Rifle Scopes USO Internal ACD (Bubble Level)

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John and crew over at US Optics have started offering internal levels and I just got my hands on one. Thought I would post up some pics etc. I mounted it up on my varmit rig for now to run it through some tests and see how I like it. I put a USO rail/swing level on the rifle and leveled the rifle ... then leveled the scope with the internal level in the scope. Both levels reading dead center tightened up my rings etc. Tested it on a plumb line with both levels showing center and all looked to be good to go. Once you cheek up on the rifle the level does not dominate the optic as you look through it and to get a good look at it you have to cheek up a bit. In average shooting light its easy to reference. Pics of the setup ... will post more info after this weekend when I shoot some 500 to 800 yard steel.

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sorry my camera is cheap and my photography skillz are lame ... I spend my $$$ elsewhere ....
 
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That is great, I wondered how long it would be before someone took a que from SA and all of the followers out there and incorporated the bubble inside of the optics. One of the things I always loved most and missed with all other optis that SA did.

Great work John and USO Crew!
 
#10
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John posted awhile back that they can install these in existing scopes(thiers), I don't recall but I think it was $80-90 with what ever the lead time in their shop will be. Hopefully he can chime in and varify.
 
#12
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What no ACI?
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That looks freakin sweet!!! Time for a ST17 for a ELR rifle I think!!! Been leaning towards the ST17 and now have just decied on that over SB and NF.

Curious how the level looks when mounted in a 17x fixed and a Horus reticle....that would be about as complete optic package as you could go with for ELR. IMO
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: phreakmode</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John posted awhile back that they can install these in existing scopes(thiers), I don't recall but I think it was $80-90 with what ever the lead time in their shop will be. Hopefully he can chime in and varify. </div></div>

If that's the case, then all I can say is <span style="font-size: 26pt"> SWEET!!!!!</span>
 
#14
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Now I have to be the first to ask: Is that bubble level FFP or SFP and if it's SFP, at what range will it be accurate?
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Seriously, interesting concept there!
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#16
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I surprised they used a bubble level. Why not an electronic level? Green =GTG where a solid or flashing green light at the bottom means its level.
 
#17
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batteries and rheostat for another electric function takes up space. would make for an awfully crowded scope tube.

Just a guess

Second thought, could just run off of the reticle illumination? but then would be a much trickier retrofit with running wires around inside the scope tube.
 
#18
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The reason for the bubble is simplicity. It just works. An ampule in a near indestructible aluminum tube will always be 'on' and is so simple anyone can read it. Why make the solution complex?
 
#19
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I am very curious about this addition.
I look forward to have a few shooters test it and see how it performs in hunts and matches.

I like the idea of having the level integral to the scope , since I have a tendency to misplace accessories.

My swivel level is mounted at the end of the handguard of my AR10 , so I can keep both eyes open and see the target and the level at the same time., so I'm not sure it would suit my needs.

Hats off to USO for looking at ways to improve their scope.
Looking forward to get my hands on a T-Pal in the futur
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OFIS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sapper, does the reticle illumination get caught up by the dyed spirits in the level... if so, double bonus </div></div>

The Reticle illum doesn't light up the bubble dye ... I did go down in the basement with the lights off and put the reticle on illum level 1 (1=dim / 11=brightest) and you could see the level easily. Not sure how much application this has as night vision range/shots aren't that long anyway. But at dusk with the reticle on to take a shot it would work fine.

Now John and the boys just have to find a way to fit an cosign indicator inside, maintain the USO bombproof toughtness, yah ... can you say corner this niche of the market.

Range test tomorrow ... ill keep yah posted
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: phreakmode</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John posted awhile back that they can install these in existing scopes(thiers), I don't recall but I think it was $80-90 with what ever the lead time in their shop will be. Hopefully he can chime in and varify. </div></div>

If that's the case, then all I can say is <span style="font-size: 26pt"> SWEET!!!!!</span> </div></div>

Here you go
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#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GardDog223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was formulating a scope purchase on their website and didn't see the bubble option. Forthcoming addition, I guess? </div></div>

They have had website updates planned but it hasn't happened yet ... best bet is to just call them up and give Becky your build list and she will get you a quote. Don't let the woman thing throw yah ... Becky knows whats up.
 
