Anyone compared the Vortex to Nightforce or Swarovski or Minox? What magnification and what did you think?
Rifle Scopes Vortex compared to other scopes
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Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
This is getting fun....you are a day late and a dollar short. There are quite a few threads in progress now.
Keep looking here in the optics section.
Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all. That's apples to oranges. Vortex is good but I'm inclined to tell you not THAT good.
Minox, I can not speak about as I have no experiance with that.
Vortex is a great midrange unit. Very nice glass. Magnification is going to be based on the shooting you plan for the rifle.
This is getting fun....you are a day late and a dollar short. There are quite a few threads in progress now.
Keep looking here in the optics section.
Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all. That's apples to oranges. Vortex is good but I'm inclined to tell you not THAT good.
Minox, I can not speak about as I have no experiance with that.
Vortex is a great midrange unit. Very nice glass. Magnification is going to be based on the shooting you plan for the rifle.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
You say "Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all."
Which is better and why? What do you base your opinion on?
You say "Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all."
Which is better and why? What do you base your opinion on?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all. That's apples to oranges. Vortex is good but I'm inclined to tell you not THAT good.</div></div>
You do realize that Vortex makes several different product lines and that the Razor competes head to head quite nicely with the Nightforce, right?
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all. That's apples to oranges. Vortex is good but I'm inclined to tell you not THAT good.</div></div>
You do realize that Vortex makes several different product lines and that the Razor competes head to head quite nicely with the Nightforce, right?
John
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all. That's apples to oranges. Vortex is good but I'm inclined to tell you not THAT good.</div></div>
You do realize that Vortex makes several different product lines and that the Razor competes head to head quite nicely with the Nightforce, right?
John </div></div>
Right you are, I've had PST and Viper on the brain all day. The Razor is in direct comp. with the Nightforce.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all. That's apples to oranges. Vortex is good but I'm inclined to tell you not THAT good.</div></div>
You do realize that Vortex makes several different product lines and that the Razor competes head to head quite nicely with the Nightforce, right?
John </div></div>
Right you are, I've had PST and Viper on the brain all day. The Razor is in direct comp. with the Nightforce.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Old man now</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You say "Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all."
Which is better and why? What do you base your opinion on? </div></div>
Well, John is right, the Razor, which escaped my train of thought, and, although I do not have one of those, is supposed to be very much in line with Nightforce.
Opinion, I have two Vipers. They both comapre to my VX-IIIs and Mk4 in every way quality wise and durability wise. Glass is on par with my USO ST10 so I believe that puts them pretty high. I do not own a Nightforce but I have had the pleasure of playing with a few owned by friends and my Vipers are not quite that good, but that is my opinon as some guys say their Leupys have better glass than the Nightforce, but I don't see it personally. The Swarovski (one spotter) glass is of course going to pass the Viper and PST, not sure about the Razor. It probably still does not compare to Schmidt...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Old man now</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You say "Nightforce or Swarovski not any comparison at all."
Which is better and why? What do you base your opinion on? </div></div>
Well, John is right, the Razor, which escaped my train of thought, and, although I do not have one of those, is supposed to be very much in line with Nightforce.
Opinion, I have two Vipers. They both comapre to my VX-IIIs and Mk4 in every way quality wise and durability wise. Glass is on par with my USO ST10 so I believe that puts them pretty high. I do not own a Nightforce but I have had the pleasure of playing with a few owned by friends and my Vipers are not quite that good, but that is my opinon as some guys say their Leupys have better glass than the Nightforce, but I don't see it personally. The Swarovski (one spotter) glass is of course going to pass the Viper and PST, not sure about the Razor. It probably still does not compare to Schmidt...
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Assuming you are talking about the pst line!
I have been told from a first hand user that his 2.5-10 optically was comparable maybe had the edge on a leupold VXIII at comparable mags. and better than the ior ( not sure which model he has ) and the Bushnell elite 4200 3-12 ffp model. Also, the pst model had better fit and finish than all mentioned.
