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Universal Background checks, Democrat style.

I hear ya VeerG and I always liked Pensy for that but the end of the day they are shitting their own state Constitution which is superior to the fed constitution in my view. Stay as long as you can stand it or until you need to defend your rights,.

Meh on the Cheese steak. Italian and amish food kick ass though.

QUOTE="Veer_G, post: 7385136, member: 17403"]The Second Amendment is embodied within our state Constitution, in Article I, Declaration of Rights, § 21:

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I'm not running south. This is my home, and this is the contract by which my right to act as a constituent part of the effective balance is recognized and affirmed. Notwithstanding stupidity on my part, or treachery on theirs, I consider it an eternally binding contract.

Besides, I've had what were called cheesesteaks elsewhere, and they were pretty much fucking gross, each and every one.[/QUOTE]
 
If your counting on politicians to protect your second amendment , save them the bullshit and lies and just turn your guns over to the government. If the populist of gun owning Americans are afraid to use their 2nd amendment rights against these politicians then put another shrimp on the barbie.......
I expect them to up hold their oath, that obviously it so much to ask for some.
 
Lol you need to publish a Veer’s acronym book.... I’m not really that smart.?

Actually, PRNJ is an initialism, not an acronym. Acronyms are words formed from letters, being pronounced as a whole word, like "SCUBA," or "radar." Initialisms require the separate pronunciation of each letter. We don't say "prinj," but, instead, P R N J, each letter pronounced individually in a distinctive fashion. Similarly, we say D O J, not something sounding akin to "dodge." AFSCME, however, is an acronym, pronounced "afsmee" by common convention.

More on the subject: https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-acronym-and-vs-initialism/
 
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Actually, PRNJ is an initialism, not an acronym. Acronyms are words formed from letters, being pronounced as a whole word, like "SCUBA," or "radar." Initialisms require the separate pronunciation of each letter. We don't say "prinj," but, instead, P R N J, each letter pronounced individually in a distinctive fashion. Similarly, we say D O J, not something sounding akin to "dodge." AFSCME, however, is an acronym, pronounced "afsmee" by common convention.

More on the subject: https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-acronym-and-vs-initialism/
Thanks... Like I said I'm not very smart.....
 
I expect them to up hold their oath, that obviously it so much to ask for some.

Well how can we expect politicians to stand strong when we have distention within our own ranks. Universal BG check WILL become reality in the near future and it will be a direct result of gun owners yawning, or supporting them..... while others were sounding the alarm.

The Marxists have done a great job of making UBC seem like "reasonable gun control" . When this is over the next line will be ammo sales. Almost unthinkable just a year ago but being "normalized" as we speak....
 
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It requires an LTCF here. I don't have a problem with it myself, although I know someone is going to scream in my ear shortly about that.
I get your position, and not so much as backing you as agreeing with you on it.
To those that have started "screaming in your ear", They are correct also, paper trail, blah blah blah.
I hate that this in a public forum, but don't feel like doing a 20 person PM. So I will say that I have only ever sold 3 guns (one I wish I had back), I have the number of guns I have for 2 reasons, 1: I like guns, the way some like cars, 2: the fear of selling a fire arm to a criminal.
I would be fucking devastated, as I assume most here would, if a gun I (or you) owned previously was used in a crime, a mass shooting oh my god I don't know how I could live with myself.
I have a very understanding wife who has not given me 2 sec of grief over it in 25ish years, I have a friend who is not allowed to have more than 5, I am pretty sure he has bought and gotten rid of 60ish guns in the last 20+ years. He always wants the newest (never goes shooting as far as I know).
In Utah a CCW permit is not required but most online adds will ask for it. My friend can do as he pleases and I don't give him any flack over it, I am not sure what if anything he does to vet people.
My point to that is we have to be vigilant in protecting our own, guns are not clothes you hang on your porch railing at a garage sale.