#26
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Not, ( 80-$ 90-$ ). I just got one installed and it is ( 130-$ ) on my Invoice . Had to have my SN-3 in for service repair & So I had them put it in while it was there in Brea.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rafael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Soon as I can afford it, both my scopes will be going back for the re-fit.</div></div>

Me too!!
 
#28
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Something else to add: ?
It's Ocular positioning on the internal Bub. Lev. Maybe it Does or Doesn't ???? .
The scope is FFP and when Scope is set on highest variable power-X . <span style="font-weight: bold">' I am Expecting'</span> (bub. lev.) it to block-off a little bit of the view from Ret. subtention on the bottom of the Retical . As the Ret. is pretty bottomed-out on the bottom of the Ocular when viewing . & Is totally acceptable to me when walking into this .
I think it might all depends on what FFP scope & Ret. & what your highest power setting is on your Variable scope . It might Not on a max. power of 17x but the bigger 22x & 25x models it might block a little of bottom of the Ret. off the view on highest setting .
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#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something else to add: ?
It's Ocular positioning on the internal Bub. Lev. Maybe it Does or Doesn't ???? .
The scope is FFP and when Scope is set on highest variable power-X . <span style="font-weight: bold">' I am Expecting'</span> (bub. lev.) it to block-off a little bit of the view from Ret. subtention on the bottom of the Retical . As the Ret. is pretty bottomed-out on the bottom of the Ocular when viewing . & Is totally acceptable to me when walking into this .
I think it might all depends on what FFP scope & Ret. & what your highest power setting is on your Variable scope . It might Not on a max. power of 17x but the bigger 22x & 25x models it might block a little of bottom of the Ret. off the view on highest setting .
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On 17x the top of the level is approx 1.5 mils below the 9 mil mark on the GAP reticle.

http://www.usoptics.com/get_image.php?uid=RET-061

Your reference to how it would affect higher magnification models I can't say. One of the worries I had about this option is it would be a distraction. When shooting with to much magnification I watch the crosshairs bounce to much and my fundamentals go south. I took it out today to the short range to zero @ 100 and was very happy. Its almost like its in the shadows and you have to shift your focus a bit to check it. Once you go back to the crosshair and on target it sort of fades away. Setup the EREK w/ .5 mils to bottom @ 100 yards. Shot a quick 5 mil box - all was good. Stuck up 5 random staggered dots and dialed corrections from POA to POI, using the reticle only as reference, with max adjustment of 8.1 Mil Elevation and 4.3 Mils Right Windage and all was spot on. Well ... one group was 1.5 inches left of the intended POI ... but the group was nice ... yep my adjustment was off not the scope. Typical USO - spot on and repeatable. Very Happy with it and tomorrow she will get a workout in partcial application.

Dear John and USO crew - When can I get one with the Cosign built in?
 
#30
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'Before' the internal Bubble was added the 40moa mark @ the top of heavy Post was just barely usable @ FFP, 22x power setting .

( FFP Retical Size changing ) while moving up the power settings . This is the way this model ( SN-3, 3.8-22 -44 ) with ( MDmoa ) Ret. option looks with the 'internal' Bubble Level sitting in-view at the bottom of the Ocular lens . 'Your' FFP Scope may vary with different Power option & Reticle option .

If you are Not dialing the Elev. Turret for Holdover. And using only MOA Ret. subtention marks. There are 40moa marks till you come to the top of heavy Post that is at the bottom of the Ret. .
@ the 22-x power setting for 'Reticle Only' Holdovers. is GTG and has 30moa marks total use . For using total viewing amount of 40moa subtention marks. It is GTG till just @ 15-X setting before disappearing .
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I am pretty comfortable with this uso scope with between 4500-5-k rounds logged while looking though it . The new internal bubble is pretty subtle in its image and does not strongly stand-out .'Only reason' I Got it was to just clean-up the options hanging off my scope rail . & I new it was going to eat a little off the bottom of the Ret.
but (for me) Loosing the 10-moa on the Ret. holdovers on 22x is OK for me . Sometimes I use Only the Ret. for Holdovers with shooting & with shooting the Suppressor but utilizing the whole 40-moa subtention marks on 22x with Not dialing the Elev. Turret for Holdover is not the Norm. for me .
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