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Create a channel Learn moreNo not yet. Just basing off pictures and talking to people who looked through them. Haven't had a chance to see them first hand but am willing to give them a shot if they hold up. Im running NL pures right now but if these look anywhere close to as good, they would be an easy buy.I take it you've looked through these?
These are VERY, VERY different from the Sig. Having had all of the major 10X players side-by-side for a couple weeks, it's not a close comparison at all. I know there will be people that don't believe this no matter what we say, but they are incredibly different. Don't let one set of binos spoil you on all the others.
Like we say in the video, ANYTHING with a LRF that displays data has a film on the glass that allows you to cast the image, and the better resolution you want with the displayed data, you either need a stronger emitter, more opacity in the film, or both. It's simply how it works. Casting a display onto unfilmed glass is going to produce a very poor display. Vectronix did a very good job on the film.emitter balance, and interestingly only used the film in the right barrel of the binos. A smart way to get a better overall image, but it is going to produce some single-eye camera images that are less impressive than reality.No not yet. Just basing off pictures and talking to people who looked through them. Haven't had a chance to see them first hand but am willing to give them a shot if they hold up. Im running NL pures right now but if these look anywhere close to as good, they would be an easy buy.
With the insight we have into production volumes and plausible demand, I don't think these will be exceptionally hard to get when you decide you want some. Maybe for the first couple months, but by Christmas I think these will be readily available from several sources.After watching that video: my PTSD from my set of Sig 10Ks is coming back. I was absolutely and utterly disappointed with those binos. What a POS.
I guess we will have to wait and see what they look like once the masses receive them. For now, I held off on committing to preordering on EO.
I figured this was fairly common... Vortex did this with the Fury'sVectronix did a very good job on the film.emitter balance, and interestingly only used the film in the right barrel of the binos. A smart way to get a better overall image, but it is going to produce some single-eye camera images that are less impressive than reality.
I figured this was fairly common... Vortex did this with the Fury's
Are those EL Ranges or Geovids@ the 4:44 mark?
We had the new Swaro, new Leica, new Revic, Vortex Fury, and Sig 10k units, alongside these, for 2-3 weeks. ONE unit had a tint that you looked through and went "woah". One unit, the least expensive, had "meh" glass. The other 4 were VERY good. I could likely hand anyone here any of those 4 units and you'd go "oh yeah, this is solid, I can dig this" - even though you've seen a photo posted somewhere that you may not have liked. I could post a blue tint photo for any LRF bino made, because of the way LRF binos and camera lenses work.I’ll buy as long as there is no blue vision. Can’t even have a tint to it. Needs to be clear and crisp. Swaro and Leica can execute then why not?
When we had them all together, the Swaro still has the best glass. Resolution, brightness, clarity - Swarovski is the glass standard for a reason. The tech side is a bit soft, but damn they make great glass.Currently running Swaro TA’s 8x - the FoV and resolution are second to none. Maybe my OG vector stays with it on a IQ perspective but the newest Leica was far behind the Swaros.
3k is a chunk. We will see where they stack up.
How long did you look through the vectors? I’m worried about looking through them for hours and getting eye fatigue, possibly a headache. This would be while hunting in the west.When we had them all together, the Swaro still has the best glass. Resolution, brightness, clarity - Swarovski is the glass standard for a reason. The tech side is a bit soft, but damn they make great glass.
I can't say we did this. Would do 5-10 minutes, talking through what we were seeing, what we were doing, and taking notes so that the videos could be as good as possible. One of us, wether me or Zach or Nathan, will likely end up spending a full day on them this summer at a match or two, though that's on/off vs the endless staring that you may do on a hunt.How long did you look through the vectors? I’m worried about looking through them for hours and getting eye fatigue, possibly a headache. This would be while hunting in the west.
With the insight we have into production volumes and plausible demand, I don't think these will be exceptionally hard to get when you decide you want some. Maybe for the first couple months, but by Christmas I think these will be readily available from several sources.
There are going to be a limited number of dealers with them initially, with all of us receiving at the same time in June/July. I'm probably missing someone, but we will have them, Euro, maybe Mile High, maybe a couple other of the larger optics houses.I might have missed it, but what is the expected in-stock/shipping date for you guys? For the lrf themselves, and/or with extensions?
Made in SlovakiaWhere are they made?
Welcome to the world of optics. Where the color of your own eyes can determine your experience with lens coatings.God dammit you guys
Glass is “VERY good”
“Underwhelmed with glass…..nowhere near Leica or Swaro”
Why can’t I give someone more money for great glass + great electronics?
