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Rifle Scopes Weaver tactical

Re: Weaver tactical

Haven't seen them yet, but based only on listed specifications, they got it right with FFP; they priced it right for a mid range FFP tactical scope. The 5x zoom range is again very nice for the $.

Then got it wrong by mismatching a Mildot Reticle with MOA (actually IPHY) turrets. Somehow their marketing folks think most american shooters like Mildot turrets and MOA adjustments. By golly if it was good enough in 1983, its good enough in 2009.

It's almost like nobody at these companies really uses their stuff for what it is supposed to be designed for. It does not take much range practice to come to the realization that; Hey, Reticle measures in Mils, why not have the turret adjust in Mils also??? Or hey, we just spent upteen dollars designing a new FFP scope with IPHY turrets, maybe we should design a reticle that measures the same way???? No......




 
Re: Weaver tactical

Don't be too harsh. The idea of scopes with matching reticles and adjustments is relatively new, and some people haven't caught up yet.

A few years ago - fewer than you would believe - a <span style="font-style: italic">really</span> HSLD U.S. military outfit ordered S&B scopes with Horus reticles and MOA adjustments. S&B made them, probably with the engineers laughing all the way to the bank.

And there are still the ignorant who think that if you get milliradian adjustments, you have to range in meters.

In a few years, no one will make a graduated reticle scope whose adjustments don't match the reticle.

It took several <span style="text-decoration: underline">years</span> of badgering by shooters and market forces for Nightforce to realize that yes, there <span style="font-weight: bold">is</span> a market for FFP scopes, and Leupold, which has made scopes with mil reticles for many years, still hasn't produced a scope with 0.1 mil adjustments, although they have promised them, and only recently produced FFP scopes.

Things move more slowly than we'd like.
 
Re: Weaver tactical

Come'on, nothing wrong with a bit of mismatch reticle and adjustments. 2MIL is the same as .. ~7MOA, see I just did that in my head haha.

It's like computer keyboard design. I never understood why the letters on keyboards are scattered all random. The engineer must've been pretty high when putting the keys together. "Hey, lets put the letter "W" next to "E", so nobody'll be able to find it"

Life is a joke.
 
Re: Weaver tactical

The QWERTY keyboard was designed that way when the first typewriter was invented. Apparently, if the keys were laid out in alphabetical order, the typist was able to type faster than the manual machine could keep up. (or so I've heard, don't take it for gospel)

Thanks for the replies. I was so excited to see another FFP scope by a reputable manufacter that I did not notice the mismatched reticle/turrets.
 
Re: Weaver tactical

the reason the keys are all scattered on a key board goes back to the early day's of the manual type writer. they started out with the keys in alphabetic order but people would type so fast that they would jam the things up. the solution to this was to make the key board LESS efficient in order to slow down how fast a person could type. the only reason we still use it that way is because it's what everyone is used to.
 
Re: Weaver tactical

IMHO, having bought into my first mil/mil in the last year... I sold the others and I won't ever go back. If it doesn't match, it's not going in my safe. Not everyone feels it's a value added feature, and not everyone understands how to use it... heck, I still screw up and adjust for moa sometimes when my brain shuts down. I'm retraining myself for it, and I can't see going back to the jumbled mess of before, but I understand why it still exists. Lindy is spot on there, as always (big surprise, I know).

Just my .02, YMMV. Personally, I take comfort in being able to range it out, and dial it, without much math should my LRF take a crap on me when it's least convenient. Not like i'm at war or anything, but it's still enough to mess up your range day.
 
Re: Weaver tactical

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't be too harsh. The idea of scopes with matching reticles and adjustments is relatively new, and some people haven't caught up yet.

A few years ago - fewer than you would believe - a <span style="font-style: italic">really</span> HSLD U.S. military outfit ordered S&B scopes with Horus reticles and MOA adjustments. S&B made them, probably with the engineers laughing all the way to the bank.

And there are still the ignorant who think that if you get milliradian adjustments, you have to range in meters.

In a few years, no one will make a graduated reticle scope whose adjustments don't match the reticle.

It took several <span style="text-decoration: underline">years</span> of badgering by shooters and market forces for Nightforce to realize that yes, there <span style="font-weight: bold">is</span> a market for FFP scopes, and Leupold, which has made scopes with mil reticles for many years, still hasn't produced a scope with 0.1 mil adjustments, although they have promised them, and only recently produced FFP scopes.

Things move more slowly than we'd like.
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Lindy,

Your right, I was being too harsh. And I agree with everything you've said, except one small point.

Leupold has produced a 30mm scope line with 1 cm @ 100m adjustments (which is of course the same as 0.1 mils @ 100 yds) for at least 6-7 or so years if not more. That line is called European-30 line. And it's adjustments have always been metric orientated at 1 cm @ 100M, to appeal to that market.

But as per usual, Leupold left hand ain't talking to it's right hand, and they just lurch along.

But thanks for your comments, spot on as usual.

Bob