Not sure how other states work (I would assume similar) but I tell this to other CCW permit holders and they always seem shocked. In Utah ALL CCW permit holders go through a BCI background check every 24hrs, normally around 5am-7am. This is why a background check for firearm purchase is not needed. All the FFL does is call BCI and verify permit is valid. It is done online, and takes less than 30 seconds.

I wish the average person could verify a permit that way.

A lot of people screaming here about how anti 2nd this is and I agree. I also DO NOT see a lot of people trying to help change the law.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. How many here would sale a car to a person that showed up staggering and smelling of alcohol? Gun owners need to help find solutions or the Government will do it for us.

Pushing for mental issues to be taken more seriously is a huge start. When I hear some looser killed a number of people and had known mental issues for years, I feel the same as when I hear a 10 time DUI recipient just killed a family going to grandma's for dinner. Both pieces of shit should not have been free to roam.
 
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PS. I do not consider a loan/gift to a family member a "transfer". But as stated above I would not do either to/for a person I did not 100% trust.
As far as loaning I would seriously have to ask "what the hell for" as everyone I know has their own.
 
Well how can we expect politicians to stand strong when we have distention within our own ranks. Universal BG check WILL become reality in the near future and it will be a direct result of gun owners yawning, or supporting them..... while others were sounding the alarm.

The Marxists have done a great job of making UBC seem like "reasonable gun control" . When this is over the next line will be ammo sales. Almost unthinkable just a year ago but being "normalized" as we speak....

You are correct, after sandy hook my father (who is a hunting rifle gun owner) was for UBC and asked why I was not. I took about an hour but I convinced him. The issue is you have to get people past their emotional reaction and get them to a logical reaction. Some of use get there faster than others.
 
This is another example of the 2A being eroded by inches rather than miles. That small amount of change lulls too many people into a false sense of security. What will be the last inch that pushed people to action?
 
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I get your position, and not so much as backing you as agreeing with you on it.
To those that have started "screaming in your ear", They are correct also, paper trail, blah blah blah.
I hate that this in a public forum, but don't feel like doing a 20 person PM. So I will say that I have only ever sold 3 guns (one I wish I had back), I have the number of guns I have for 2 reasons, 1: I like guns, the way some like cars, 2: the fear of selling a fire arm to a criminal.
I would be fucking devastated, as I assume most here would, if a gun I (or you) owned previously was used in a crime, a mass shooting oh my god I don't know how I could live with myself.
I have a very understanding wife who has not given me 2 sec of grief over it in 25ish years, I have a friend who is not allowed to have more than 5, I am pretty sure he has bought and gotten rid of 60ish guns in the last 20+ years. He always wants the newest (never goes shooting as far as I know).
In Utah a CCW permit is not required but most online adds will ask for it. My friend can do as he pleases and I don't give him any flack over it, I am not sure what if anything he does to vet people.
My point to that is we have to be vigilant in protecting our own, guns are not clothes you hang on your porch railing at a garage sale.

Not sure how other states work (I would assume similar) but I tell this to other CCW permit holders and they always seem shocked. In Utah ALL CCW permit holders go through a BCI background check every 24hrs, normally around 5am-7am. This is why a background check for firearm purchase is not needed. All the FFL does is call BCI and verify permit is valid. It is done online, and takes less than 30 seconds.

I wish the average person could verify a permit that way.

A lot of people screaming here about how anti 2nd this is and I agree. I also DO NOT see a lot of people trying to help change the law.

Just because you can do something do not mean you should. How many here would sale a car to a person that showed up staggering and smelling of alcohol? Gun owners need to help find solutions or the Government will do it for us.

Pushing for mental issues to be taken more seriously is a huge start. When I hear some looser killed a number of people and had known mental issues for years, I feel the same as when I hear a 10 time DUI recipient just killed a family going to grandma's for dinner. Both pieces of shit should not have been free to roam.

Going from memory, I don't think the Manchin-Toomey Bill that failed a couple years back was that bad. IF memory serves it only came into effect for "Advertised sales".....In a normal world I might have supported that. But this is not a normal world....Its a Bloomberg -Soros world.