This is not my comparison! What I have been told.
Since you weren't getting much just thought I throw that out there.
Assuming you are talking about the pst line!
I have been told from a first hand user that his 2.5-10 optically was comparable maybe had the edge on a leupold VXIII at comparable mags. and better than the ior ( not sure which model he has ) and the Bushnell elite 4200 3-12 ffp model. Also, the pst model had better fit and finish than all mentioned.
This is not my comparison! What I have been told.
Since you weren't getting much just thought I throw that out there.
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From what I've seen, you really can't compare a PST to a Nightforce or Swaro. The PST is going to compare very favorably to scopes in its price range and the Nightforce and Swaro compare favorably to scopes in their price range. Comparing the PST to a Nightforce or Swaro is like comparing apples and oranges.
The HD series of Vortex scopes are another matter and do compare favorably to scopes that are similarly priced. In fact, I do know one guy that sold his Nightforce to fund the purchase of a Vortex Razor.
I can't say anything about the Minox. To be truthful, I've never heard of them.
From what I've seen, you really can't compare a PST to a Nightforce or Swaro. The PST is going to compare very favorably to scopes in its price range and the Nightforce and Swaro compare favorably to scopes in their price range. Comparing the PST to a Nightforce or Swaro is like comparing apples and oranges.
The HD series of Vortex scopes are another matter and do compare favorably to scopes that are similarly priced. In fact, I do know one guy that sold his Nightforce to fund the purchase of a Vortex Razor.
I can't say anything about the Minox. To be truthful, I've never heard of them.
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Unless were talking about hunting scopes here Im not sure why Swarovski is even in this discussion?
Unless were talking about hunting scopes here Im not sure why Swarovski is even in this discussion?
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they way i look at it, i love the durability of NF, however it is pale in comparison of the costomer service of PST. Ill go with lower optics but better Costomer service. My next BIG scope will be the VortexHD line due to their outstanding costomer service.
they way i look at it, i love the durability of NF, however it is pale in comparison of the costomer service of PST. Ill go with lower optics but better Costomer service. My next BIG scope will be the VortexHD line due to their outstanding costomer service.
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Why wouldn't Swarovski be in the discussion? They are pretty tough scopes in their own rite. I don't think they're as tough as a Nightforce or the like, but they are tough. They'll take a good knock without loosing their zero. They do offer reticles with drop compensation. Although they don't come with "tactical" turrets per se, the adjustments do have very positive clicks and the scopes are water proof with the covers off. They are also zero resettable. If comparing the Z5 line to Nightforce scopes, the glass in the Swaros is better and they offer a wider field of view. It's a matter of what's important to you.
Me, I dumped the Swaros in favor of Nightforce because I wanted something super tough and the Nightforce does it for me.
Why wouldn't Swarovski be in the discussion? They are pretty tough scopes in their own rite. I don't think they're as tough as a Nightforce or the like, but they are tough. They'll take a good knock without loosing their zero. They do offer reticles with drop compensation. Although they don't come with "tactical" turrets per se, the adjustments do have very positive clicks and the scopes are water proof with the covers off. They are also zero resettable. If comparing the Z5 line to Nightforce scopes, the glass in the Swaros is better and they offer a wider field of view. It's a matter of what's important to you.
Me, I dumped the Swaros in favor of Nightforce because I wanted something super tough and the Nightforce does it for me.
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Did you notice if one has any better image quality than the other? How about after sunset, which is better?
Did you notice if one has any better image quality than the other? How about after sunset, which is better?
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the same price as the 5-25 S&B!
Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the same price as the 5-25 S&B!
