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Brief look : Savage action with EGW one piece base and XTR rings.

Looking to stay in the 300 range for optics...used is a-ok. I like the BDC reticle on the Nikon because it is easy for me to use, point blank. Any ideas on what to do here?

Not looking for a Barska or something of that nature, trying to find a decent scope that will get me out into the 400 yard range with solid magnification and bearable glass.

Flame on fellas :)

Edit : 223 caliber.
 
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I always recommend the Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 for a good inexpensive scope. Mine has been 100% reliable bouncing around pickup cabs and switching between a couple guns. I have yet to find a better scope for a coyote rifle.

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I just picked up a brand new Burris Fullfield E1 3x9 one inch tube with Illuminated Reticule, (Burris Stock#200322) to go on an 18 inch Rock River AR-15 thats in your price range. It has the Ballistic plex reticule that has bullet drop marks and lifetime warranty. Have not got it yet, just ordered it. I have used Burris products for years with great luck, I think they are a great scope that wont break the bank. I got it from Scott at Liberty Optics. He is a great guy and a site sponsor I think and gives discounts to snipershide members. I have purchased 4 scopes from him after becoming a member in here. Give him a call. Wont be disappointed in a Burris.
 
Cabelas has their tactical 8-32x50 scope on sale for less than 300 bucks. Its made by Meopta and you won't get better glass for anything close to that price especially for low light conditions. The only reason I'm not getting one is because it only has 50 moa of travel which won't be an issue for you. The reticle is a BDC style.
 
The Nikon line of AR scopes is actually pretty good glass but it won't take long for you to hate the BDC reticule. I learned that one the hard way with a 4-16x42 223 scope. At 300 yards or so you'll find that BDC dot will cover up a small target pretty good, and unless you happen to load your own exactly like the loads were that established the elevation points, use exactly the same type of weapon, under exactly the same weather conditions, you'll have some serious guesswork on your hands. You'll be happier and better served in the long run getting something with MOA or MIL hashes.

Check Armslist.com to see what might be out there used or follow some of the suggestions above that mentioned Weaver, Bushnell, and used Monarchs. I'd try to avoid the Burris and BSA type stuff. You have a chance of getting a good one, but just a chance.
 
I am opening this for one more question. Is there any other FFP scopes under 500 bucks with good magnification? I'd really like 18 power or possibly a 24 power magnification. If not I am going to go ahead and order the Primary Arms.
 
I'm a little late on this one, but I've got a leupold vx-2 6-18 on my prairie dog gun that I bought used for $400. It is better that my nikon monarch 5-20 was in glass clarity and especially eyebox forgiveness. As I understand leupold is coming out with an MOA reticle for those and they will install for about $125. Not FFP but...
 
The Nikon line of AR scopes is actually pretty good glass but it won't take long for you to hate the BDC reticule. I learned that one the hard way with a 4-16x42 223 scope. At 300 yards or so you'll find that BDC dot will cover up a small target pretty good, and unless you happen to load your own exactly like the loads were that established the elevation points, use exactly the same type of weapon, under exactly the same weather conditions, you'll have some serious guesswork on your hands. You'll be happier and better served in the long run getting something with MOA or MIL hashes.

I have also learned that the hard way.
 
I am opening this for one more question. Is there any other FFP scopes under 500 bucks with good magnification? I'd really like 18 power or possibly a 24 power magnification. If not I am going to go ahead and order the Primary Arms.

I would much rather have good glass at 10-12X than mediocre glass at 18-24X. Good luck finding good glass, FFP, and high magnification for less than $1000.
 
IMO, you said it all. Just find an inexpensive scope bearing one of the more reputable names. With either a BDC or mil-dot reticle and spend less than $300. Get it on the rifle and go shooting. Any of the said better names are at least going to have the scopes bearing their name built to spec. And, at some point QC'd by the company bearing the brand name. This is not to say they are as good as their more expensively made counterparts, just better than the 'no-name' brands.

Nikon
Vortex
Weaver
Leupold
Bushnell Elite (still not sold on standard line)
Redfield

You could also look for an older/used, better model of any of those. You probably won't find a BDC or mil-dot in them, but with practice you can do well enough with a duplex reticle.
 
