Rifle Scopes Video from Zeiss optics factory
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background. </div></div>
also note that Schott is owned by Zeiss......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background. </div></div>
also note that Schott is owned by Zeiss......
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those <span style="font-weight: bold">boxes on the shelves in the background</span>. </div></div>
also note that Schott is owned by Zeiss...... </div></div>
Duh.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those <span style="font-weight: bold">boxes on the shelves in the background</span>. </div></div>
also note that Schott is owned by Zeiss...... </div></div>
Duh.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background.</div></div>
The Conquest scopes need glass too....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background.</div></div>
The Conquest scopes need glass too....
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
Last time I heard Ohara Japan makes glass for some of the most expensive camera lenses out of Japan.
Last time I heard Ohara Japan makes glass for some of the most expensive camera lenses out of Japan.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
There is absolutely nothing wrong with top of the line japanese glass. Any one of the big manufacturers will deliver quality material as specified, the only thing that is wrong is the cult about local origin and company ownership that surrounds the subject.
For example, the raw glass blocks that are marked "BK-7" (Schott designation) could also be sourced from Hoya (named "BSC 7") or Ohara ("BSL7"). It's a material with technical specifications that can be measured and verified, and if those specs are met, the material will behave the same no matter who made it. Sorry, no fairy dust involved. That's my whole point.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with top of the line japanese glass. Any one of the big manufacturers will deliver quality material as specified, the only thing that is wrong is the cult about local origin and company ownership that surrounds the subject.
For example, the raw glass blocks that are marked "BK-7" (Schott designation) could also be sourced from Hoya (named "BSC 7") or Ohara ("BSL7"). It's a material with technical specifications that can be measured and verified, and if those specs are met, the material will behave the same no matter who made it. Sorry, no fairy dust involved. That's my whole point.
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David S, I agree, it's the specifications that matter and not where the glass comes from. I believe that the worlds best scope could be made in China....it's all about the specs used and the trained individuals assembling it. However, I am more comfortable with it being made in Germany than China.
Do you mind telling us the maker of the raw glass Premier uses?
David S, I agree, it's the specifications that matter and not where the glass comes from. I believe that the worlds best scope could be made in China....it's all about the specs used and the trained individuals assembling it. However, I am more comfortable with it being made in Germany than China.
Do you mind telling us the maker of the raw glass Premier uses?
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is absolutely nothing wrong with top of the line japanese glass. Any one of the big manufacturers will deliver quality material as specified, the only thing that is wrong is the cult about local origin and company ownership that surrounds the subject.
For example, the raw glass blocks that are marked "BK-7" (Schott designation) could also be sourced from Hoya (named "BSC 7") or Ohara ("BSL7"). It's a material with technical specifications that can be measured and verified, and if those specs are met, the material will behave the same no matter who made it. Sorry, no fairy dust involved. That's my whole point. </div></div>
The fairy dust is in the technology in the coatings, as well as how the glass is ground.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is absolutely nothing wrong with top of the line japanese glass. Any one of the big manufacturers will deliver quality material as specified, the only thing that is wrong is the cult about local origin and company ownership that surrounds the subject.
For example, the raw glass blocks that are marked "BK-7" (Schott designation) could also be sourced from Hoya (named "BSC 7") or Ohara ("BSL7"). It's a material with technical specifications that can be measured and verified, and if those specs are met, the material will behave the same no matter who made it. Sorry, no fairy dust involved. That's my whole point. </div></div>
The fairy dust is in the technology in the coatings, as well as how the glass is ground.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
fairy dust is also in the the foundry source where the sand for the glass originates from..top Ohara glass comes from one guarded source near Mt. Fuji. The best glass from Schott comes out of the Czech Republic( also whe origin of the Hubble telescope glass) and supposedly Schmidt and Bender has an exclusive source for their glass.. So yes I do beleive in fairy dust glass.
