Watching them age...

dlc356

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Our 9yo red Doberman, Cayenne, had an accident a couple nights ago. I could tell it really bothered her, especially since she's been house broken for ever and a half. The thing that caught my attention was that the puddle was clear and had no odor. A little while later, in bed, I put my arm down and felt a cold wet spot. It had happened again. This is extremely out of the ordinary for her. I told her to "go lay down" and she jumped off the bed and went to her blanket on the floor.

The next day I took her to the vet to make sure she didn't have a kidney infection or similar. They said the muscles that female dogs use to 'hold it' weaken over time. Apparently when they're spayed it doesn't help either. The accidents had happened while she was lying down which further reinforces the Vet's diagnosis.

End result is pills for incontinence (1/day for 5 days, 1 every other day for 5 days, 1 every third day for ever). It seems that just in the last month or so the hair on her face has started to gray. It's hard to watch them age when there's nothing you can do for them.

Tonight, we were watching t.v. and she was laying on the floor in front of the couch. When she got up I noticed it had happened again. She put her head down and went out the dog door. No one yelled at her but you could tell she was upset. Not really asking for advice, just needed to vent a little. "Nub" is one of the greatest dogs I've ever had the privilege of owning/living with and my buddy. I just wish I could help her.

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you can tell she didnt mean to... its hard. go to the goodwill, buy a bunch of old towels. let her sleep on those. for the time being it will make stuff easier for you. its hard man, i know. when i went thru it, my gramps was failing too. same symptoms eventually hit him. love her lots, she is a good looking dog
 
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Yeah. Just get her some old towels, and one of Your old T shirts to sleep on. Having Your smell on the shirt will help ease her anxiety.

I had the good fortune of my last dog to live 17 years. He was a cool old dude, and it was worth the trouble many times over taking care of him. Miss the old guy.
 
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It's definitely hard, and sadly, it's part of aging. My hat off to you for keeping your cool and not yelling at her, I'm sure it's frustating for both of you. It's obviously something that she can't help because she's ashamed of it as well. As others said, just get her an old shirt or towel to sleep on. Whenever you're sweaty or hot, wipe off with it, she'll love it. I know it's hard, but just hang in there. Just keep on loving her, and as long as you're doing that, you're doing right. She's a BEAUTIFUL dog, and sounds like a wonderful friend. Hang in there for your friend, she loves ya.
 
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I feel for you too. Glad you have kept your cool.
Aging really stinks. Not only for dogs but for us humans too.
My last dog was a border collie that I got while stationed in England. Had her for 16 years. Her health started fading at 15, and while home on mid-tour from Korea, I told the wife that we should consider having her put down.
She was totally blind, had gone stone deaf and the joint pain she had was so bad she would pee herself every time she tried to get up. The only walking she would do is to go outside to do her business and to lay in the sun for a few minutes. Over the next six months, she just got worse and the POS wife wouldn't call the vet. I ended up calling the vet the day after I got home from Korea. I couldn't take watching the poor girl suffer like that.
Good thing is that your pups problem is controllable. Do like Mac said and keep the sweaty t-shirt on her bed. It really does make them feel more comfortable. Never lose your cool with them, because you will re-live those moments for the rest of your life. Cayenne knows she is not supposed to pee in the house, she shows you that when it happens. Keep ypur wits and make sure she gets her meds on time. She should return to her old self and both of you will be happier.
Good luck and let us know how it turned out. BTW, the POS wife ended up becoming my POS EX-wife last August.
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I feel your pain, bro. My old heeler has more and more bad days, fighting shoulder problems. He's 10 this year, I don't think he'll make many more. He still has plenty of enjoyment in his life, but I know he hurts and it's not right to be greedy and make him suffer. It's a tough road, but we've all been there.
 
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Dave,

My Red female is on the same pills, has been ever since she was young (after spaying). It sucks, but what can we do? Sad thing is, we've had to relegate her to the garage and don't let her in the main part of the house anymore b/c even with the pills she still leeks sometimes. My female is about 9 as well, my male is 12 and is showing his age as well...
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Dave,

I'm new to Dobermans and our pup Maxine is just 7 months and now almost completely housebroken
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The other day my wife was fooling around with the Predator mask and scared little Maxi so badly she peed! The only one who got yelled at was Mrs. Q!(I considered spanking her too (Mrs. Q) but the girls were home at the time!
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Sorry about Cayenne but she has a good master! You'll manage and she'll still be your good girl.

BTW,

I remember thinking Cayenne must have been freezing the day you took that photo. No way she leaked on that day if my Maxi's intolerance to cold is a yard stick.

Good luck and many more years with your Dobie.
 
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My 12 year old mutt, Moxie, started occasionally having incontinence problems about 6 years ago. It was like a once-every-3-months type thing. When I got married, I had to leave her at Mom and Dad's. They've told me recently that it's starting to get worse, but the vet said basically the same thing about older females, especially spayed females, developing those issues. She's not in any pain (thankfully), and the episodes are still pretty sparse. I'm gonna hate it when <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> day comes though.
 
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Beat me to it Shankster.
http://www.seniorpetproducts.com/catalog/dog-diapers-c251.html
Easy to take care of, and could be worse. You can also start to regulate her water intake (not reduce) to certain times of the day so you can time here need to pee. You have more time with her so give that a shot. Make all the time you have with her the best you can as you never know when your time is up.
 
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Thanks for all the kind words. We're only on the third day of the meds. They seem to be working so far. The one little accident yesterday and none today. She still acts like she always did. Hopping when we come in from work, the range, wherever. Her 'nub' still wags so hard her whole butt shakes etc. Hopefully the meds will keep it under control.