Fair enough. Any ideas on scopes in the same price range as the Primary? You all likely know much better than me. I like the FFP idea of the Primary, but if I can find good glass with better magnification in the same price range, that might be the way to go.

Sorry, I am very indecisive. As of this moment the PA is top of the list.
 
I had a Nikon Monarch 5-20x (I think) on one of my early builds and I have to say the glass was mediocre and I hated the BDC reticle. Totally worthless and actually was negative learning. It also failed within a year as it wouldn't hold zero and the turrets wouldn't track correctly. That was 6 years ago, so maybe their stuff is better now. Nikon, IMHO, would not be the first place I would look for an entry level "tactical" scope.
 
I have a Vortex Viper w/box,papers for $300 if you are interested. 6.5-20x44. It's not a PST or HS. Just a base model Viper with capped MOA finger turrets. 30mm rings with it if you need them.
 
Mr. Grubbs, here's a review on SH by TopPredator for something you may like in a variable to 24X. Read the entire thread. Sounds like a lot of features in a 30mm tube for $300-350, and seems to do well under recoil. Also comes in 10-50X60 for a few bucks more.

Nikko Stirling Targetmaster 6-24x 56mm review

Just as a quick disclaimer, this optic is mounted on a rimfire, not a centerfire. Also I do not work for the manufacturer or their distributors nor has any consideration been received....

I have been considering this scope for the longest time as it has many of the features I’ve been looking for – mildot, side focus, target styled turrets, and higher magnification. Reviews are far and few between, most reviews (which are favorable) are based in the Field target arena – a very popular discipline in the UK / Europe – which these precision air rifles tend to eat up scopes due to their “double recoil” effect and constant turret adjustments.

So I finally purchased one, they usually list between $300.00 and $350.00, and am very impressed with the performance of the optic for that price range. The Nikko Stirling scopes are also part of the Howa rifle packages, and can be viewed at many Gander Mountain outlets that carry the Howa line.



To start off it’s the Targetmaster model; 6-24X 56mm objective 30mm tube, side focus illuminated extended mildot (11 aiming / ranging points rather than the standard 9 per crosshair), 1/8th inch adjustment resettable to zero push pull target turreted scope. It also sports an ocular adjustment, comes with a 4.5” sunshade, and includes flip up style lens covers.

There are 3 different reticles to choose from, I prefer the classic mildot style reticle (Depending on the model of Nikko, the mildot is calibrated at 10, 16, or 24X) http://www.nikkostirling.com/Content... v090212.pdf

There is a “Christmas tree” type LRX reticle http://www.nikkostirling.com/Content/PDF...e 3 col.pdf (every line equals 1” increments on 10X @ 100yards, 2” @ 200, etc. for ranging and for holdover).

And what Nikko calls an FT reticle. The FT appears to be a hybrid of the P4 reticle / mildot reticle that after doing a little resaarch on using the FT, provides a quick way to range and have an aiming point immediately available, for reference: http://www.nikkostirling.com/Content/PDF/FTreticle.pdf.
Every second line is near to the mildot equavilant for ranging @ the metric conversion, so those that utilize a mildot should be able to “convert” easily.

Some published stats of NIKKO STIRLING TARGETMASTER 6-24: 16.75” long, 21.25” with sunshade, 27.16 oz, FOV @ 100 yards 6X=17’ / 24X=4.8’, 3.5” – 4” eye relief.

One report claims 38 MOA of Elevation / windage adjustment. My findings are that there are 48 1/8” clicks per revolution, 14 full revolutions + 7 clicks from stop to stop on both the elevation and windage – a total of 679 clicks on each. The turrets are of the push pull design, tall, and are boldly / clearly marked with numerals up to #5 on elevation (actually “6” when going to 0), and 0 to 3 on the windage both in the left or right adjustment, and also has an U and R with arrows on the turrets to confirm direction of adjustment. Adjustments were actually spot on and passed the box / ladder test, it tracked well. Adjustments of the turrets were loud clicks that not only could be heard well, but felt too. The turret had a slight bit of “mushiness” to it, but was rock solid when pushed into the locked position.

They are returnable to 0 by loosening a coin slotted retaining cap once the turret is in locked position, repositioning the 0 line on the turret to the arrow based on the base of the knob, then retightening the coin slotted cap.

