Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
about the same
however mcm has edge technology that can probably get you to 2lbs
manners mcs-t can also me had at 2.1lbs witht he carbon fiber fill
both can build a stock to weigh about any weight you want, i would guess 1.5 to 2lbs would be ablsolute lightest
however saying all that, i would get the manners over the htg, its 3x the stock that the htg is to me, the higher comb is really nice and i like the grip better, get todd to give it a kiss ass paint job and your set
about the same
however mcm has edge technology that can probably get you to 2lbs
manners mcs-t can also me had at 2.1lbs witht he carbon fiber fill
both can build a stock to weigh about any weight you want, i would guess 1.5 to 2lbs would be ablsolute lightest
however saying all that, i would get the manners over the htg, its 3x the stock that the htg is to me, the higher comb is really nice and i like the grip better, get todd to give it a kiss ass paint job and your set
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Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
I was leaning toward the Manners on this because I have yet to use one of their stocks and have heard great things about their stuff. And since I might be going with the Surgeon action and not the quasi-M40A1 Remy/McMillan build I had originally intended, Manners keeps catching my eye.
...And I really like some of their finishes better than that of McMillan. Especially the tiger stripe.
I was leaning toward the Manners on this because I have yet to use one of their stocks and have heard great things about their stuff. And since I might be going with the Surgeon action and not the quasi-M40A1 Remy/McMillan build I had originally intended, Manners keeps catching my eye.
...And I really like some of their finishes better than that of McMillan. Especially the tiger stripe.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
If Manners did molded in colors like MCM, I would use them over MCM. Im just a sucker for the molded in colors because they dont fade, crack, scratch or weaken when bore solvent spills on them.
If Manners did molded in colors like MCM, I would use them over MCM. Im just a sucker for the molded in colors because they dont fade, crack, scratch or weaken when bore solvent spills on them.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
I have owned two htgs with edge and now own three Mcst with ultra, other than molded colors the manners does it for me and Toms customer service is of the highest level. My stocks come in at 2.1 and 2.2 due to barrel contour differences.
I have owned two htgs with edge and now own three Mcst with ultra, other than molded colors the manners does it for me and Toms customer service is of the highest level. My stocks come in at 2.1 and 2.2 due to barrel contour differences.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
McM HTG w/ Edge technology is about 27 ounces. Around 36 ounces for a standard HTG.
I prefer the McM A1-3 and think that is more similar to the MCS-T. My A1-3 Edge weighs 27 oz with a Limbsaver pad, 13.5" lop and light palma barrel channel.
McM HTG w/ Edge technology is about 27 ounces. Around 36 ounces for a standard HTG.
I prefer the McM A1-3 and think that is more similar to the MCS-T. My A1-3 Edge weighs 27 oz with a Limbsaver pad, 13.5" lop and light palma barrel channel.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McM HTG w/ Edge technology is about 27 ounces. Around 36 ounces for a standard HTG.
I prefer the McM A1-3 and think that is more similar to the MCS-T. My A1-3 Edge weighs 27 oz with a Limbsaver pad, 13.5" lop and light palma barrel channel. </div></div>
Is molded-in colors still an option with McM when a tactical stock is built with Edge technology?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McM HTG w/ Edge technology is about 27 ounces. Around 36 ounces for a standard HTG.
I prefer the McM A1-3 and think that is more similar to the MCS-T. My A1-3 Edge weighs 27 oz with a Limbsaver pad, 13.5" lop and light palma barrel channel. </div></div>
Is molded-in colors still an option with McM when a tactical stock is built with Edge technology?
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rm76</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is molded-in colors still an option with McM when a tactical stock is built with Edge technology?</div></div>
No
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rm76</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is molded-in colors still an option with McM when a tactical stock is built with Edge technology?</div></div>
No
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rm76</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is molded-in colors still an option with McM when a tactical stock is built with Edge technology?</div></div>
No </div></div>
+1 Molded in is NOT an option: gotta paint it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rm76</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is molded-in colors still an option with McM when a tactical stock is built with Edge technology?</div></div>
No </div></div>
+1 Molded in is NOT an option: gotta paint it.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
Guys, from a technical standpoint, molded in colors are possible with any of the mentioned stocks. They're not made with rocket science type composite materials. However, molding in colors does add weight, & thus is at cross purposes if one is building a stock to be as light as possible. IIRC, molded in colors via gelcoat like McMillan uses adds about 1/4lb to the stock when compared to a painted version.
The weight addition to a stock made with epoxy resins instead of standard fiberglass ones would be similar.
There are other ways of adding colors & keeping the weight down, even with stocks made primarily of carbon fiber, but they get semi-technical. BTW, there are other composites out there which rival or exceed carbon fiber in terms of strength, including ones not having carbon's Achilles Heel(s). However, I'm not up for writing a dissertation this morning. But there's plenty of info out there on how things are made using composites, including the use of colors. If, that is, you really want to know what's possible, technically, strength wise, & other optional materials perks, from a "how to" stand point, when building with composites.
Guys, from a technical standpoint, molded in colors are possible with any of the mentioned stocks. They're not made with rocket science type composite materials. However, molding in colors does add weight, & thus is at cross purposes if one is building a stock to be as light as possible. IIRC, molded in colors via gelcoat like McMillan uses adds about 1/4lb to the stock when compared to a painted version.