fairy dust is also in the the foundry source where the sand for the glass originates from..top Ohara glass comes from one guarded source near Mt. Fuji. The best glass from Schott comes out of the Czech Republic( also whe origin of the Hubble telescope glass) and supposedly Schmidt and Bender has an exclusive source for their glass.. So yes I do beleive in fairy dust glass.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fairy dust is in the technology in the coatings, as well as how the glass is ground. </div></div>
This is the key.....Schott is owned by Zeiss
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fairy dust is in the technology in the coatings, as well as how the glass is ground. </div></div>
This is the key.....Schott is owned by Zeiss
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
Zeiss is huge. Their sporting optics are probably just a hobby, to them. Look into their medical and industrial measuring machines. Not surprising they own a source of fine glass.
+1 on the coatings, they can make or break a perfect optical component.
Zeiss is huge. Their sporting optics are probably just a hobby, to them. Look into their medical and industrial measuring machines. Not surprising they own a source of fine glass.
+1 on the coatings, they can make or break a perfect optical component.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILYA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[...]
2) Origin of raw glass is the most overhyped attribute of a riflescope design, I have seen to date. There are several top notch raw glass makers out there who will all provide similar quality raw glass to you for about the same money [...]
ILya </div></div>Quoted from this this thread.
This is all I was getting at. Interesting that people find it necessary to threaten me via PM for a statement about physical vs. esotheric properties of materials.
If somebody told you that a bullet will have a flatter trajectory because the copper in the jacket comes from a certain mine in Papua New Guinea that is owned by the bullet manufacturer, would you buy it, without asking for the bullet weight, BC etc.? That is exactly what people do when they buy glass based on the name of the manufacturer of the raw material.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILYA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[...]
2) Origin of raw glass is the most overhyped attribute of a riflescope design, I have seen to date. There are several top notch raw glass makers out there who will all provide similar quality raw glass to you for about the same money [...]
ILya </div></div>Quoted from this this thread.
This is all I was getting at. Interesting that people find it necessary to threaten me via PM for a statement about physical vs. esotheric properties of materials.
If somebody told you that a bullet will have a flatter trajectory because the copper in the jacket comes from a certain mine in Papua New Guinea that is owned by the bullet manufacturer, would you buy it, without asking for the bullet weight, BC etc.? That is exactly what people do when they buy glass based on the name of the manufacturer of the raw material.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">David S, I agree, it's the specifications that matter and not where the glass comes from. I believe that the worlds best scope could be made in China....it's all about the specs used and the trained individuals assembling it. However, I am more comfortable with it being made in Germany than China.
Do you mind telling us the maker of the raw glass Premier uses? </div></div>
No kidding on the individuals that assemble them,after seeing this we need a comparison video from a Chinese Maker.In Engrish of Course.You can have the best machines in the world,still comes down to the operators.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">David S, I agree, it's the specifications that matter and not where the glass comes from. I believe that the worlds best scope could be made in China....it's all about the specs used and the trained individuals assembling it. However, I am more comfortable with it being made in Germany than China.