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the<span style="color: #FF0000"> same price as the 5-25 S&B! </span> </div></div>
What kind of cigars you bin smoken
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the<span style="color: #FF0000"> same price as the 5-25 S&B! </span> </div></div>
What kind of cigars you bin smoken
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the<span style="color: #FF0000"> same price as the 5-25 S&B! </span> </div></div>
What kind of cigars you bin smoken
</div></div>
No kidding, was the gunshow in Eruope?? The Razors are $2000 new and a S&B 5-25 is above the 3grand line. Just saying,...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the<span style="color: #FF0000"> same price as the 5-25 S&B! </span> </div></div>
What kind of cigars you bin smoken
No kidding, was the gunshow in Eruope?? The Razors are $2000 new and a S&B 5-25 is above the 3grand line. Just saying,...
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Actually the 5-25s can be had for under $3000 if you shop around and call. I know a couple of Hide vendors who sell them for around $2900.
But that said the Razor is around $1800 street price from Hide vendors so there still is a good difference in cost.
For an optic in it's price range, the Razor is an excellent optic. Has all the features the shooter wants or needs and good reticle choices.
Actually the 5-25s can be had for under $3000 if you shop around and call. I know a couple of Hide vendors who sell them for around $2900.
But that said the Razor is around $1800 street price from Hide vendors so there still is a good difference in cost.
For an optic in it's price range, the Razor is an excellent optic. Has all the features the shooter wants or needs and good reticle choices.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
task specific, it depends on what your doing/setting up what will work best for you.
task specific, it depends on what your doing/setting up what will work best for you.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Glass on a NF is not amazing... Good enough but not awesome. I have a PST, Weaver Tacticals (2 of them), Elite 6500, Millet TRS-1, and had a nightforce. (sold it to buy 2 PST's.
Glass Ratings: Put them all to 15-16 power.
Weaver-NF tie leaning towards the weaver. (I said NF was not amazing, yes, but its also $1k more than all these scopes!)
Elite 6500.
PST. I have a 4-16 mounted now but have a 6-24 coming.
Millet
This is how I see all of these. I didn't read other peoples reviews to come to these conclusions. I own and use all of these.
Glass on a NF is not amazing... Good enough but not awesome. I have a PST, Weaver Tacticals (2 of them), Elite 6500, Millet TRS-1, and had a nightforce. (sold it to buy 2 PST's.
Glass Ratings: Put them all to 15-16 power.
Weaver-NF tie leaning towards the weaver. (I said NF was not amazing, yes, but its also $1k more than all these scopes!)
Elite 6500.
PST. I have a 4-16 mounted now but have a 6-24 coming.
Millet
This is how I see all of these. I didn't read other peoples reviews to come to these conclusions. I own and use all of these.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the<span style="color: #FF0000"> same price as the 5-25 S&B! </span> </div></div>
What kind of cigars you bin smoken
</div></div>
No kidding, was the gunshow in Eruope?? The Razors are $2000 new and a S&B 5-25 is above the 3grand line. Just saying,...</div></div>
YES
£2020 for the Razor and £1995 for the S&B 5-25
Im amazed that S&B can get me a top spec military scope for the same price Vortex manages to get their Razor HD on sale here for.
Vortex might be all the rage in the US but their international sales will fall flat on their face at this rate.
I think its because they think NF are charging more than a S&B here in the UK which means they can get away with it.
Truth is no one wants a NF and no one wants a Razor either.
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having seen a Razor at a shooting show i can tell you that once i got to the Hensoldt and S&B stand i soon forgot about the Razor.
Good effort but no cigar.
especially when the razor was the<span style="color: #FF0000"> same price as the 5-25 S&B! </span> </div></div>
What kind of cigars you bin smoken
No kidding, was the gunshow in Eruope?? The Razors are $2000 new and a S&B 5-25 is above the 3grand line. Just saying,...</div></div>
YES
£2020 for the Razor and £1995 for the S&B 5-25
Im amazed that S&B can get me a top spec military scope for the same price Vortex manages to get their Razor HD on sale here for.
Vortex might be all the rage in the US but their international sales will fall flat on their face at this rate.
I think its because they think NF are charging more than a S&B here in the UK which means they can get away with it.