She's always slept on the bed in between my wife and I. Eventually she'd move to the foot of the bed sometime in the night and back next to me in the morning. Wherever she went in the bed she'd drag this old Scooby Doo blanket with her. When we put it in the laundry she walks around and looks for it until it comes out of the dryer. Anyway, we put her blanket on the floor next to the bed and she's content there along with a couple tee shirts. It's not as good as the bed but she's close enough she seems happy.

I had a beer or twelve last night and got up to take a leak. The lights were off and so I had to feel my way through the room with my feet. Between Cayenne and Pita (the Great Dane) I think there's about 3-5 sq ft. of floor left... I just knew I was going to fall, make a metric shit ton of noise, and wake everybody up. Luckily, I made it with out stepping on anyone.
 
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Petco, and Petsmart both have the doggie 'depends'.
dlc, keep the cell next to the bed, hit the button for a small amount of light to keep off the dog legs
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We been working on our master bath(a useless shoebox sized take a dump and too small shower). The three switches for both lights and the fan have had lit switches installed, makes for easy night vision with the green lit clippers charger light off the mirror to see where to go in the middle of the night when that rain just wakes ya up, then DAMMIT, now I got ta pee
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LOL, thanks Switchblade. Normally my cell is next to the bed (it's amazing how bright they are really). In my condition I managed to leave it in the den. When I got up, I was half way across the room w/one foot on either side of the sleeping Dane when I realized I couldn't see a damn thing. I even felt the MagLight next to the bed when I checked for my phone and left it there before getting up...

We're still doing good so I don't think we need any 'doggie Depends' yet. I'm not sure how long they'd last anyway. She stepped on a piece of glass once and the vet said due to the location of the cut stitches were out of the question. All we could do was put a piece of gauze on the pad and wrap it really well with a bandage. Unless you could sit there with her and say, "No, leave it alone." the bandage didn't last 10sec. I'm afraid she'd also have to wear a lamp shade collar to keep the depends on her.
 
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Those collars are tough for the dogs to navigate with! We ( Maxine and ourselves
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ELke (Our GSD) had a tumor removed from her right rear paw three years ago and would not leave the bandage alone. She had that friggin collar on for two weeks and was bonking in to everything. She was pitiful. Thank God the vet got all of that growth and it hasn't returned.

Elke is taking less and less crap from Maxi now as she progressively leaves puppyhood behind. As Maxi gets older, Elke appears to be counting the days when she no longer has to hold back with her.
 
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Is is amazing how you get attached to Animals. Just lost my dog of 13 yrs. I had more feeling for that dog, than I do for most humans. He will be missed. All I can say is enjoy the time you have left.

Semper Fi
 
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Just an update:

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">NO accidents</span></span> since starting the meds. Unlike Willie, I just open her mouth (like the old lion tamer trick) and toss the pill in the back of her throat and she swallows it. The biggest adjustment was getting her used to sleeping on the floor. She whined a bit for the first night or two but decided it's pretty cool down there hanging w/Pita.

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Apparently, it doesn't hurt when you have your own CA King comforter too
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Now if I could just figure out how to add some floor space to the bedroom I'd be in business.
 
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sorry to hear that about your dobi but you can tell in the pics that both you pups are very happy and thats all that counts man im rootin for her for no more accidents

on another note i didnt think there would be so many dog lovers on here its awesome
 
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I went through a few similar things a few years ago and finally decided to move the dogs out to the garage after a few too many accidents (mostly barfing - grass and deer poo - apparently it goes down good but comes up later).

I think they actually like being outside at night - they have a dog door and I have a heated bed for the cold nights. Fortunately, they aren't barkers. The puppy (well big young doofus - not really a puppy anymore) is in his crate at night - he'd cause too much trouble otherwise.
 
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I would end up replacing all the flooring in my house before I relegate them to being outside dogs. They are a part of our family and we will take on any issues they have. They will stay inside and continue to be with us.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 5Redman8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would end up replacing all the flooring in my house before I relegate them to being outside dogs. They are a part of our family and we will take on any issues they have. They will stay inside and continue to be with us.

Kyle </div></div>

thats how i feel i was so worried about my girl two months ago when we were at the hospital giving birth to our first born, she had never been out side by her self for the whole night those were the worst few days i have had as far as sleep going form the hospital to the house to make sure she was ok. She made it tho and now she has a little brother to slobber up from time to time. its funny cause we call her our dogter LOLZ
 
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Glad to hear things are going good with your dog. Watching dogs struggle is hard because they dont shit on you like people or even some peoples own kids. They know what brand they ride for. Great looking dog by the way, love them dobes.
 
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There is a disorder that a dog can get that causes this also - and they do have a pill for it -

I have a cat that is hilarious, funny, trained, and she's starting to get a few years on her - and I feed her too m uch because she cries if I do not - and that is going to take a few years off her life (She's 24lbs now)...

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Just thought I'd post an update.

Cayenne is still 'drip free' after starting the meds. Not sure of the name but the bottle says "DES". Pita, the (12yo) Dane, was having similar issues so we started her on it too and it seems to be working. After the initial everyday stuff the bottle lasts for what seems like forever. Rough cost is about $20/mo. and IMO, well worth it. She doesn't have that guilty look anymore which was heartbreaking because she couldn't control it. I'm pumped!!! I've got my buddy back and she's like she always was... Happy to see you, playful, etc. If you have an older, fixed female dog with incontinence... Talk to your vet and get her started on this stuff. It works!!!