Oddly, the side focus knob has a different style of text than the rest of the labeling. I thought that this gave it a slightly cheapening look; they should have matched the labeling across the item. However the side focus (10, 25, 50, 100 thru 500 yards and infinity) was spot on at the labed distances, adjustments was smooth and the focusing wasn’t too sensitive.

The side focus wheel shares the reticle illumination knob, which both has higher lobes for better manipulation. I found the combo knob very effiecient and give a clean appearance to the overall optic.

The scope has a “Nightforcey” look to it with trapezoidish lobes on all adjusting surfaces / turrets / knobs give it a bit of a “midevilish” look, and give a positive grip.



The magnification ring was / is a bit stiff, but smooth none the less. Looking through the optic, it was very bright with edge to edge clarity....right up to 23X, which was impressive as many scopes in a higher price range don’t perform that well at higher magnification. Even at full 24X, the amount of graying is minimal.

The glass etched SFP reticle is a mildot design, and properly ranged at 10X. The illuminated reticle has 11 red settings with the lowest setting being dull enough not to ruin your nightvision or overpower the sight picture if actually used at night, and only the center of the floating reticle illuminates. There are 2 additional dots per crosshair giving 2 extra holdovers / ranging dots. The dots seem to be smaller than standard, but are spaced appropriately. The cross hairs themselves are thin, and didn’t obscure smaller targets at distance.



The glass is coated in what Nikko calls “Mirolux”. After a little digging I found it is a coating that reduces glare and is actually the name of a meter that is used to test the amount of roadsign / marking reflectivety and a coating that is used on opthamology equipment. Some digging also revealed that the glass is made in Japan, assembly and distribution is through China.

The matte finish of the scope could have been a little better in my opinion, but was even throughout the item and the sunshade was a perfect match. Once mounted, the optic didn’t seem too “cartoonish” considering the size of it, except maybe with the sunshade on. The sunshade has ridges / serrations on the interior to also help reduce glare.



The ocular adjustment was smooth and adjusted the clarity of the reticle and somewhat adjusted the eye relief. The eye relief also didn’t seem to be over sensitive.

The scope comes with see thru flip up lens covers, which are a bit on the low quality side and I have replaced them by Weaver Polar caps. The scope that I received actually came with a Millett cap on the objective identical to the LRS / TRS line by Millett, which leads me wonder if true origin of the Nikko and the Millet are one and the same.

The only things I would add or change is the side focus lettering to match the other turrets, graduation / stadia marks that can be viewed when the turrts are in the pulled position to let you know how many times you are past 0, and a ¼” or adjustment option to keep from turning the knobs excessively at longer distances.

All things considered, the Nikko Sterling Targetmaster appears to be a good value and offers many desirable features in its price range, along with a lifetime warranty. Any warranty issues are handled by Legacy Sports International, the distributor / importer of the scopes to the US and other countries.

Though a few minor touches could have been improved, I’m very pleased with the purchase, on par with or exceed several higher priced scopes I’ve recently purchased, compared side by side (returning the others) in the clarity - brightness catagory, and will be adding Nikko Stirling to the list of optics to use for my next rifle, whether it is a rim or centerfire.
 
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Mr. Grubbs, here's a review on SH by TopPredator for something you may like in a variable to 24X. Read the entire thread. Sounds like a lot of features in a 30mm tube for $300-350, and seems to do well under recoil. Also comes in 10-50X60 for a few bucks more.

Sounds like it has mil dot reticle but MOA turrets? Did I read that right?
 
and unless you happen to load your own exactly like the loads were that established the elevation points, use exactly the same type of weapon, under exactly the same weather conditions, you'll have some serious guesswork on your hands. You'll be happier and better served in the long run getting something with MOA or MIL hashes.

Well put.

Mark H.
 
There aren't many higher mag scopes under $500 I'd recommend, with the exception of the Vortex Viper PA 6.5-20x50. It is a gem at around $450. Excellent tracking, very good glass for its price and best warranty. Since it has moa turrets, it is probably best used as an moa-dot reticle (so they match) as either 5moa subtentions at 10x, 4moa at 12.5x, or 2.5moa at 20x. It is 1mil at 14x. Again, for a variable under $500 in that mag range, it's about the only one that would get my money. Just my 2cents.
 