Truth is no one wants a NF and no one wants a Razor either.
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glass on a NF is not amazing... Good enough but not awesome. I have a PST, Weaver Tacticals (2 of them), Elite 6500, Millet TRS-1, and had a nightforce. (sold it to buy 2 PST's.
Glass Ratings: Put them all to 15-16 power.
Weaver-NF tie leaning towards the weaver. (I said NF was not amazing, yes, but its also $1k more than all these scopes!)
Elite 6500.
PST. I have a 4-16 mounted now but have a 6-24 coming.
Millet
This is how I see all of these. I didn't read other peoples reviews to come to these conclusions. I own and use all of these.
</div></div>
You're killing me man. I'm just trying to be patient waiting for the new weaver tactical to be released. Same MSRP price as the old 4-20 version, still betting it will be around the $800 mark. With all things considered I'm not even bothering with a PST, I'm only missing a zero stop shim big deal I'll take better glass.
Flyingbullseye
Edit: scratch that, the weaver is now available at midway now for $750.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glass on a NF is not amazing... Good enough but not awesome. I have a PST, Weaver Tacticals (2 of them), Elite 6500, Millet TRS-1, and had a nightforce. (sold it to buy 2 PST's.
Glass Ratings: Put them all to 15-16 power.
Weaver-NF tie leaning towards the weaver. (I said NF was not amazing, yes, but its also $1k more than all these scopes!)
Elite 6500.
PST. I have a 4-16 mounted now but have a 6-24 coming.
Millet
This is how I see all of these. I didn't read other peoples reviews to come to these conclusions. I own and use all of these.
</div></div>
You're killing me man. I'm just trying to be patient waiting for the new weaver tactical to be released. Same MSRP price as the old 4-20 version, still betting it will be around the $800 mark. With all things considered I'm not even bothering with a PST, I'm only missing a zero stop shim big deal I'll take better glass.
Flyingbullseye
Edit: scratch that, the weaver is now available at midway now for $750.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Bullseye,
I have been talking with Weaver's technical guys over the last week or so trying to get them on board. They are working on more Mil/Mil stuff, but I'm a MOA guy. Basically told them to make a PST with their glass.... It seemed well recieved so we will see....
Bullseye,
I have been talking with Weaver's technical guys over the last week or so trying to get them on board. They are working on more Mil/Mil stuff, but I'm a MOA guy. Basically told them to make a PST with their glass.... It seemed well recieved so we will see....
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beretta_man11, which 6500 do you have? Have you compared your scopes after sunset?
beretta_man11, which 6500 do you have? Have you compared your scopes after sunset?
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
</div></div>
My thoughts exactly! lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
My thoughts exactly! lol
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I have the 4.5-30. after 24x is starts getting dark but still usable.
Most of my shooting is after work when it's getting dark. My rating are the same for daylight or dusk shooting.
I have the 4.5-30. after 24x is starts getting dark but still usable.
Most of my shooting is after work when it's getting dark. My rating are the same for daylight or dusk shooting.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
</div></div>
My thoughts exactly! lol </div></div>
Hmmm I wonder how many of those S$B's I can stick in a suitcase,LOL.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
My thoughts exactly! lol </div></div>
Hmmm I wonder how many of those S$B's I can stick in a suitcase,LOL.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glass on a NF is not amazing... Good enough but not awesome. I have a PST, Weaver Tacticals (2 of them), Elite 6500, Millet TRS-1, and had a nightforce. (sold it to buy 2 PST's.
Glass Ratings: Put them all to 15-16 power.
Weaver-NF tie leaning towards the weaver. (I said NF was not amazing, yes, but its also $1k more than all these scopes!)
Elite 6500.
PST. I have a 4-16 mounted now but have a 6-24 coming.
Millet
This is how I see all of these. I didn't read other peoples reviews to come to these conclusions. I own and use all of these.