They are uniquely blue. As I've said like 15 times in this thread, EVERYTHING has a film, and they're all some version of blue/gray, that's just how LRF binos work. For most of them, your eye doesn't naturally detect it, as the eye is an AMAZING thing.JFC... The sig10ks are atrocious
I hear you. But there's not really a big argument over Leica Geovids or Swaro EL Range TA's. General consensus is that glass is good in those. Yeah, Pures (or other non BLRF) are better, but it's pretty consistent how people rate the Big 3/alpha brands' Bino LRFs. I can sit behind my Geovids for hours while hunting. I've never noticed any blue tint, and I've never heard or read of anyone experiencing blue tint with Geovids (yes, I know the laser is external) - just an example that there's no controversy with those.Welcome to the world of optics. Where the color of your own eyes can determine your experience with lens coatings.
JFC... The sig10ks are atrocious
Edit: honestly, why even bother labeling the Sigs... Everyone knows exactly which one they are.
Just posted this to IG/FB, with the following note:
6-Way LRF Bino Shootout - Coming tomorrow…
Our unit is a pre-production. The only expected differences in ours and serial production though are in the laser. Ours is Euro spec (weaker, by law), is not perfectly centered on the etched reticle (they had to make the pre-pro run before building the alignment tool) and the internal laser algorithm has not been calibrated for use with the extenders.Why do a shootout with a pre-production model?
Cause that’s what you guys have, right?
Aren’t they changing a few things for the production one? Like laser? And display?
The Sig 10k wins as it makes me feel like I’m in the Caribbean. Obviously guys SMDH lusersJust posted this to IG/FB, with the following note:
6-Way LRF Bino Shootout - Coming tomorrow…
Note: The hardest part of this video was taking images through the binos. Getting focus, eye relief, full field of view, etc, with cameras, is almost impossible. Also, the ways cameras and our eyes see and process are very different. The image you see here is the result of tons of trial and error, and then hand processing images to make them as indicative of the actual picture as possible. In every image there is certainly something that we could go back and nitpick, or something that isn’t as representative as it possibly could be, so understand that there is no replacement for trying to find a unit and look through it with your own eyes.
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Anyone seen this yet? Curious how the two will compare.
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How much less blue tint ?These are night and day compared to the current model. Not sure how much I can leak though. So I can't really answer any questions.
How come in the large hi rez version the Leica pic doesn’t have the red aiming dot like the small pic does? Not suggesting anything nefarious.Just posted this to IG/FB, with the following note:
6-Way LRF Bino Shootout - Coming tomorrow…
Note: The hardest part of this video was taking images through the binos. Getting focus, eye relief, full field of view, etc, with cameras, is almost impossible. Also, the ways cameras and our eyes see and process are very different. The image you see here is the result of tons of trial and error, and then hand processing images to make them as indicative of the actual picture as possible. In every image there is certainly something that we could go back and nitpick, or something that isn’t as representative as it possibly could be, so understand that there is no replacement for trying to find a unit and look through it with your own eyes.
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Hmmm the Sig big one looks less saturated as well.How come in the large hi rez version the Leica pic doesn’t have the red aiming dot like the small pic does? Not suggesting anything nefarious.
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They are both frames from that video. One (the small one) had gone through a FB messenger compression. Nice catch, I thought I had exactly the same file both ways.Hmmm the Sig big one looks less saturated as well.
Here guys, this will be my last post on this thread, as I’ll focus on the videos and posts on our SM pages.
The 6-bino shootout, in the most fair, representative, open way we could do them. I’ll say, this may have been the most difficult to make video we’ve done, simply because of the amount and nature of the content, some of the strong feelings we knew we would encounter, and how dang hard it is to show glass through a camera.
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Here guys, this will be my last post on this thread, as I’ll focus on the videos and posts on our SM pages.
The 6-bino shootout, in the most fair, representative, open way we could do them. I’ll say, this may have been the most difficult to make video we’ve done, simply because of the amount and nature of the content, some of the strong feelings we knew we would encounter, and how dang hard it is to show glass through a camera.
Brother you are talking to people who have owned and spent time behind EVERY LRF, Spotter and binos out there. We know what to expect and we know the difference between good glass, bad glass, tinted glass, bright glass, ect.They are uniquely blue. As I've said like 15 times in this thread, EVERYTHING has a film, and they're all some version of blue/gray, that's just how LRF binos work. For most of them, your eye doesn't naturally detect it, as the eye is an AMAZING thing.
But one unit is, well, different.
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