If you are shooting things that aren't moving at 400 yds, you can't beat the Sightron 36x42 for not much over $300 used or on sale. I've been using it on my 308 out to 900 yards with great success. Just replaced it with a NF 15-55X 52 Competition. --Jerry
 
The Nikon line of AR scopes is actually pretty good glass but it won't take long for you to hate the BDC reticule. I learned that one the hard way with a 4-16x42 223 scope. At 300 yards or so you'll find that BDC dot will cover up a small target pretty good, and unless you happen to load your own exactly like the loads were that established the elevation points, use exactly the same type of weapon, under exactly the same weather conditions, you'll have some serious guesswork on your hands. You'll be happier and better served in the long run getting something with MOA or MIL hashes.

Check Armslist.com to see what might be out there used or follow some of the suggestions above that mentioned Weaver, Bushnell, and used Monarchs. I'd try to avoid the Burris and BSA type stuff. You have a chance of getting a good one, but just a chance.

Or just use the Nikon App for 5$. I for one am a fan of a nikon scope + Nikon app in the budget arena. You can input your own loads and they have lots of factory ammo stored.
 
Sounds like it has mil dot reticle but MOA turrets? Did I read that right?

correct.

another super cheap, but better than expected scope is the Wmart centerpoint 4-16 for 70.00 when it comes to the lower priced scopes. nothing i'd stake my life on, but surprisingly good enough for critter getting on a .223, leaving more $ left for ammo.

for 150.00 range the bsa mildot scope at midway, same body size and features as the mueller, with a mildot reticle.

250.00 - 350.00 gets very competitive with many choices these days, especially when looking at what's on sale. hard to beat a nikon or redfield that falls in that range depending on what you need vs. what you want.
 
I have that same scope on my AR15. That is one scope that will not leave my rifle. When I confine the discussion to optics I can actually afford to buy, The Viper is the best one I have tried. If he takes up on your offer He will be a happy shooter.


I've been talking to him and pretty sure I will be taking it off his hands.

Scope found!
 
I have that same scope on my AR15. That is one scope that will not leave my rifle. When I confine the discussion to optics I can actually afford to buy, The Viper is the best one I have tried. If he takes up on your offer He will be a happy shooter.


I've been talking to him and pretty sure I will be taking it off his hands.

Scope found!
 
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Fair enough. Any ideas on scopes in the same price range as the Primary? You all likely know much better than me. I like the FFP idea of the Primary, but if I can find good glass with better magnification in the same price range, that might be the way to go.

Sorry, I am very indecisive. As of this moment the PA is top of the list.

I'll probably get laughed at for this, but I had a Falcon Menace 5-25x50 FFP with the ML16 reticle and .1 MRAD turrets. It was surprisingly a really good scope for the money. I shot out to 1000 yds with it fairly regularly. Glass was decent and the turrets, while feeling a little mushy compared to my S&B that I replaced it with, still seemed to track just fine. I had that scope for a couple of years with no issues.

See here: SWFA Riflescopes Falcon Menace Riflescopes

Again, its not in the same league as a NF, Leupold, or even a PST. But for $450, it was hard to beat for a 25x variable FFP with a real mil dot reticle. They now offer a 5-25x56 offering for $50 more.

I was very impressed with it and its certainly worth a look.
 
Damn at all the offers!

I think I am going to give the Primary Arms FFP a shot!

Hopefully the XTR rings and EGW one piece will suffice?

Thanks fellas

I think you'll regret it there red dot is a POS and there magnifier was shit to why not buy the vortex viper hs it'll serve you well with a strong warranty while I'm sure primary arms will say "that blows" or "good luck next time" vortex will fix shit.
 
I have one of the PA 1x-4x scopes on my AR and when I ordered it I made a mistake on the mount that I wanted and they called me to verify what I wanted. They then made the correction. How many companies do you know will go that extra mile to be sure you get what want. The scope itself works very well for me and the uses I have for it.
 
Dear whoever voted for the Primary 4-14FFP :

I bought one. And I only have this to say :

I will never buy anything other than their red dots(for my 22lr) again.

At 8x magnification it got pretty nasty looking. At 10x it was sad. At 12x it looked like a bad painting. At 14x I'd have a hard time making out a silhouette. Seriously, the scopes that come on rifles when you buy them at a sporting goods store has better clarity.

Thank God they have nice CS and are going to refund my money.