</div></div>
You're killing me man. I'm just trying to be patient waiting for the new weaver tactical to be released. Same MSRP price as the old 4-20 version, still betting it will be around the $800 mark. With all things considered I'm not even bothering with a PST, I'm only missing a zero stop shim big deal I'll take better glass.
Flyingbullseye
Edit: scratch that, the weaver is now available at midway now for $750. </div></div>
The weaver also has a ton more elevation adjustment, I like the Power ration of 3-15 better than the 4-16 also. For $750 that is a killer deal.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glass on a NF is not amazing... Good enough but not awesome. I have a PST, Weaver Tacticals (2 of them), Elite 6500, Millet TRS-1, and had a nightforce. (sold it to buy 2 PST's.
Glass Ratings: Put them all to 15-16 power.
Weaver-NF tie leaning towards the weaver. (I said NF was not amazing, yes, but its also $1k more than all these scopes!)
Elite 6500.
PST. I have a 4-16 mounted now but have a 6-24 coming.
Millet
This is how I see all of these. I didn't read other peoples reviews to come to these conclusions. I own and use all of these.
</div></div>
You're killing me man. I'm just trying to be patient waiting for the new weaver tactical to be released. Same MSRP price as the old 4-20 version, still betting it will be around the $800 mark. With all things considered I'm not even bothering with a PST, I'm only missing a zero stop shim big deal I'll take better glass.
Flyingbullseye
Edit: scratch that, the weaver is now available at midway now for $750. </div></div>
The weaver also has a ton more elevation adjustment, I like the Power ration of 3-15 better than the 4-16 also. For $750 that is a killer deal.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You're killing me man. I'm just trying to be patient waiting for the new weaver tactical to be released. Same MSRP price as the old 4-20 version, still betting it will be around the $800 mark. With all things considered I'm not even bothering with a PST, I'm only missing a zero stop shim big deal I'll take better glass.
Flyingbullseye
Edit: scratch that, the weaver is now available at midway now for $750. </div></div>
WOW that's a deal. I'm going to move some funds around and order one. I'm thoroughly impressed with the 3-10 grand slam tactical, and liked what I saw from a 4-20 tactical with the limited time I got to play with one. FFP, Illumination, and mil/mil in a quality scope... I'll take one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You're killing me man. I'm just trying to be patient waiting for the new weaver tactical to be released. Same MSRP price as the old 4-20 version, still betting it will be around the $800 mark. With all things considered I'm not even bothering with a PST, I'm only missing a zero stop shim big deal I'll take better glass.
Flyingbullseye
Edit: scratch that, the weaver is now available at midway now for $750. </div></div>
WOW that's a deal. I'm going to move some funds around and order one. I'm thoroughly impressed with the 3-10 grand slam tactical, and liked what I saw from a 4-20 tactical with the limited time I got to play with one. FFP, Illumination, and mil/mil in a quality scope... I'll take one.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
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My thoughts exactly! lol</div></div>
i think the 14% import tax will hurt the price plus your retailers will cry like a baby to S&B as usual
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
My thoughts exactly! lol</div></div>
i think the 14% import tax will hurt the price plus your retailers will cry like a baby to S&B as usual
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
£2020 for the Razor and £1995 for the S&B 5-25
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Vortex here is roughly 40% less than that while the S&B is the same. That's the difference.
If we could get S&B for the same price as Vortex, we'd get that, believe me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
£2020 for the Razor and £1995 for the S&B 5-25
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Vortex here is roughly 40% less than that while the S&B is the same. That's the difference.
If we could get S&B for the same price as Vortex, we'd get that, believe me.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
The weaver is easily comparable to Sightron and Vortex. Really is worth a look. Just lacks a few features that I have become acustom to.