I think a lot of us think about background sales on private sales and think of two guys who have never met on a tailgate selling/buying guns. NOT best friends, family members, loan to hunting buddies etc. Even folks like my leftist Brother who supports these laws does not follow them as they are written.

The problem is that this is not about being "reasonable". This is war where the end-game is to keep moving the line, be it a big move or a small move. Furthermore the purported real target of these laws simply ignores them.

So we are attempting to appease absolutists engaged in incrementalism....... We have the roadmaps Australia, Britain, California, NJ et al.

No, the time for appeasement and being reasonable has passed. We need to find our own roadmaps and I argue that is the LGBTQ movement. No tolerance, no reasonableness, no distention in the ranks and no hiding in the closet.....

The Marxist have proven that they are coming after folks like you and me, not criminals
 
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This isn't the PRNJ ... yet..
A couple more election cycles and you will one day walk outside and wonder, when did you time travel back to the heyday of the CCCP.
Even in "free" Texas, the way they are pouring illegals, Californicators, Soros' money, fraudsters and other evil folks in here, I'm not sure we have more than 1 or 2 more election cycles of freedom left in Texas before the Communists gain power and then it's all downhill from there.
 
A couple more election cycles and you will one day walk outside and wonder, when did you time travel back to the heyday of the CCCP.
Even in "free" Texas, the way they are pouring illegals, Californicators, Soros' money, fraudsters and other evil folks in here, I'm not sure we have more than 1 or 2 more election cycles of freedom left in Texas before the Communists gain power and then it's all downhill from there.

And then ...

 
PS. I do not consider a loan/gift to a family member a "transfer". But as stated above I would not do either to/for a person I did not 100% trust.
As far as loaning I would seriously have to ask "what the hell for" as everyone I know has their own.

Do you loan your son or daughter guns?

One thing that was brought up in committee a lot was that the Boy Scouts do a marksmanship program. They rely on borrowed .22 rifles that the club supplies to the kids for the week. This was going to be illegal under the new law.

A couple years ago the State attorney General had to declare that he would not prosecute flood displaced folks, who gave guns to friends for safekeeping during their displacement...
 
Ok I'm with you. Define "mental illness" . Have you read the DSM 4? (there is a 5 out now)

I have not read anything. Just have some "street" smarts. I would not say I am qualified to give a definition. Other than, our health care system refuses to define it also. It is easier to take away our rights/material things than address such an issue.

I also find it dumbfounding that it is easy to accept someone missing an appendage yet it is hard to accept that the brain can have defects also.
 
Do you loan your son or daughter guns?
.

Currently no. She has her own (all gifts from me at certain life milestones).
In her mid to late teens she experianced anxiety and depression. (Transistion from child to adult is not always easy).
I as a responsible person locked up everything tighter than a drum. Admittedly my gun storage had laxed a bit, but I reverted to treating her like a 3 year old in that regard. She pushed through and has been great for last 4 or so years. Truely an amazing person.
I inconvenienced myself to do my best to protect her, myself and my wife. Some are just to selfish to do just that.
 
Be careful with the whole "Mental Health" thing.
It's a Communist trap they want you to help them setup so they can catch you with it.
Calling people "Mentally ill" is a favourite Communist thing to do to their enemies.

Ask yourself Who decides if you are "mentally ill" or not? What actual guidelines are there apart from having a judge hear "testimony" from some Communist, freedom hating, Christ hating, Man hating, White hating, Gun hating "Doctor" that says in their opinion you are a danger because you don't "Think the right way".

One need only look at the "Red Flag" laws being hastily shoved around to see where it is going.

Or look at Europe, there if you happen to be proud of your country, proud of your ancestral heritage and want to have a family and have children and raise them to be proud of their country and proud of the ancestral heritage, you are already considered mentally ill (unless you happen to be a Muslim immigrant). There was this new handbook being sent around to the childcare centers to watch out for "Nazi leaning" parents and report to the government if any of the young boys were too athletic, or the young girls too happy with dresses and braided hair. That is where this is heading.

