wall, cog in the machine & they had to follow the rules that were best for society in general. Now stupid people are told they are special wonderful unique little snowflakes who should float about endlessly wafting on the breezes caring only about what they "feel" in the moment. Fine for a holiday or vacation, but the end of a civilization if everybody takes it up as a mantra.
 
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The current "Age" that we currently consider people to be consenting adults here in the USA is not based on any actual science or logic.
It is actually fairly old not only by the standard of other countries, but even by what history here was like 100 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

Legal and Illegal is pretty much just what some group of people decide to demand people do, once you get outside of the actual basics of Don't kill people that don't deserve it, Don't steal people's stuff, don't threaten or endanger your society & don't go around having unwanted sex with strangers. (Then of course people make "laws" so they can kill people who don't deserve it, take people's stuff by force etc.)

The whole heterosexual monogamous family unit was decided thousands of years ago, not because of religion, but because that was the most efficient arrangement to get the maximum participation value & efficiency for breeding new members of society & expanding the society with as many new workers as possible. Religion then helped give legitimacy to the dictates of social order as it always has. It was your responsibility to raise a good family of Children that would be productive members of society & care for your parents in their old age.

Previously everybody was told they were another Brick in the wall, cog in the machine & they had to follow the rules that were best for society in general. Now stupid people are told they are special wonderful unique little snowflakes who should float about endlessly wafting on the breezes caring only about what they "feel" in the moment. Fine for a holiday or vacation, but the end of a civilization if everybody takes it up as a mantra.


To play the Devil's advocate, what gives society the right to survive. If you look around the world, its pretty fucked up. Wars that kill millions over stupid shit, The massive, perhaps irreversible pollution of our home, our planet, even what we like to believe is the best system on the planet, our republic, has in oly 250 years degenerated into a 'us and them' pissing contest,,...what right do we have to survive? Maybe nature needs to hit the reset button and start over.

Lets consider your last paragraph. Up to there Im good with it.

Which is preferable...to be just another brick in the wall, or to be told that you have the right to choose something different if that suits you. Walls are solid, generally inflexible structures. My grandfather was the perfect example. Worked at the same job, in the same room, in the same factory, in the same town, for 45 years. Is that what you really want in your life, to stand at the same table, in the same building, in the same factory, in the same state, and do the same thing, for 40, 50 years or so until your worn out then die? North Korea welcomes you. Or would you prefer to have the right to make your own choices even if you make mistakes. Servitude or slavery? I think we both know the answer to that one.

The other side of the coin, as you suggest, is a world of worthless snowflakes afraid of their own shadow because theyve never been given a set of 'CORE VALUES'. What is a core value? That takes us to your 1st paragraph. Boil all or it down into "Treat others as you want to be treated." Why? Simple. Because "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.? Because "You reap as you sow." because "What goes around comes around." Nothing religiou, or altruistic, about it, pure logic. What you put out returns.

The early Greek Philosopher Plato wrote about your next statements, society developing from hunter gathers to the 'Polis' the eity. Yes, the heterosexual, not necessarily monagomous, family unit was necessary for the survival and expansion of the species. But as Plato suggests, once a certain point is reached, the point of having a bit extra at the end of you labors, something changes. It allows time to pursue other less vital pursuits like music and art.. And with thime to reflect, rather than slave away just to survive), we have more 'choices'. More freedom, More liberty, thats a good thing. Where it fails is if that basic core value isnt there and one uses his or her freedom and choices to harmful ends.

Its all about understanding one thing, and understanding at the deepestmost absolute of levels.

What goes around comes around.

Well the red wine has fully kicked in so I think I will 'choose' to go 'pursue' something else, like listen to some good 'jazz'.

McMaggot McOut
 
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Rights has nothing to do with it, any given society does not have a "right" to survive, rather it survives as long as it can till eventually the bad outweighs the good and then it collapses and things start again. People these days have such a limited idea of history... 250 years so far for the USA? That is a drop in the bucket compared to the many great civilizations that rose and fell over the past 6000 years that we have had recorded history. (There is of course the earth worshiping neo pagans who want to kill off everybody (except of course themselves), to save "mother earth).

There is also a reason we don't seem to have much more firm detailed history of continued human civilization over about 5000 to 6000 years, and that is because the geological records show that the planet actually hits the reset button rather regularly, (planetary timescale wise). Not that many in a given area survive the resets, big or small. Odd things appear in the records of big stone stuff built by "someone" that doesn't match a linear progression of civilization and sometimes things predate what they should. Humans these days think we are all so important and smart and don't understand how much has risen and fallen into nothingness over the past 20,000 years or so, entire races of "humans" etc.

The problem is that people get too stuck into their dogma or "ism" and don't see the subtle balance. If you want to lead a life for yourself that is something other than an animalistic constant hunt and forage to keep starvation at bay and not get eaten, then you HAVE to work together with other humans as a society and the more and better you do it, the better your life is. Economies of scale. In the end for continued human progress, everybody owes to use and enjoy what has been given them from birth by society, while working to the best of their own ability & choice to make their life better, better lives for their children and a more advanced & prosperous society for the next generation.