Do you mind telling us the maker of the raw glass Premier uses? </div></div>
No kidding on the individuals that assemble them,after seeing this we need a comparison video from a Chinese Maker.In Engrish of Course.You can have the best machines in the world,still comes down to the operators.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
Skipping over the whole "source of glass", I myself was very impressed with the love the employs had for their company. That in itself assures quality when personal pride is put into an end product. I've used Zeiss products for years. I even have an old monocular from the 50s that I still use. It's been through multiple military schools, evaluations, and deployments, and you know what? I believe the glass is far greater than a lot of modern optics. When you buy a Zeiss product, you buy a product for life. That is why they are a standard. Not only do they put out a great product now, but they have for the past century and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
Skipping over the whole "source of glass", I myself was very impressed with the love the employs had for their company. That in itself assures quality when personal pride is put into an end product. I've used Zeiss products for years. I even have an old monocular from the 50s that I still use. It's been through multiple military schools, evaluations, and deployments, and you know what? I believe the glass is far greater than a lot of modern optics. When you buy a Zeiss product, you buy a product for life. That is why they are a standard. Not only do they put out a great product now, but they have for the past century and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III
No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III</div></div>
John, where in the video? Don't want to rewatch 28 minutes of it to see.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III</div></div>
John, where in the video? Don't want to rewatch 28 minutes of it to see.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background.</div></div>
The Conquest scopes need glass too.... </div></div>
This was my understanding as well. The conquests are cheaper than other zeiss scopes because they source some stuff from the pacific rim for them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background.</div></div>
The Conquest scopes need glass too.... </div></div>
This was my understanding as well. The conquests are cheaper than other zeiss scopes because they source some stuff from the pacific rim for them.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background.</div></div>
The Conquest scopes need glass too.... </div></div>
This was my understanding as well. The conquests are cheaper than other zeiss scopes because they source some stuff from the pacific rim for them. </div></div>
Somebody had told me a while back the Conquest line was assembled in the USA ? The way the rumors fly in the optics trade,no telling.Does anybody know for sure ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those obsessed with the origin of raw glass should have a hard look at 5:00-6:50 and note the company name on all those boxes on the shelves in the background.</div></div>
The Conquest scopes need glass too.... </div></div>
This was my understanding as well. The conquests are cheaper than other zeiss scopes because they source some stuff from the pacific rim for them. </div></div>
Somebody had told me a while back the Conquest line was assembled in the USA ? The way the rumors fly in the optics trade,no telling.Does anybody know for sure ?
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III</div></div>
John, where in the video? Don't want to rewatch 28 minutes of it to see. </div></div>
About 3:10
John III
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III</div></div>
John, where in the video? Don't want to rewatch 28 minutes of it to see. </div></div>
About 3:10
John III
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id REALLY like to compare the Zeiss factory to the NF or USO factory. i bet they are like garden sheds in comparison </div></div>
Other than a Hensoldt, the products that come out of the "sheds" are more useful feature-wise than any Zeiss I've seen...and certainly durable.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id REALLY like to compare the Zeiss factory to the NF or USO factory. i bet they are like garden sheds in comparison </div></div>
Other than a Hensoldt, the products that come out of the "sheds" are more useful feature-wise than any Zeiss I've seen...and certainly durable.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
very cool video. having everyone also shooters helps a bit too
very cool video. having everyone also shooters helps a bit too
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Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id REALLY like to compare the Zeiss factory to the NF or USO factory. i bet they are like garden sheds in comparison </div></div>
Other than a Hensoldt, the products that come out of the "sheds" are more useful feature-wise than any Zeiss I've seen...and certainly durable.</div></div>
I have a USO SSDS 3.5-15x44 with 30mm tube and had a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 with 1-inch tube and the optics were noticably brighter than my USO. I'm not knocking the optical quality of the USO because it is great in its own right but I think even the Zeiss Conquest glass is optically superior to USO's although mine is a few years old maybe a newer USO has a different coating that enhances the brightness. Ive never looked through NF but I imagine Zeiss is on par or better than NF's glass.
And to those that think all Jap outsourced glass is junk you need to do more research into some of the quality glass that comes out of japan. I do outdoor photography in my free time and all my gear is Nikon all my lenses are Nikon with a variety of lenses that cost more than 3k dollars while im no pro in anything I do know a little bit more than the average folk about looking through a lens. Nikon's pro grade glass is just as good as Zeiss, Leica or Swarovski. Most professional photographers pictures that you look at in magazines are taken through either Nikon or Canon glass both are Japanese companies. Takahashi telescopes are widely considered the very best of any telescopes currently produced and most backyard astronomers that are serious about astro-photography save up a few years pay to buy one because they set the standard in astro-photography and unless you cant save up a few billion dollars and buy your own Hubble Telescope, Takahashi is your only option.