The weaver is easily comparable to Sightron and Vortex. Really is worth a look. Just lacks a few features that I have become acustom to.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weaver is easily comparable to Sightron and Vortex. Really is worth a look. Just lacks a few features that I have become acustom to. </div></div>
What features are those? The only thing it lacks to Vortex is a zero stop, which you can easily make a shim just like Vortex uses from delrin. It has many features that the Sightron doesn't, I don't think Sightron makes a FFP scope at all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weaver is easily comparable to Sightron and Vortex. Really is worth a look. Just lacks a few features that I have become acustom to. </div></div>
What features are those? The only thing it lacks to Vortex is a zero stop, which you can easily make a shim just like Vortex uses from delrin. It has many features that the Sightron doesn't, I don't think Sightron makes a FFP scope at all.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Redneck- I'd like to see some shims you have made. I need some.
Weaver does not have: Zero stops (as stated above)- Illumination (not important to some but it is to me)- Matching Reticle (mine is Mil dots/1/4 MOA knobs.)
Redneck- I'd like to see some shims you have made. I need some.
Weaver does not have: Zero stops (as stated above)- Illumination (not important to some but it is to me)- Matching Reticle (mine is Mil dots/1/4 MOA knobs.)
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=911627
Just ordered one last night, should be here early to middle of next week. While waiting for a FFP PST to turn up, I figured I'd give it a shot. According to Midway & Weaver's website, this part number is mil/mil & illuminated with the new enhanced mildot ranging reticle, so all that's missing is a zero-stop. I'll get some pics & thoughts on this scope when it arrives.
Oh, and the $50 off Hide discount came in handy on this as well!
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=911627
Just ordered one last night, should be here early to middle of next week. While waiting for a FFP PST to turn up, I figured I'd give it a shot. According to Midway & Weaver's website, this part number is mil/mil & illuminated with the new enhanced mildot ranging reticle, so all that's missing is a zero-stop. I'll get some pics & thoughts on this scope when it arrives.
Oh, and the $50 off Hide discount came in handy on this as well!
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
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My thoughts exactly! lol </div></div>
Hmmm I wonder how many of those S$B's I can stick in a suitcase,LOL. </div></div>
It might be worth the plane ticket to find out! lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fx1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When im buying a 4-16x50 S&B for around $1600 including 20% VAT(Tax) i cant see them selling many at all </div></div>
Wow!!!! Can I buy one through you?
My thoughts exactly! lol </div></div>
Hmmm I wonder how many of those S$B's I can stick in a suitcase,LOL. </div></div>
It might be worth the plane ticket to find out! lol
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggarrett1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=911627
Oh, and the $50 off Hide discount came in handy on this as well! </div></div>
There was $50 off hide discount? Damnit!!!!!!!! I ordered it yesterday and didn't know about the discount. Oh well at least I now should have a kick ass scope especially for the money.
In case anyone was wondering what the new reticle looked like take a look.
![url]](http://[url="http://www.weaveroptics.com/downloads/WO267_EMDR_Reticle_11_x_8-5.pdf"]http://www.weaveroptics.com/downloads/WO267_EMDR_Reticle_11_x_8-5.pdf[/url])
Flyingbullseye
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggarrett1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=911627
Oh, and the $50 off Hide discount came in handy on this as well! </div></div>
There was $50 off hide discount? Damnit!!!!!!!! I ordered it yesterday and didn't know about the discount. Oh well at least I now should have a kick ass scope especially for the money.
In case anyone was wondering what the new reticle looked like take a look.
Flyingbullseye
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Here ya go Flyingbullseye... they just went active last night @ midnight.
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2323678&gonew=1#UNREAD
I'm curious to check the reticle out when it gets here. Will post up some pics when I get it mounted up, probably in its own thread.
Here ya go Flyingbullseye... they just went active last night @ midnight.
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2323678&gonew=1#UNREAD
I'm curious to check the reticle out when it gets here. Will post up some pics when I get it mounted up, probably in its own thread.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Redneck- I'd like to see some shims you have made. I need some.