Freedom isn't free, the illusion of freedom that many picture is the ability of a well ordered prosperous society to provide the basic support, knowledge & protection structure so that it's members can choose their own paths as they see fit within a tunnel of possibilities & hopefully improve society while doing so. The bigger a society gets, the more it can tolerate dead weight and useless members, the problem is that eventually most societies wind up with too few playing Atlas and too many playing moochers and eventually grind to a halt, then start devolving.

In your Grandfather's case, did anyone force him to stay at that same job most of his life? Or did he choose himself to stay in a relatively "safe" and "comfortable" situation rather than risk starting anew?
Just about everything people take for granted in life requires someone being willing to do the same thing in and out every day for years on end.
Your garbage, your water, your food, your defense, your power, administration of civic order, trying to educate children, raising children, producing the goods you want to use, Researching better goods and methods etc. Nobody is generally forced to stay in one thing, but stability has a benefit of it's own at many level.

Most people in society in the end matter very little in the grand scheme of things by themselves, they have a small circle of influence and apart from that, they are yet another brick in the wall & cog in the machine, and as long as they are an overall productive benefit to themselves & society, it matters little what they do & for most "free" societies, there is a lot of room to do as you want. Then a much smaller group of people actually do things that directly make a difference to a larger group of people. Then an even smaller group of people happen to be in the right place at the right time to actually make a difference for good or bad to history. Even then it matters little thousands of years ago.
Today nobody probably really cares outside of history lessons if a certain Pharaoh was good or bad, if one Emperor was worse than another, if one King did this or that, outside of a very few pivotal moments that shaped the recent (as in the past couple thousand years) of human history.

For most people when their lives are done, what matters for the progress of humanity, is did they leave behind enough and better replacements for themselves & did they have a positive impact on making their society better for the next generation and by how much. Did they help advance human knowledge or human abilities. Are their children properly raised to take their place and build on what they built to continue the forward progress. The more society advances in both size and human knowledge intellect and understanding increases the more "freedom" you can have to do whatever floats your boat while still being productive. (or for that matter to just be useless).
 
Ill only comment on one small statement in your above post. The rest is filler.

"Freedom isn't free."

Of course it is. What else could it be. Your attachments bind you. In order to be truly free you have to let go of all attachments, as the buddhist say. No one has the guts to live it.

Almost no one conceptualizs true freedom, devoid of the boundries youre brainwashed into putting on it.

Toodles.
 
The outcome of the "progressive" mindset is unlimited direction of identity without consequences for failure.
The opposite of nature.
I'm all for freedoms, I'm also for the responsibility that should be part and parcel of these acts.
In short, bad behavior without consequences leads to where many "snowflakes" are currently.

R
 
Ill only comment on one small statement in your above post. The rest is filler.

"Freedom isn't free."

Of course it is. What else could it be. Your attachments bind you. In order to be truly free you have to let go of all attachments, as the buddhist say. No one has the guts to live it.

Almost no one conceptualizs true freedom, devoid of the boundries youre brainwashed into putting on it.

Toodles.

That is very true and a great point.

The one main modifier comes that (at least till you achieve enlightenment) you are still bound by the needs of your physical body & in a great many areas of the world attending to the basic requirements for staying alive over a long time frame requires a significant amount of work (assuming you choose not to live off other people), if you want to go it alone. So you can be "Free" almost completely, but you'll have to work hard to maintain your freedom. As an example, most of the Buddhist monk types that live the "free life" to some extent live off or by the good graces of their local society.

It is far easier to survive physically, the more advanced a society you choose to be in (if you so choose), but that progressively binds you to adhering to the minimums of a social structure.

The other issue is that as the world gets more and more controlled, it is harder to just be fully independent & free without bumping into some societies "government" along the way and few of them ever appreciate truly "free" people.
 
That is very true and a great point.

The one main modifier comes that (at least till you achieve enlightenment) you are still bound by the needs of your physical body & in a great many areas of the world attending to the basic requirements for staying alive over a long time frame requires a significant amount of work (assuming you choose not to live off other people), if you want to go it alone. So you can be "Free" almost completely, but you'll have to work hard to maintain your freedom. As an example, most of the Buddhist monk types that live the "free life" to some extent live off or by the good graces of their local society.

It is far easier to survive physically, the more advanced a society you choose to be in (if you so choose), but that progressively binds you to adhering to the minimums of a social structure.

The other issue is that as the world gets more and more controlled, it is harder to just be fully independent & free without bumping into some societies "government" along the way and few of them ever appreciate truly "free" people.

Yes.

Even the monks have attachments...thats why they are still corporeal. Part of it is being able to live in this physical world and do what is necessary but without being 'attached' to it. Not so easy. but doable. I am into high end audio and music. I have a sound system that is the envy of most who are into the same. I really enjoy it, but have minimal attachment to it. Yesh, I take care if it but if a tornado took it all away tomorrow, Id be a liitle sad for a short time, but in a different sense be feel really liberated in "ot having to take care of it anymore."

Ive seen a lot of this world. I have no death wish or anything of that nature but Im curious and ready to percieve adventures in realms other than this world which corrodes.