Rifle Scopes USO Reticle

[HOGGHEAD]

When looking at the USO website I looked at the different reticles. They obviously have the Mil-Dot reticle. Then they have MDMOA reticle. Is that the same distance as the distance between the Mil-Dot reticle-but instead of circles it is represented in lines?? The scope is the ST-17.

When using my Mil-Dot reticle on my Zeiss scope I too often misjudge the distance because I miscalculate the mil's. The USO reticle looks much easier?? Tom.

 

[Ratbert]

Re: USO Reticle

MDMOA is based on 1 line = 1 inch per hundred yards instead of 1 MRad.

ETA: If you just want lines instead of dots then you'll want something like the GAP reticle, which is still based on MRAD.

 

[Lindy]

Re: USO Reticle

No - the MDMOA reticle is an MOA lined reticle. See:

http://www.usoptics.com/upgradesD.php?recordID=RET-060

If you mess up calculating mils, though, you'll probably mess up MOA, too. Just get a Mildot Master.

http://www.mildotmaster.com

It'll work with either mil or MOA reticles.

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

So on the GAP reticle is 2 equal to 1 mil(on a standard mil-dot reticle)?? Which would make each subtension 1/4 of a mil??

And if so then how many mil's are one line on the MDMOA equal to?? Or does it not interpolate??

I am basically looking for an easier way to estimate the amount of mils on a target. Tom.

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

I hgave a Mil Dot master. As well as one of the training programs. Where I am having my problem is estimating how many mils a target is(in height). I understand the math and calculations. I am just bad on estimating. Part of that could be the fact that I have variable scopes. That is a main reason(besides price) that I am considering the fixed 17 power US scope. Tom.

 

[JRose]

Re: USO Reticle

Each subtension on a gap reticle is .5 mil

 

[Lindy]

Re: USO Reticle

Go to this page, which lists the U.S.O. reticles. Click on the button which said "Details" to see a drawing of each one.

http://www.usoptics.com/upgrades.php?recordID=SN3-1750&rectype=Reticle

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to this page, which lists the U.S.O. reticles. Click on the button which said "Details" to see a drawing of each one.

http://www.usoptics.com/upgrades.php?recordID=SN3-1750&rectype=Reticle
</div></div>

Thanks for the link. I have already been there. I was just trying to determine how the sub tensions equate to the dots on a mil dot reticle??

That straight 17 power would probably make a great scope for my long range 22-250 that I want to put it on for fixed position ground hog hunting. 300-800 yards. Tom.

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Each subtension on a gap reticle is .5 mil </div></div>

That seems to me like it would make estimating the number of mils that a target is tall--much easier than the dots?? Just an opinion.

So by your explanation then the #2 on the down crosshair represents 2 mils?? Thanks, Tom.

 

[kombar]

Re: USO Reticle

In 17x, you can also get the Canadian Mil Scale, which is pretty much just a mil dot reticle with hashes instead of dots. On the top and right it's broken down into .2 mil hashes.

If you wanted to convert the MDMOA reticle into mils, then each hash would be approximately .28 mil.

 

[6Dasher]

Re: USO Reticle

Hi,

Does anyone have a photo of what the mil or moa reticles look like on a 17 or 22 power? The figures on the USO site all look like they come from a low mag. scope (they show a high number of moas/mils on their axis).

Looking towards a ST22 but can't decide on the reticle type.

Thanks!


BTW: Sorry Hogghead, don't mean to hijack your topic.

 

[chpprguy]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flying Dutchman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi,

Does anyone have a photo of what the mil or moa reticles look like on a 17 or 22 power? The figures on the USO site all look like they come from a low mag. scope (they show a high number of moas/mils on their axis).

Looking towards a ST22 but can't decide on the reticle type.

Thanks!


BTW: Sorry Hogghead, don't mean to hijack your topic. </div></div>
try here.... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=136130

in the future, try using this... Snipers Hide Search Engine

 

[coulthard_west]

Re: USO Reticle

here is the cmg moa retical at 1000 yards.

 

[Lindy]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I am just bad on estimating. Part of that could be the fact that I have variable scopes.</div></div>

Probably not, since a given reticle at maximum power will be the same size as it will in a fixed power scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is a main reason(besides price) that I am considering the fixed 17 power US scope.</div></div>

You will find that 17 power is good for very long-distance shooting, and sucks at shorter distances, as well as in low-light situations or at moving targets.

The solution to your difficulty in measuring targets is more practice.

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

Lindy I am sure you are 100% right about more practice being the key. I always underestimate by 50-100 yards.

As far as fixed power scopes go I really do like them. I have an older 16X Leupold, and two older 24X(Leupold and Redfield) scopes. I really like hunting with them. I only hunt from a fixed position while varmint and deer hunting(I am a handicapped shooter), and I never take a rushed shot. So fixed power scopes do not present any hindurance to my shooting.

SO if I can buy a high quality piece of glass with the reticle I want for a better price, then that is probably the way this fixed income guy will go. Thanks, Tom.

 

[gugubica]

Re: USO Reticle

Tom, I don't want to sound like an ass, but, buy a laser range finder.

I highly prefer hashes to dots personally, and with the newer hashed reticles, it is easier to break down than the dots.