The weight addition to a stock made with epoxy resins instead of standard fiberglass ones would be similar.
There are other ways of adding colors & keeping the weight down, even with stocks made primarily of carbon fiber, but they get semi-technical. BTW, there are other composites out there which rival or exceed carbon fiber in terms of strength, including ones not having carbon's Achilles Heel(s). However, I'm not up for writing a dissertation this morning. But there's plenty of info out there on how things are made using composites, including the use of colors. If, that is, you really want to know what's possible, technically, strength wise, & other optional materials perks, from a "how to" stand point, when building with composites.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
Hmmm, well McM says molded in is not an option with their Edge stocks. So, you'll have to convince them to change that policy.
Hmmm, well McM says molded in is not an option with their Edge stocks. So, you'll have to convince them to change that policy.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
Painting is easy! I have a McMillan A5 edge on my GAP TIS-you have to hold it in your hands to believe how light it is-yet so STIFF.
Painting is easy! I have a McMillan A5 edge on my GAP TIS-you have to hold it in your hands to believe how light it is-yet so STIFF.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Painting is easy! I have a McMillan A5 edge on my GAP TIS-you have to hold it in your hands to believe how light it is-yet so STIFF. </div></div>
It's not as stiff as the traditional fiberglass stock. You can easily squeeze the barrel and end of the stock between your thumb and forefinger and make them touch....it ain't the barrel that's bending.
That said, it's stiff enough for my work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Painting is easy! I have a McMillan A5 edge on my GAP TIS-you have to hold it in your hands to believe how light it is-yet so STIFF. </div></div>
It's not as stiff as the traditional fiberglass stock. You can easily squeeze the barrel and end of the stock between your thumb and forefinger and make them touch....it ain't the barrel that's bending.
Re: Weight comparison in comperable Manners/McM models
Hold the phone here guys - on a McM stock, moulded in color does NOT add weight over a "painter" from McM. The amount and type of resin used in the shell is the same whether they use a single color (or no color in the case of a painter) or multiple colors for camo or swirl. Also, the glass fiber sheets for the shell is the same whether it is painter or a moulded in camo.
Additionally, moulded in camo versus a painter has absolutely no impact on the fills that go in the stock, another determining factor in the end weight.
If you don't go for the EDGE option from McM, which BTW applies to the shell only, then your painter has the potential to weigh MORE than a moulded in camo as the shell has to have paint added over the top to give the stock its color. Splitting hairs yes as paint does not add much weight, but again let's be clear on moulded in versus single color versus painter - no real difference in the weight.
Regarding fill, McM will do the fill to your specs but also taking into account the intended use of the stock, the chambering, the way the action it will be inletted for applies its recoil to the stock, and what attachments will be made to the stock. They can make it light, but if you spec it for a 338LM versus a 270, both in a remmy inlet long action, the 338LM stock will weigh more as they will apply more heavy fill to the action area for the additional recoil of the 338.
Another place where weight goes up is attachments - handstop rails, adjustable cheek pieces, adjustable butt plates. McM wants the stock to break somewhere else than the attachment points, and also the LAST place they want it to break is the wrist. So, an EDGE BR stock trying to make light BR class that spends its life in a case or sitting on bench bags will not have the same wrist fill as a field use stock.
The bottom line is, if you want a light stock from McM with moulded in camo, just give them the normal info - action, chambering, contour, attachments - and tell them make it as light as they can for field use - and they'll do it. It all comes down to the fill.
Hold the phone here guys - on a McM stock, moulded in color does NOT add weight over a "painter" from McM. The amount and type of resin used in the shell is the same whether they use a single color (or no color in the case of a painter) or multiple colors for camo or swirl. Also, the glass fiber sheets for the shell is the same whether it is painter or a moulded in camo.
Additionally, moulded in camo versus a painter has absolutely no impact on the fills that go in the stock, another determining factor in the end weight.
If you don't go for the EDGE option from McM, which BTW applies to the shell only, then your painter has the potential to weigh MORE than a moulded in camo as the shell has to have paint added over the top to give the stock its color. Splitting hairs yes as paint does not add much weight, but again let's be clear on moulded in versus single color versus painter - no real difference in the weight.
Regarding fill, McM will do the fill to your specs but also taking into account the intended use of the stock, the chambering, the way the action it will be inletted for applies its recoil to the stock, and what attachments will be made to the stock. They can make it light, but if you spec it for a 338LM versus a 270, both in a remmy inlet long action, the 338LM stock will weigh more as they will apply more heavy fill to the action area for the additional recoil of the 338.
Another place where weight goes up is attachments - handstop rails, adjustable cheek pieces, adjustable butt plates. McM wants the stock to break somewhere else than the attachment points, and also the LAST place they want it to break is the wrist. So, an EDGE BR stock trying to make light BR class that spends its life in a case or sitting on bench bags will not have the same wrist fill as a field use stock.
The bottom line is, if you want a light stock from McM with moulded in camo, just give them the normal info - action, chambering, contour, attachments - and tell them make it as light as they can for field use - and they'll do it. It all comes down to the fill.
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