Look at that new NY law about wanting to read all your social media posts and all your online activity to decide if they should "let" you have your 2nd amendment rights.... Who is doing the reading and deciding? Communists and their agents.

You'll notice that after all these big mass shootings the shooter was always "known to the FBI" or had been "Reported many times" or as in Sandy Hook, their families were scared of them and trying to get them "Mental Health help". Yet strangely nothing was done about them....
Then some bitch calls up some false claim on some conservative homeowner and next thing you know the police are kicking down the door and shooting them.

Don't fall for it, don't make the trap for them. It's all just part of the plan to ensnare you.
 
I have not read anything. Just have some "street" smarts. I would not say I am qualified to give a definition. Other than, our health care system refuses to define it also. It is easier to take away our rights/material things than address such an issue.

I also find it dumbfounding that it is easy to accept someone missing an appendage yet it is hard to accept that the brain can have defects also.

Definition of someone missing an arm. They are missing an arm.

Lets remember that the AMA is decidedly anti gun. Furthermore most Doctors probably lean far left.

They have defined Mental illness. The current version is the new DSM 5 (if memory serves) Example: my nephew has Aspergers which is on the autism spectrum. In their infinate wisdom they decided to eliminate Asperger and just make him “Autistic” now. No one in my family , including him, is happy about this idiocy.

Recent numbers say that 1 in 5 Americans suffer from a mental illness each year. 1 in 6
are on medication for mental illness.

I don’t think I need to explain the problem here as it becomes obvious. We know that right now laws against metally ill are being abused in California and confiscations are ongoing. They show up to a home with a Swat team and take the husbands guns and ammo if the wife is suddenly flagged.

Mental illness is a back door gn grab for anti 2Aers and a sacrificial lamb for pro 2Aers.
 
Currently no. She has her own (all gifts from me at certain life milestones).
In her mid to late teens she experianced anxiety and depression. (Transistion from child to adult is not always easy).
I as a responsible person locked up everything tighter than a drum. Admittedly my gun storage had laxed a bit, but I reverted to treating her like a 3 year old in that regard. She pushed through and has been great for last 4 or so years. Truely an amazing person.
I inconvenienced myself to do my best to protect her, myself and my wife. Some are just to selfish to do just that.

I sympathize, my daughter is my treasure.

I’m not saying we should not deal with Mental Illness as gun folk. Imagine a world where we had a system we could trust to flag “dangerously mentally ill” until they get better. I certainly would be in favor of that. The problem is that that world does not exist. Instead we have Marxist abusing any and all gun control laws.

Furthermore just because someone goes through a rough patch should not bar them for life from owning a gun unless they were violent towards others. A lot of mental health issues turn out to be temporary. Certain kinds actually work themselves out with age or time....My Dad suffered depression and ptsd from WWII. He was never any danger to anyone. He eventually just got through it no Doctors or drugs.

So, how do we deal with Mental illness and guns.......Its a very complex issue.
 
I've basically stopped caring about what 'they' want. I just don't even care.

Look at how the illegals act; openly in public defying the law. That's how gun owners need to be if they want to stop this incremental bullshit.

eta - Instead, you run a higher risk of being snitched on by some guy who has a Marlin rifle that starts every statement on firearms with, "I support the 2nd Amendment, but...". These faggots are in the special, 'shoot you in the face at close range' category.
 
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If gun owners were like illegals or queers, they would march on places like DC and NY while open carrying ARs/Shrikes/249s/silenced pistols etc.

But they are too law abiding. They will just write letters and have peaceful protests and laugh at someone that gets gun charges and talk about how that person should have followed the law.
 
You need to go to wallbuilders.com and read some of the old speeches and sermons from the founding era to see how they deal with Romans 13.

Background checks are BS. They don’t do anything. Look at P A Luty. If you want to give everyone who is a violent felon a dirrerent color ID so that when buying a gun all you have to do is show a drivers license that would be ok with me. But this 4473 thing is crap because it creates a gun registry with your home address and physical description. Look what they tried to do in Connecticut a few years back when they somehow knew who had all the guns that the state wanted to seize.