But it is still not as easy or accurate as an LRF.

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom, I don't want to sound like an ass, but, buy a laser range finder.
</div></div>

I have a LRF, it s a Nikon, and I use it for my BPCR shooting. I am going to buy one of the Leica's this winter. I am hoping they will go on sale.

I just enjoy the different styles of shooting. And I would like to hone my ranging skills with a good quality ranging scope. That is the main reason why I joined this forum. To learn.

My two main shooting interests are single shot rifles and varmint hunting. I have the single shots down, and short range varminting down(out to 600 yards). Now I am wanting to get the hang of the long range shooting. And I will figure it out.

The bottom line is that this long range precision shooting sport is an expensive sport to get into. So I definitely want to buy the best equipment I can for my money. And it seems that the "tactical" style shooters are at the cutting edge. So who better to learn from?? Tom.

 

[6Dasher]

Re: USO Reticle

s.i.t. & chpprguy: Thanks a lot!!! (did try the search, didn't find that thread, my bad).

 

[chpprguy]

Re: USO Reticle

I gotta ask....

is your profile name a Naval reference or a Spongebob reference?

 

[Ratbert]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No - the MDMOA reticle is an MOA lined reticle. See:

http://www.usoptics.com/upgradesD.php?recordID=RET-060

</div></div>

Oops, yeah, sorry, thinking of the PCMOA. regardless it ain't mils.


Consider a Gen II mildot. It has 0.2 diameter dots and a line at the 0.5 MRAD position.


So..

0.1 MRAD is half a dot
0.2 MRAD is a whole dot
0.3 MRAD is center of dot to halfway between top of dot and line
0.4 MRAD is top of dot to line
0.5 MRAD is center of dot to line
0.6 MRAD is bottom of dot to line
0.7 MRAD is center of dot to halfway above line and next dot
0.8 MRAD is top of dot to bottom of next dot
0.9 MRAD is center of dot to bottom of next dot
1.0 MRAD is center of dot to center of next dot


This way the only thing you have to subtend with your eye is the 0.3 and 0.7, and all that requires is that you're able to envision halfway between the hash and the top of the dot. Pretty easy, all things considered.

 

[knockemdown]

Re: USO Reticle

great info, Rat. Thanks!

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

I could be wrong. But I looked twice. I did not see a Gen II Mil-Dot reticle on the USO web site?? Tom.

 

[doc76251]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HOGGHEAD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could be wrong. But I looked twice. I did not see a Gen II Mil-Dot reticle on the USO web site?? Tom. </div></div>

We have it, and the Gen II XR. The web site is being updated as we speak to resolve some significant issues in the current one, namely the inability to update it effectively. I'd be glad to help you out w/ your reticle selection. All total there are about 127 different reticles that USO has depending on the platform, most are available in 17X.

Cheers,

Doc

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

Thank you for that. When do you plan on having the sight updated??

And one other question. With your 17X scope. Under good conditions at what range can you observe bullet holes in paper targets?? 6.5mm holes. Tom.

 

[doc76251]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HOGGHEAD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for that. When do you plan on having the sight updated??

And one other question. With your 17X scope. Under good conditions at what range can you observe bullet holes in paper targets?? 6.5mm holes. Tom. </div></div>

I wish I knew, last time I asked it was "End of the month" I forgot to ask which month

We're trying to get a really cool feature on there and it seems there are compatibility issues or some computer geek speak that I cant make heads or tails of.

6.5 holes I have no experience with but I can spot .30's in the right conditions to 400+ on plain white paper. Then again on some days you can't see them in the black at 150 with a 24X Unertl spotter.

Cheers,

Doc

 

[razor100]

Re: USO Reticle

im in the same boat want a fixed ST17x for my varmint gun. However I keep coming back to the fact that all the USOptics reticles may be too cluttered for 300 yard pdogging. any ideas?

the MDMOA unlit is nice due to the .07MOA line thickness but some what busy.
i believe the fine crosshairs are available with a plain jane .07MOA reicle, but you normally can't lase a target as unreflective as a pdog or woodchuck. figured out the 1MOA dot is too big for what im looking at doing, but now thinking the canadian mil dot may be close to what im looking for.

any suggestions? thanks

 

[coulthard_west]

Re: USO Reticle

refer back up closer to the top. i have a pic of my cmg moa retical at 1000 yards. its not as cluttered as the md moa.

 

[gugubica]

Re: USO Reticle

I really like the GAP reticle in mine. I find it usable, uncluttered and not to think.

 

[HOGGHEAD]

Re: USO Reticle

I will be interested in seeing that GAP reticle. When they get their sight updated. I am not necessarily wanting to look at a "cool" website. I am more concerned about the basic information. But then I have never been a "bells and whistles" guy. Tom.

 

[Lindy]

Re: USO Reticle

Here are a couple of pictures of the GAP reticle from my files.

 

[gugubica]

Re: USO Reticle

At 12x

 

[matchking]

Re: USO Reticle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HOGGHEAD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be interested in seeing that GAP reticle. When they get their sight updated. </div></div>

http://www.usoptics.com/upgradesDetail.php?recordID=RET-061