The "Quality" Japanese glass is every bit as good or better than German produced glass. Sure they use lower quality glass on economy grade optics which is a practice most companies do but if you buy a 3k DSLR camera lens from Nikon you can rest assured its built like a tank and will take optically perfect pictures as long as the guy behind it does his or her part and its totally built in Japan so saying all Jap stuff is junk that person has no clue what they are talking about. Heck even most High Def movies that you watch are filmed using Nikon glass or Canon glass so there is plenty proof that the japs are doing something right in regards to optics.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id REALLY like to compare the Zeiss factory to the NF or USO factory. i bet they are like garden sheds in comparison </div></div>
Other than a Hensoldt, the products that come out of the "sheds" are more useful feature-wise than any Zeiss I've seen...and certainly durable.</div></div>
I have a USO SSDS 3.5-15x44 with 30mm tube and had a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 with 1-inch tube and the optics were noticably brighter than my USO. I'm not knocking the optical quality of the USO because it is great in its own right but I think even the Zeiss Conquest glass is optically superior to USO's although mine is a few years old maybe a newer USO has a different coating that enhances the brightness. Ive never looked through NF but I imagine Zeiss is on par or better than NF's glass.
And to those that think all Jap outsourced glass is junk you need to do more research into some of the quality glass that comes out of japan. I do outdoor photography in my free time and all my gear is Nikon all my lenses are Nikon with a variety of lenses that cost more than 3k dollars while im no pro in anything I do know a little bit more than the average folk about looking through a lens. Nikon's pro grade glass is just as good as Zeiss, Leica or Swarovski. Most professional photographers pictures that you look at in magazines are taken through either Nikon or Canon glass both are Japanese companies. Takahashi telescopes are widely considered the very best of any telescopes currently produced and most backyard astronomers that are serious about astro-photography save up a few years pay to buy one because they set the standard in astro-photography and unless you cant save up a few billion dollars and buy your own Hubble Telescope, Takahashi is your only option.
The "Quality" Japanese glass is every bit as good or better than German produced glass. Sure they use lower quality glass on economy grade optics which is a practice most companies do but if you buy a 3k DSLR camera lens from Nikon you can rest assured its built like a tank and will take optically perfect pictures as long as the guy behind it does his or her part and its totally built in Japan so saying all Jap stuff is junk that person has no clue what they are talking about. Heck even most High Def movies that you watch are filmed using Nikon glass or Canon glass so there is plenty proof that the japs are doing something right in regards to optics.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id REALLY like to compare the Zeiss factory to the NF or USO factory. i bet they are like garden sheds in comparison </div></div>
Other than a Hensoldt, the products that come out of the "sheds" are more useful feature-wise than any Zeiss I've seen...and certainly durable. </div></div>
You obviously have not used or owned a "Good" Zeiss Scope then.Other than the Color Coded turrets,and non-military coating,Slightly different mildot reticle,My Zeiss Diavari 6-24 is the same as the comparable Hensoldt SFP model.From what I understand,the Newer Models have gone to MOA knobs,and no more mildot on the Zeiss Diavari.The price is also $2900 compared to the Hensoldt at $3500.If I were buying new at today's prices,I would just pony up the extra $600 for the Henny.The Optic quality is everything you would expect from a Top Shelf scope.You don't hear much about these breaking either,or even the Conquest for that matter.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id REALLY like to compare the Zeiss factory to the NF or USO factory. i bet they are like garden sheds in comparison </div></div>
Other than a Hensoldt, the products that come out of the "sheds" are more useful feature-wise than any Zeiss I've seen...and certainly durable. </div></div>
You obviously have not used or owned a "Good" Zeiss Scope then.Other than the Color Coded turrets,and non-military coating,Slightly different mildot reticle,My Zeiss Diavari 6-24 is the same as the comparable Hensoldt SFP model.From what I understand,the Newer Models have gone to MOA knobs,and no more mildot on the Zeiss Diavari.The price is also $2900 compared to the Hensoldt at $3500.If I were buying new at today's prices,I would just pony up the extra $600 for the Henny.The Optic quality is everything you would expect from a Top Shelf scope.You don't hear much about these breaking either,or even the Conquest for that matter.