Weaver does not have: Zero stops (as stated above)- Illumination (not important to some but it is to me)- Matching Reticle (mine is Mil dots/1/4 MOA knobs.) </div></div>
I don't have pics as I don;t have a scope with them made right now but I used the writeup somebody else made a while ago to make them for a few scopes. You just use delrin plastic and its fairly easy.
Your mistaken about the weaver tactical, the new model is mil/mil, and illuminated. Follow this link:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=911627
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Redneck- I'd like to see some shims you have made. I need some.
Weaver does not have: Zero stops (as stated above)- Illumination (not important to some but it is to me)- Matching Reticle (mine is Mil dots/1/4 MOA knobs.) </div></div>
I don't have pics as I don;t have a scope with them made right now but I used the writeup somebody else made a while ago to make them for a few scopes. You just use delrin plastic and its fairly easy.
Your mistaken about the weaver tactical, the new model is mil/mil, and illuminated. Follow this link:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=911627
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggarrett1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here ya go Flyingbullseye... they just went active last night @ midnight.
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2323678&gonew=1#UNREAD
I'm curious to check the reticle out when it gets here. Will post up some pics when I get it mounted up, probably in its own thread.
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A day late and $50 short. Can't do anything now its already shipped. Still a better deal than the PST and will get it months sooner.
Flyingbullseye
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggarrett1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here ya go Flyingbullseye... they just went active last night @ midnight.
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2323678&gonew=1#UNREAD
I'm curious to check the reticle out when it gets here. Will post up some pics when I get it mounted up, probably in its own thread.
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A day late and $50 short. Can't do anything now its already shipped. Still a better deal than the PST and will get it months sooner.
Flyingbullseye
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A day late and $50 short. Can't do anything now its already shipped. Still a better deal than the PST and will get it months sooner.
Flyingbullseye </div></div>
From what I've seen from both it will be a better product too.
Japan > Phillipines
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A day late and $50 short. Can't do anything now its already shipped. Still a better deal than the PST and will get it months sooner.
Flyingbullseye </div></div>
From what I've seen from both it will be a better product too.
Japan > Phillipines
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
I hope you're right on that redneckbmxer... I'm thinking it will be a great little scope. I'm going to search back for the thread on delrin zero-stops & make one for this as well when it gets in.
Flyingbullseye, sorry you missed out on the discount... the Weaver definitely seems to be the better deal right now, assuming it is as advertised & as good as some of the reviews I've seen on the older Weavers. Plus being able to get it right now sure helps... Hope you enjoy yours when it gets there!
I hope you're right on that redneckbmxer... I'm thinking it will be a great little scope. I'm going to search back for the thread on delrin zero-stops & make one for this as well when it gets in.
Flyingbullseye, sorry you missed out on the discount... the Weaver definitely seems to be the better deal right now, assuming it is as advertised & as good as some of the reviews I've seen on the older Weavers. Plus being able to get it right now sure helps... Hope you enjoy yours when it gets there!
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
Redneck-You are correct. They are just now coming out with Mil/Mil but.... I like MOA just fine so therefore would like the reticule to match the MOA turrets they have on *some* of their models.
if someone finds that delrin thread, please send me a link!
Redneck-You are correct. They are just now coming out with Mil/Mil but.... I like MOA just fine so therefore would like the reticule to match the MOA turrets they have on *some* of their models.
if someone finds that delrin thread, please send me a link!
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
berettaman, it was 308newb on here who was doing the homemade zero stops. Can't seem to find the actual thread on here, but if Redneck has made them perhaps he could help us out. I remember the original thread & it seemed fairly simple to do, but IIRC Nightforce was threatening to void warranties if they found retuned (damaged) scopes were used with these homemade stops.
Still searching for the original thread...
berettaman, it was 308newb on here who was doing the homemade zero stops. Can't seem to find the actual thread on here, but if Redneck has made them perhaps he could help us out. I remember the original thread & it seemed fairly simple to do, but IIRC Nightforce was threatening to void warranties if they found retuned (damaged) scopes were used with these homemade stops.