Honestly you should be able to buy a gun as easily as buying a roll of toilet paper. Yeah, some bad guys will get guns, but everyone else will as well.
Besides, it is my God given right and it doesn’t come from government so if they want to get rid of that right they need to talk to the man upstairs, and he’s a friend of mine.

What gun owners need to say in response to the gun control push by the left is not NRA talking points about hammers or medical malpractice being more dangerous. They need to stand up and say, “Try to take or regulate my gun and I will resist you by all means necessary. End of discussion.” Pretty simple debate, really.
But... that requires courage and conviction and deeply held principles so looking at modern America we might be screwed.

Merry Christmas. Buy another gun and a good history book.

Romans 13 isn't in my playbook any more, but I'm well aware of some of the excesses that have been whitewashed behind it. As I said, I cherrypicked it.
 
I fought this at the state level at the Colorado legislature. What they are doing is redefining what a transfer is. Now in Colorado if you want to loan your shooting buddy a rfile for an upcoming hunting trip you must transfer ownership to him, then when he returns he must transfer ownership back to you. FFL background checks both ways.

This is horseshit!!
 
"What gun owners need to say in response to the gun control push by the left is not NRA talking points about hammers or medical malpractice being more dangerous. They need to stand up and say, “Try to take or regulate my gun and I will resist you by all means necessary. End of discussion.” Pretty simple debate, really."

NRA is a feel good organization of politicians, yes they're for the 2nd amendment on paper being politically correct.The thought of a gun owner using his guns to defend his right to have a gun if they knock on your door is a dream at best.

Your 2nd amendment has already been infringed on in some shape or form, have yet to see any government removed by The People for these infringements. 1/1/2019 will rush in with much more gun control which all will accept if not Eric Swalwell will Nuke your ass if he can't get your "Assault Weapon" from your warm living hands.
 
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"What gun owners need to say in response to the gun control push by the left is not NRA talking points about hammers or medical malpractice being more dangerous. They need to stand up and say, “Try to take or regulate my gun and I will resist you by all means necessary. End of discussion.” Pretty simple debate, really."

NRA is a feel good organization of politicians, yes they're for the 2nd amendment on paper being politically correct.The thought of a gun owner using his guns to defend his right to have a gun if they knock on your door is a dream at best.

Your 2nd amendment has already been infringed on in some shape or form, have yet to see any government removed by The People for these infringements. 1/1/2019 will rush in with much more gun control which all will accept if not Eric Swalwell will Nuke your ass if he can't get your "Assault Weapon" from your warm living hands.
There's been lots of government removed by people that have had enough. This book is full of them. The news doesn't report much on it because, unlike school shootings and terrorist attacks, the powers that be don't want copycats
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https://www.amazon.com/Ballad-Carl-Drega-Freedom-Movement/dp/0967025923
Link for people that can't use google
http://www.backwoodshome.com/the-ballad-of-carl-drega/
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CCW permits are handy
I still don’t see anyone willing to fire the first shot....myself included here.

What’s really sad, is the fact that no one would come to anyone else’s aide to help him defend his rights.

But we would all bitch on the forums tho.
Fucking DUH! No one wants to be some John Brown lunatic martyring themselves if there is any possibility to work within the system and affect peaceful change. No one who isn't insane wants to hurt, much less kill anyone, even if they harbor communist/anti-American ideas which they put into legal effect against the citizenry. We'd much prefer that the American people wise up and quit voting their rights away for these empty promises that government will create prosperity and plenty, when we all know that liberty does that, and government is entirely injurious to that endeavor when they stop refereeing and become a player/referee.

The good news is that no one has to. The left, which pretended not to be socialist for about half a century, is now loud and proud about their Marxism, which means that those proclaiming to be socialists are full on communists (as if you couldn't tell by their rhetoric!). So we don't need any martyrs to fire the first shots. The left will continue to weaponized government against the people, and when they believe it is sufficiently powerful they will use it. Point out anywhere in human history where this is not the case. It is inevitable. Once they feel sufficiently secure they WILL attack, because they always do. Totalitarian and authoritarian ideologies start with contempt for the governed as a central premise.