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While you are correct that the 6-24 Diavari is similar its no where near the same.....differences, Hensoldt has mil spec abrasion resistant coatings, internals are different and more robust, the illumination system is completely different (micro processor vs. rheostat), different turret system. But the glass is still the same, just different coatings. The Diavari is made right along side the Hensoldts
While you are correct that the 6-24 Diavari is similar its no where near the same.....differences, Hensoldt has mil spec abrasion resistant coatings, internals are different and more robust, the illumination system is completely different (micro processor vs. rheostat), different turret system. But the glass is still the same, just different coatings. The Diavari is made right along side the Hensoldts
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While you are correct that the 6-24 Diavari is similar its no where near the same.....differences, Hensoldt has mil spec abrasion resistant coatings, internals are different and more robust, the illumination system is completely different (micro processor vs. rheostat), different turret system. But the glass is still the same, just different coatings. The Diavari is made right along side the Hensoldts </div></div>
Are the internals that much more different with only a $600 price difference ? I would think just the Coatings,Turrets,and illumination system would eat that much up alone in a hurry.The internal adjustment also seems to be the same.The price diff between the older ones and the Henny used to be over $1000.
Not that it matters,just curiosity.More than happy with everything about it.Glass like this will ruin you once you have used it.Definitely a place for a Hensoldt in my future.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While you are correct that the 6-24 Diavari is similar its no where near the same.....differences, Hensoldt has mil spec abrasion resistant coatings, internals are different and more robust, the illumination system is completely different (micro processor vs. rheostat), different turret system. But the glass is still the same, just different coatings. The Diavari is made right along side the Hensoldts </div></div>
Are the internals that much more different with only a $600 price difference ? I would think just the Coatings,Turrets,and illumination system would eat that much up alone in a hurry.The internal adjustment also seems to be the same.The price diff between the older ones and the Henny used to be over $1000.
Not that it matters,just curiosity.More than happy with everything about it.Glass like this will ruin you once you have used it.Definitely a place for a Hensoldt in my future.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
diavari has brass internals..hensoldt has steel internals. pull the knobs off and its visible too.
diavari has brass internals..hensoldt has steel internals. pull the knobs off and its visible too.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III </div></div>
I wonder if Zeiss method has something to do with not to bend tube at all while machining.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III </div></div>
I wonder if Zeiss method has something to do with not to bend tube at all while machining.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III </div></div>
I wonder if Zeiss method has something to do with not to bend tube at all while machining. </div></div>
Those tubes shown in the video have the integral mounting rail, you simply cannot lathe turn that shape, so there needs to be a final milling step to create the rail. Milling a round tube without necessity would be ludicrous on several levels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III </div></div>
I wonder if Zeiss method has something to do with not to bend tube at all while machining. </div></div>
Those tubes shown in the video have the integral mounting rail, you simply cannot lathe turn that shape, so there needs to be a final milling step to create the rail. Milling a round tube without necessity would be ludicrous on several levels.
Re: Video from Zeiss optics factory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III </div></div>
I wonder if Zeiss method has something to do with not to bend tube at all while machining. </div></div>
Those tubes shown in the video have the integral mounting rail, you simply cannot lathe turn that shape, so there needs to be a final milling step to create the rail. Milling a round tube without necessity would be ludicrous on several levels. </div></div>
but i did see a few of them with the integral mounting systems, i cant for the life of me figure out why it would be ludicrous on several levels to mill the scope body
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBW#3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder they are so expensive, milling the tubes like that is not very productive!
John III </div></div>
I wonder if Zeiss method has something to do with not to bend tube at all while machining. </div></div>
Those tubes shown in the video have the integral mounting rail, you simply cannot lathe turn that shape, so there needs to be a final milling step to create the rail. Milling a round tube without necessity would be ludicrous on several levels. </div></div>
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