Still searching for the original thread...
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Redneck-You are correct. They are just now coming out with Mil/Mil but.... I like MOA just fine so therefore would like the reticule to match the MOA turrets they have on *some* of their models.
if someone finds that delrin thread, please send me a link! </div></div>
I'm not sure why everybody gets wrapped up in MOA knobs thinking there is some sort of math involved with them when they use a mil reticle that if anything math is involved with. If you can use a mil reticle you can use mil knobs no problem. All your doing with the knobs is dialing what a ballistic program or ballistic card is telling you, or dialing what you see from your reticle so it doesn't matter if their in mils. Just get the mil model and rock on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggarrett1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">berettaman, it was 308newb on here who was doing the homemade zero stops. Can't seem to find the actual thread on here, but if Redneck has made them perhaps he could help us out. I remember the original thread & it seemed fairly simple to do, but IIRC Nightforce was threatening to void warranties if they found retuned (damaged) scopes were used with these homemade stops.
Still searching for the original thread... </div></div>
Sorry but I don't recall 100% off the top of my head but I got a section of delrin plastic rod with a diameter just slightly smaller than the inside of the turret, I had to drill the center out to fit around where the center sticks out and then I cut it down until the knob stopped close to where I wanted it. It's hard to make it perfect with this type of zero stop but it's that same thing the PST's come with and does work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Redneck-You are correct. They are just now coming out with Mil/Mil but.... I like MOA just fine so therefore would like the reticule to match the MOA turrets they have on *some* of their models.
if someone finds that delrin thread, please send me a link! </div></div>
I'm not sure why everybody gets wrapped up in MOA knobs thinking there is some sort of math involved with them when they use a mil reticle that if anything math is involved with. If you can use a mil reticle you can use mil knobs no problem. All your doing with the knobs is dialing what a ballistic program or ballistic card is telling you, or dialing what you see from your reticle so it doesn't matter if their in mils. Just get the mil model and rock on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggarrett1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">berettaman, it was 308newb on here who was doing the homemade zero stops. Can't seem to find the actual thread on here, but if Redneck has made them perhaps he could help us out. I remember the original thread & it seemed fairly simple to do, but IIRC Nightforce was threatening to void warranties if they found retuned (damaged) scopes were used with these homemade stops.
Still searching for the original thread... </div></div>
Sorry but I don't recall 100% off the top of my head but I got a section of delrin plastic rod with a diameter just slightly smaller than the inside of the turret, I had to drill the center out to fit around where the center sticks out and then I cut it down until the knob stopped close to where I wanted it. It's hard to make it perfect with this type of zero stop but it's that same thing the PST's come with and does work.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
He's not talking about the moa knobs and any type of math but referring to a moa/moa setup as his preference.
Flyingbullseye
He's not talking about the moa knobs and any type of math but referring to a moa/moa setup as his preference.
Flyingbullseye
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He's not talking about the moa knobs and any type of math but referring to a moa/moa setup as his preference.
Flyingbullseye </div></div>
I can guarantee you thats his thinking into not wanting mil knobs. He's already using a mil reticle which is over half way there. Going with mil knobs with it will only make things easier and won't change a thing except for whats written on his ballistic cards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He's not talking about the moa knobs and any type of math but referring to a moa/moa setup as his preference.
Flyingbullseye </div></div>
I can guarantee you thats his thinking into not wanting mil knobs. He's already using a mil reticle which is over half way there. Going with mil knobs with it will only make things easier and won't change a thing except for whats written on his ballistic cards.
Re: Vortex compared to other scopes
No, it's a MOA/MOA setup. It also depends on how you've memorized your drops. If you've memorized it all in inches, then you're field calculating it and then it's not simply reading it off a card.
No, it's a MOA/MOA setup. It also depends on how you've memorized your drops. If you've memorized it all in inches, then you're field calculating it and then it's not simply reading it off a card.