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Why would someone put this in their yard? Is it because they honestly think they are so virtuous and pure in their hearts and minds?

No. They know they're a weak, leftist, fuckwad that's full of white, leftist, guilt over what they are rather than who they are, and because they haven't been literally discriminated against in their life they take that as "privilege". Most likely you, if you're a conservative, have been discriminated against bullied, been a small minority in some situation, whatever, and instead of seeing yourself as a victim you just dealt with it and moved on. You don't get "triggered", because someone controlling you with words like that is completely fucking offensive to you as a man.

No, that sign above is not saying how wonderful the people who live in that house are. It is saying you are a fucking hateful, stupid, piece of shit who is of no value to them unless you are serviceing their needs like a slave. To the people in that house you are not fully a person, because you are so racist and ignorant, and you are most definitely not worthy of "rights". In fact, they have redefined "rights" to mean welfare, handouts, and programs, graciously granted to we slaves by them, so that your God (the State is their god) given rights are meaningless throwbacks and if you care about them it's further evidence of your racism and ignorance.

When you hate your fellow countrymen to the extent that these people do, and you convince yourself how bad and evil they are, why fucking not attack? It becomes immoral to let them keep stopping "progress", and keep exhibiting all the evil they exude.

No, we don't need a John Brown, or first shots. It is a 100% certainty they will attack when they feel comfortable enough. Those yard signs are all the evidence you need of the level of contempt these people have for you. It will be a defensive struggle and a guerilla war, because that's the only thing it can be. The only question becomes how much evil you are willing to endure, and how brazen their use of force has to become before we right ourselves by abolishing the forms to which we are accustomed. At that point will it be too late? They pretty much have to start murdering people, which they most certainly will. It's just a question of what you will do once that starts in earnest. If we're disarmed at that point then it really will probably be nothing.
 
HUFPO - If Kevin Hart Were Really Sorry, He’d Prove It.

Read the above article. If the whole "wrong-think/right-think" doesn't come through you've probably already been brainwashed.

If you see no problem with the concept of "people being harmed" by a comedian's jokes, you are probably too far gone to rescue...

It's bad. It's bad, bad. This isn't the first time we've seen it, and we know how it ends...poorly.
 
HUFPO - If Kevin Hart Were Really Sorry, He’d Prove It.

Read the above article. If the whole "wrong-think/right-think" doesn't come through you've probably already been brainwashed.

If you see no problem with the concept of "people being harmed" by a comedian's jokes, you are probably too far gone to rescue...

It's bad. It's bad, bad. This isn't the first time we've seen it, and we know how it ends...poorly.

"Brandi Miller is a campus minister and justice program director from the Pacific Northwest."

I have to wonder just how is it that Brandi Miller can even stand up.....what with all that burdensome weight she carries around being judge, jury and executioner. Last I knew "Ministers" were supposed to be moderately to totally non-judgemental. But, what do I know ?....I'm old. :rolleyes:
 
HUFPO - If Kevin Hart Were Really Sorry, He’d Prove It.

Read the above article. If the whole "wrong-think/right-think" doesn't come through you've probably already been brainwashed.

If you see no problem with the concept of "people being harmed" by a comedian's jokes, you are probably too far gone to rescue...

It's bad. It's bad, bad. This isn't the first time we've seen it, and we know how it ends...poorly.
Here's the diversity from that bunch:
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Hypocritical is a life style.

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Article sounds like Miller wants all white men to pay reparations to all marginalized people, throw themselves in the 1800's muddy road (let the marginalized stomp over them to the other side of the road), and stroke the marginalized to make them feel better about themselves (even if they recognizably are mentally ill, homeless, and fucked up), and then, after reparation, apology, stroking, and sucking up, become as fucked up as "the marginalized" fuckup...
just sayin... it's ok to be them, but it's not ok to be me..... fuck all that...

Keep the f'g Heisman trophy...
 
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